Just thinking what would the threads be like if they had chosen 8 ball, 9 ball
or 10 ball instead of BB?
or 10 ball instead of BB?
Poll: Bonus Ball: More Support Playing 8, 9, Or 10 Ball?
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Since they invented the game, doesn't that stop anyone from creating a cheaper version of what they do and being in direct competition with them? I watch mixed martial arts when I am searching through the channels and if it wasn't for the boxing ring/octagon, I wouldn't know or care which organization was sanctioning it. If it's a good fight, I watch, if it ain't, on to the next channel.
Since they invented the game, doesn't that stop anyone from creating a cheaper version of what they do and being in direct competition with them? I watch mixed martial arts when I am searching through the channels and if it wasn't for the boxing ring/octagon, I wouldn't know or care which organization was sanctioning it. If it's a good fight, I watch, if it ain't, on to the next channel.
No way of knowing for sure, but I imagine much more supportive.....at least according to the poll results.
J
The first time I introduced Bonus Ball to league players was by having an eight ball regular season first! We had over 100 players and added $10K to the pot! When the play-offs began, we introduced Bonus Ball to the players. they played three different sets in their races. The first set was race to 7 in eight ball, race to 5 in Bonus Ball and then the final set was nine ball. The total race was to 15. So if the players were at 7-5 for example, they played nine ball until someone hit 15.
Im not going to lie, this is how I would have structured the WPBL if I was the commissioner. Something like this anyhow. I suggested it but it fell on deaf ears. After the amateur play-offs, nobody had anything bad but all good things to say about Bonus Ball. The next season, we went to all Bonus Ball. Mostly all the best players in Winnipeg came out to play. The lower level players did not play. Some did And they had fun, many visits but they did not win a lot of matches. Still in Winnipeg, some players would not give it a chance! Now that has changed. They have seen the professional players playing it. They saw Berry McLean, Shannon Ducharme and Jerrod Spence all playing Bonus Ball as team. Those are probably as good of an amateur team as you would find. It takes time to launch anything and Bonus Ball is going to increase it's market slowly, one day at a time!
Bonus Ball is not a fringe game. It is a well structured and designed game for television and top players. Will it survive by itself? Only if it is entertaining. I will buy a ticket to the TAR match simply because I want to support Justin and the two pro's that are going to benefit from my ticket purchase. I'm starving to watch top notch pool and Darren and Shane are as good as it gets. Does not matter to me what game you support. I play them all and they all make me a better player. The cost of a ticket is a very inexpensive lesson on how to improve your game. Bonus Ball will absolutely improve your game but more so when you play it. Have a Happy New Year everyone!
Im not going to lie, this is how I would have structured the WPBL if I was the commissioner. Something like this anyhow. I suggested it but it fell on deaf ears. After the amateur play-offs, nobody had anything bad but all good things to say about Bonus Ball. The next season, we went to all Bonus Ball. Mostly all the best players in Winnipeg came out to play. The lower level players did not play. Some did And they had fun, many visits but they did not win a lot of matches. Still in Winnipeg, some players would not give it a chance! Now that has changed. They have seen the professional players playing it. They saw Berry McLean, Shannon Ducharme and Jerrod Spence all playing Bonus Ball as team. Those are probably as good of an amateur team as you would find. It takes time to launch anything and Bonus Ball is going to increase it's market slowly, one day at a time!
Bonus Ball is not a fringe game. It is a well structured and designed game for television and top players. Will it survive by itself? Only if it is entertaining. I will buy a ticket to the TAR match simply because I want to support Justin and the two pro's that are going to benefit from my ticket purchase. I'm starving to watch top notch pool and Darren and Shane are as good as it gets. Does not matter to me what game you support. I play them all and they all make me a better player. The cost of a ticket is a very inexpensive lesson on how to improve your game. Bonus Ball will absolutely improve your game but more so when you play it. Have a Happy New Year everyone!
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Here's the thing I question about it, will people take the time to learn the game? I just can't see anyone being a fan without completely understanding whats going on, and how many will lose interest before watching enough to learn it? I think this is a more accurate poll of what game they like to play.
Yes. IMO 8 ball is the most popular game of pool played in leagues, bars, and recreational type facilities.
