Poll: smoking and pool

[mm4pool]

true the sun does cause cancer and we can not control the sun. but we can limit and control our exposure to the sun's effects. i have spent 30 + years outside working construction plus playing softball, golf and fishing. i have now been found to have pre cancerous skin cells on various parts of my body so i wish i had taken precations. same with smoke, i would rather limit or eliminate my exposure as much as possible.

Mike

 

[walrus_3d]

So far, this isn't looking tooo good for the "My Godgiven right" and "Force others to share it with me" contingent. Together they total 15% and the "I don't mind going outside rather than infringe the clean air of others" is 85%.

I think this is about the time where the minority starts contacting all their friends with unseemly requests.

I think you're missing the responses of the people who'd have said "I'll play in a non-smoking pool room if i absolutely have to but I prefer to smoke while i play". I couldn't in good conscience even respond to your poll.

 

[the420trooper]

I think you're missing the responses of the people who'd have said "I'll play in a non-smoking pool room if i absolutely have to but I prefer to smoke while i play". I couldn't in good conscience even respond to your poll.

I'm in the same camp. I prefer a smoking room because I'm a smoker, but the quality of tables and overall atmosphere have more to do with where I play than whether or not I can smoke while I play.

If all the people who hate smoking rooms got together and DID something, they could have their nonsmoking rooms, smokers could have theirs, and the government never needs to get involved.

My favorite room is a nonsmoking establishment. (AAA Billiards, OKC) It's my favorite because there's no loud music, only serious pool players show up there, and table time is VERY reasonable. Those things mean more to me than being allowed to smoke while I wait for the other guy to shoot.

 

[walrus_3d]

You mean something like this:

"yes- if it's the only one availiable even though I do mind going outside to smoke rather than force someone else to share my habit"

If i forced you into a smoking pool room, then I forced you to share my habit. You didn't have to come in, you didn't have to play pool at a smoking room. Incidentally, I play in California where you're not allowed to smoke in the pool rooms anyway. I play in the non-smoking rooms, because they're the only ones available. When I went to Florida a couple months ago, they had smoking rooms, and I smoked and played pool and it was AWEsome.

So, again, get over yourself and try not to create polls with bias. You get less relevant data that way.

 

[walrus_3d]

(which the smoker him/herself is somewhat protected from because he/she is behind a filter)

okay, let's talk about facts for a moment.

fact: second-hand smoke is the exhaled air from the smoker, and the smoke from the lit end of the cigarette.

fact: if you're within three feet of a smoker, you are more than likely exposed to his or her exhalations as well as the smoke from the lit end of the cigarette.

fact: if you're HOLDING THE FREAKING CIGARETTE, then you're exposed to the smoke from the lit end, the smoke you're inhaling, and to what you're exhaling.

First-hand smoke is now, always has been, and always will be more dangerous than second-hand smoke. Let's try to avoid making statements that would indicate otherwise, because they just make me ignore everything else you said. Whatever that was.

 

[sfleinen]

[...] and try not to create polls with bias. You get less relevant data that way.

This is a great closer to that post. Creating a poll with sarcastically-/sardonically-worded options certainly creates a poll with bias. I believe in the "one's person's facts can be another's smoke screen," so to get accurate results, it's best to create the poll without those parts that create bias. (And that means, leaving out "facts" -- just word the options as sterile as possible. It'd be really interesting to see what the results of this poll would've been had that been done...)

-Sean

 

[sfleinen]

okay, let's talk about facts for a moment.

fact: second-hand smoke is the exhaled air from the smoker, and the smoke from the lit end of the cigarette.

fact: if you're within three feet of a smoker, you are more than likely exposed to his or her exhalations as well as the smoke from the lit end of the cigarette.

fact: if you're HOLDING THE FREAKING CIGARETTE, then you're exposed to the smoke from the lit end, the smoke you're inhaling, and to what you're exhaling.

First-hand smoke is now, always has been, and always will be more dangerous than second-hand smoke. Let's try to avoid making statements that would indicate otherwise, because they just make me ignore everything else you said. Whatever that was.

This goes both ways -- "one person's 'facts' [as you yourself even word them] are another's smoke screen."

So let's agree, as per your previous post, to leave out the "facts" in polls like this. You can participate in the "whatever that was" dramatics if you like.

-Sean

 

[walrus_3d]

This goes both ways -- "one person's 'facts' [as you yourself even word them] are another's smoke screen."

So let's agree, as per your previous post, to leave out the "facts" in polls like this. You can participate in the "whatever that was" dramatics if you like.

