Poll: Bonus Ball: More Support Playing 8, 9, Or 10 Ball?

[jimmyg]

Riddle this:

Multibillion dollar, international, mega-corporations, with unlimited resources utilize focus groups before introducing new consumer products and marketing plans to the public as a way of pretesting their plans. They often, and sensibly, rethink and/or discontinue plans that are met with extremely negative results

I would consider this poll and the other numerous threads as serving the same purpose as several very well selected focus groups. Given that in this poll alone with 139 votes, 89% of the people who voted thought that BB was not the best selection for a new national team concept.

Rhetorical question:
Maybe someone has a rational theory as to why valuable input like this would be totally ignored and not be used as a basis for reconsideration of an apparently poor product choice and marketing plan? I do not.

There is no shame in changing a product design in order to fill the market's wants and needs, in fact it shows intelligence, business savvy, and common sense. All skill sets required to survive a tough business environment.

Still wishing good luck to all.

J

 

[AtLarge]

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Rhetorical question:
Maybe someone has a rational theory as to why valuable input like this would be totally ignored and not be used as a basis for reconsideration of an apparently poor product choice and marketing plan? I do not. ...

Perhaps we are not really part of the ultimate target market.

 

[Pfnatic]

I believe that the regional "team" concept of BB is a good one, and properly funded and marketed would have a fair chance of success.

That said, I can't understand the strategic benefit of creating and introducing an entirely "new" game as part of the concept.

So the question is: Do you think that Bonus Ball would have had greater support within the pool community had they opted to play 8, 9, or 10 ball rather than "bonus ball"?

J

Short answer: Yes :smile:

 

[jimmyg]

Perhaps we are not really part of the ultimate target market.

Okay, let's go with that and see if that makes business sense.

First of all, "we" here are the perfect representatives of the entire international pool world, to ignore our knowledge based input implies that they believe that they are smarter than the "market", which is never true and defies business logic.

Secondly, we are, in fact, pool's only world "market" regardless of what anyone says or wants to believe....there is no pool market other than we pool players, just as a new baby food company cannot ignore the millions of existing babies in the world who must eat, we pool players cannot be ignored. To anyone other than us, these extremely talented professional pool players, even in their new multicolored hockey jerseys, are, and will remain, complete unknowns.

Truthfully, to me it sounds and looks like the sheer arrogance of amateurs and dreamers flush with some free business start up money, Of course I could be wrong, but that's exactly what it looks like to me.

J

 

[CJ Wiley]

Bonus Ball $ucceeding will be Extremely Positive......however, we highly recommend...

I haven't seen BB played, don't know all the rules, so I don't know if I'll like it or not. My initial reaction is I don't think a new game is necessary, but maybe I'll love it, I'll watch some and give it a chance. I'm more in line with some of the ideas CJ Wiley had about player recognition and identification with them as personalities.

Bonus Ball succeeding will be a Dream come true......however, we highly recommend carefully considering the universal rules of $uccess {in sports/games}.

The fact is all games and sports (without players) are close to the same. None of them are very interesting without the personalities and characters. Pool's not the exception, it's the "sample example". Pool has been successful in the past because of TV/Movie Stars like Jackie Gleason, Paul Newman, Tom Cruise, Minnisota Fats, Willie Mosconi, Steve Mizerak, Mike Sigel, Allen Hopkins, etc, etc....the entire group, not one in particular.

No one ever talks about football, basketball, baseball or hockey.......they talk about what some player did, or pitcher, or quarterback, umpire, a fight, a scandal (Tiger and many others}, an exceptional feat, and they know their names and where they went to college - what food they like - what beer they drink, what their strength/weakness is - etc.etc.

Try watching a base ball ONLY or a foot ball ONLY or a golf ball ONLY or a tennis ball ONLY and you'll quickly understand that as a "game" with balls, pool is better game than any other without the players, ironically no attempt has been made to brand a player since we were playing in the early to mid 90s. Pool's the only game/sport that tries to make everyone BUT the players the stars and that's "going over like a lead balloon". :thumbup:

Once the personalities and characters start to pull the "game {train/wagon}," then and only then will the game pull the players too, and there is synergy. The personalities Must Always be developed first....no exceptions in history and it won't start now with pool. I deal with professional marketers and they see it in an instant, but no one in the industry seems to notice. We must allow ourselves to "real eyes" the core issues and address them or the same patterns will continue.

We want to do this in Dallas, however, we need competition......it takes competition to guarantee success in our opinion......it's like being the only lawyer in town, you'll starve, and once another lawyer moves to town you will succeed.....I'm hoping Bonus Ball succeeds, however, they will need competition to succeed at the highest level - this is called the "Synergistic Effect".

'The Game is the Vehicle, the Players are the "Marketing Vehicle Drivers"

 

[jasonlaus]

Bonus Ball succeeding will be a Dream come true......however, we highly recommend carefully considering the universal rules of $uccess {in sports/games}.

The fact is all games and sports (without players) are close to the same. None of them are very interesting without the personalities and characters. Pool's not the exception, it's the "sample example". Pool has been successful in the past because of TV/Movie Stars like Jackie Gleason, Paul Newman, Tom Cruise, Minnisota Fats, Willie Mosconi, Steve Mizerak, Mike Sigel, Allen Hopkins, etc, etc....the entire group, not one in particular.

No one ever talks about football, basketball, baseball or hockey.......they talk about what some player did, or pitcher, or quarterback, umpire, a fight, a scandal (Tiger and many others}, an exceptional feat, and they know their names and where they went to college - what food they like - what beer they drink, what their strength/weakness is - etc.etc.

Try watching a base ball ONLY or a foot ball ONLY or a golf ball ONLY or a tennis ball ONLY and you'll quickly understand that as a "game" with balls, pool is better game than any other without the players, ironically no attempt has been made to brand a player since we were playing in the early to mid 90s. Pool's the only game/sport that tries to make everyone BUT the players the stars and that's "going over like a lead balloon". :thumbup:

Once the personalities and characters start to pull the "game {train/wagon}," then and only then will the game pull the players too, and there is synergy. The personalities Must Always be developed first....no exceptions in history and it won't start now with pool. I deal with professional marketers and they see it in an instant, but no one in the industry seems to notice. We must allow ourselves to "real eyes" the core issues and address them or the same patterns will continue.

We want to do this in Dallas, however, we need competition......it takes competition to guarantee success in our opinion......it's like being the only lawyer in town, you'll starve, and once another lawyer moves to town you will succeed.....I'm hoping Bonus Ball succeeds, however, they will need competition to succeed at the highest level - this is called the "Synergistic Effect".

'The Game is the Vehicle, the Players are the "Marketing Vehicle Drivers"

What you need is old school, Earl, Keith, CJ, Efren with his I get lucky, DRAMA, RIVALRY. Bring in Deschaine against Earl and turn the mics all the way up, nobody has to love the other player - I'd rather see them truly despise each other-it works for all other sports. Controversy, bad calls, frozen balls, F-U Earl, I'll use a jump cue if I wanna

Jason<---hates jump cues

 

[jimmyg]

May as well rejoin the BB party. :smile:

J

 

[jimmyg]

Hint: For anyone still voting for BB, the results are already in......BB gather's the least support in every poll made on the topic.

What confuses, and actually irritates, me is that the "visionaries" who created BB absolutely refuse to pay attention to what has quickly and obviously already become fact.

Question: Visionary or delusional?

J