That is a very interesting question. Here is my thoughts on the matter. I first started off playing eight ball. I owned a cue and I learned how to pot balls, i then started cutting balls. I progressed to my first bank shot and someone showed me how to carom balls into pockets. All the tables that I played on had six pockets and i used the cue ball to pocket balls. I started off playing in league so I learned how to "score" a game. I learned very quickly that the break made you very happy or you felt really frustrated when you broke dry!
The first time someone showed me Snooker, i already had all the fundamentals to play this game as so did I when I first played a rotation game. Same basic skills, different balls, different rules. All though I really liked Snooker, i never played it much because there is no organized amateur league in my city to allow me to participate on a team. I bought a ball set but seldom does it get used. Eight ball is the game of choice around My home city.
Bonus Ball is the same as Snooker. If you understand the basic fundementals of billiards, you can simply take a couple of hours to learn the rules and unlike Snooker, you can use solids and stripes and away you go! Your playing the game the top players in the world are playing in the WPBL. How confusing can it be to watch Johnny Archer line up and bank a purple ball to the corner because he can't shoot the orange ball into his opponents pocket? Watch the game and learn the rules. It's really a fun game to play too. Try that for a few hours and you will see what I'm talking about!
The bottom line here is Bonus Ball is simply a billiards game. It's not like comparing cricket to baseball or like Bandy to Hockey. It's the same as watching eight ball or nine ball except it is a lot more challenging to play. Same tables, same cues and same 2.25 balls and a cue ball. If you don't want to watch professionals performing many difficult shots or actually taking less than 24 seconds to analyze and perform their next shot, in a team environment then you probably won't want to watch this new professional league. Fair ball!
Johnny Archer and Darren Appleton told me it is a great game to play, I decided to believe them. It's not only me that is playing this game! It will continue to be played even if Larry's dream of a profession league crashes. It will have nothing to do with Bonus Ball. It will be that he failed to bring you a good show. With Nathan now focused on this game, his filming ideas and the crew will make your viewing experience the best he can and I can tell you right now, these professionals are playing the game like professionals! It will be worth a look! That's the best we are hoping from any pool player. Give it a serious look!
The first time someone showed me Snooker, i already had all the fundamentals to play this game as so did I when I first played a rotation game. Same basic skills, different balls, different rules. All though I really liked Snooker, i never played it much because there is no organized amateur league in my city to allow me to participate on a team. I bought a ball set but seldom does it get used. Eight ball is the game of choice around My home city.
Bonus Ball is the same as Snooker. If you understand the basic fundementals of billiards, you can simply take a couple of hours to learn the rules and unlike Snooker, you can use solids and stripes and away you go! Your playing the game the top players in the world are playing in the WPBL. How confusing can it be to watch Johnny Archer line up and bank a purple ball to the corner because he can't shoot the orange ball into his opponents pocket? Watch the game and learn the rules. It's really a fun game to play too. Try that for a few hours and you will see what I'm talking about!
The bottom line here is Bonus Ball is simply a billiards game. It's not like comparing cricket to baseball or like Bandy to Hockey. It's the same as watching eight ball or nine ball except it is a lot more challenging to play. Same tables, same cues and same 2.25 balls and a cue ball. If you don't want to watch professionals performing many difficult shots or actually taking less than 24 seconds to analyze and perform their next shot, in a team environment then you probably won't want to watch this new professional league. Fair ball!
Johnny Archer and Darren Appleton told me it is a great game to play, I decided to believe them. It's not only me that is playing this game! It will continue to be played even if Larry's dream of a profession league crashes. It will have nothing to do with Bonus Ball. It will be that he failed to bring you a good show. With Nathan now focused on this game, his filming ideas and the crew will make your viewing experience the best he can and I can tell you right now, these professionals are playing the game like professionals! It will be worth a look! That's the best we are hoping from any pool player. Give it a serious look!
I agree with the op here. I think team concept might be ok, but play 10ball. Actually believe there would be more support for any ot the 3 existing games mentioned. Not a big 8ball fan but that is all the casual bar players know exists......I guess you might pick up that audience with 8 ball. I always enjoy watching 10ball or 9ball.
Barry -- repeating a question from a few days ago in another thread:
Back when the season was scheduled to start on November 29, the first week of matches was going to be free and ppv charges would start with the 2nd week of matches.
Will it still be free to view the first week's matches?
That's up for debate at this point. A few ideas are being tossed around as alternatives. I'll keep everyone posted once the decision is made.
Thanks for the info.
Sorry at large, I am on the road right now i just got into to Casper, Wyoming! Im driving down my vehicle because this time, im going do everything I can to help Larry and Nathan get this league launched. I gave Larry a great suggestion that is more appealing because of the late start so the rest is up to Larry and Nathan. I believe they will come up with something good! They know how important it is to market this new product. Happy New Year to you!
I would like to think that ten ball is definitely a better version of rotation than nine ball. I hope the upcoming TAR match is awesome! Im hoping to speak to Justin about getting a ticket to watch it at his studio!
Also, I'm very impressed that Bonus Ball has any votes at all at this point! I'd love to see those numbers after one season! Bonus Ball will grab a market share just like NASCAR grabbed it's market share from Indy and Sports Car racing. The majority of racers drive dirt cars but that does not stop them from supporting a league that markets racing at a much higher level than they can race. Nobody really knows how it will go! Hat's off to Larry Chiborak and to anyone else that has the guts to go against the grain to try and bring pool, that we all on Azbilliards love to a different level. He is a pioneer! It his vision and he will either be known as a visionary or another poor promoter. either way, he is still should hold his head up high for trying.
That goes out to the players as well. They believe in Larry and his concept! I'm really around all these players and not one has ever said, why does Larry not have us play ten ball? That's because they understand his mission, understand how really good this games plays and they are going to stand with him. That does say something! Good luck to everyone involved in all events that are trying to improve billiards! I wish them the best!
I personally have my agenda to get amateur Bonus Ball leagues going! I have some amazing software for league owners to use very shortly that makes it a piece of cake for billiard room operators to house their own leagues! Email me: barry@playbonusball.com
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People claiming to be "visionary" are, by nature, an arrogant, stubborn, lot. Many self proclaimed visionaries tend to ignore and ridicule traditional measures of business potential like popular opinion, polls, focus groups, and years of historical facts, while some others embrace them. Only the one's who's ventures succeed are, indeed, visionary. The others? Well, not so much.
Good luck.
Another bump for votes and/or points of view.
J
Good luck.
Another bump for votes and/or points of view.
J
Visionary people have made this country and our world a better place to live. In this world there are many crooked and malicious people. They have put on tournaments and failed to pay the players and that really is not something to be proud of! Larry paid out 105k to players because of a contractor that has been deceiving him. That is honorable and should be applauded. What's your point Jimmy?
Just a general statement about visionaries, and how success and/or failure are the final arbiters, nothing personal directed toward either you, or Larry. Sorry if it sounded that way.
As far a BB is concerned, I think that it's going to be a tough row to hoe.
Again, good luck to all.
J
Larry envisioned a pool game that brought back scoring (like Snooker and straight pool). He envisioned a game that would challenge top players and he got that game! Im going to take The word of Johnny Archer, Scott Frost, Rodney Morris, Darren Applelton, Francisco Bustamante, Stevie Moore and many of the top players in our sport that love this game. Once you embrace and play the game, it will become apparent to you that yes, these pros know what they are talking about! Despite Larry's problems with this corrupt contractor, the game of Bonus Ball will not ever fade away. It simply plays too good. I will remind you, he never invent anything new, he just structured pool to play more challenging for better players. Here in Las Vegas, we are embracing the game. It's simply a fact that this game is very challenging to play and so much fun! That is a great combination!
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I agree with you about bonus ball. A totally new game that most people don't understand is going in the wrong direction. Take a game all pool players can relate to, 10 ball for example, and put the promotional energy behind that if you want the majority of the pool community to even understand what's going on.
What ever path is taken don't make the mistake of scheduling on top of the current promoters who are the only ones trying to give the pool players a chance to earn some money. I don't see Bonus Ball lasting like the IPT did so if the few current promoters say the heck with it then what do you have after Bonus Ball runs its course.
James