-Sean

sorry, one of my peeves is the several times i've been told (usually at the top of their lungs) that their exposure to my second hand smoke was more dangerous to them than smoking was to me. I'll believe that for kids and the elderly, but unless you already have some sort of respiratory disease... anyway, yeah, sorry for pinging on you.

 

[spktur]

i am not a smoker and i might agree with the above statement except that I feel I have a right to enjoy a meal at a restuarant without smelling cig smoke. before the bans went into effect where i live it was common to be sitting at a table in a restuarant and some inconsiderate jack wagon smoker at the next table is chain smoking to beat all hell. i have actually witnessed someone at a table eating with a lit cigarette takin a puff in between bites. i mean come on, are you really that addicted that you must smoke between bites of food?

so before the first smoking ban to not go where it was allowed would mean eating at home as my only option. i whole heartedly endorse the bans in my area. at least now i can go out to eat and enjoy a nice meal without smelling the stench of smoke.

Mike

Just curious, but why is it that non-smokers think that whereever they go they can have it their way? I mean with these government smoking bans, in many areas it is illegal to smoke in a cigar shop even when it is in its own free standing building. Don't you think if a business owner who smokes wants to have a business that caters to the smoking customer he should be able to do it. You know he really isn't interested in your patronage.

 

[maidenfreak]

We need to archive this post and open it back up in 10 years. With the strides being made in cytogenetics, flow and fish to be specific, and advancements in genetic biomarker technology we will all know what causes cancers by then.

Next topic: What are your thoughts on string theory and quantum mechanics?

 

[mm4pool]

Just curious, but why is it that non-smokers think that whereever they go they can have it their way? I mean with these government smoking bans, in many areas it is illegal to smoke in a cigar shop even when it is in its own free standing building. Don't you think if a business owner who smokes wants to have a business that caters to the smoking customer he should be able to do it. You know he really isn't interested in your patronage.

i am just as curious, why do smokers feel that they have a right to impose their habits on non smokers? i was fine with seperate areas in a restuarant as long as hvac was working right. i do go to bars to play league and accept the fact that i will be subjected to smoke, my choice. my wife however does not like it when out to eat and i agree. if you want a smoke after a meal, great go outside is all i ask.

Mike

 

[risky biz]

If i forced you into a smoking pool room, then I forced you to share my habit. You didn't have to come in, you didn't have to play pool at a smoking room.

If there are no pool rooms with clean indoor air in a locality you're telling non-smokers that if they don't want to share your dirty habit they can just stop playing pool. That isn't voluntary.

A hundred responses could be put in a poll. Another one might be, "The reason I have never played pool and don't allow my children to is the filthy, unhealthy air in pool rooms."

 

[risky biz]

Just curious, but why is it that non-smokers think that whereever they go they can have it their way? I mean with these government smoking bans, in many areas it is illegal to smoke in a cigar shop even when it is in its own free standing building. Don't you think if a business owner who smokes wants to have a business that caters to the smoking customer he should be able to do it. You know he really isn't interested in your patronage.

The reason you're seeing laws like this is that the non-smoking majority have to pay to treat the smoking related diseases caused by these disease peddlers. That probably wouldn't be the situation if smokers were required to pay an extra Medicare premium to cover the cost of care for the percentage of them who become physical wrecks due to smoking. Are you in favor of that?

 

[Neil]

The reason you're seeing laws like this is that the non-smoking majority have to pay to treat the smoking related diseases caused by these disease peddlers. That probably wouldn't be the situation if smokers were required to pay an extra Medicare premium to cover the cost of care for the percentage of them who become physical wrecks due to smoking. Are you in favor of that?

If you really are silly enough to believe that, then start advocating the same thing for overweight people and anyone that eats fried foods, ect. Otherwise, your argument holds no merit whatsoever.

 

[OneIron]

Just curious, but why is it that non-smokers think that whereever they go they can have it their way? I mean with these government smoking bans, in many areas it is illegal to smoke in a cigar shop even when it is in its own free standing building. Don't you think if a business owner who smokes wants to have a business that caters to the smoking customer he should be able to do it. You know he really isn't interested in your patronage.

Because it's a public health issue. Would you allow business owners to ignore fire codes? Or restaurant owners to ignore sanitation rules? Don't mean to state the obvious but tobacco smoke is airborne. If I'm around a smoker, I can't avoid the smoke. I don't have a problem with the use of smokeless tobacco in public places as long as it doesn't end up on me.

If smokers would show a little restraint and smoke outside, I suspect this issue would go away.

 

[cigardave]

Here's what I believe is truly the HEART of the issue... cigarette smoke STINKS... there, I said it.

Pls read on.

My smoking background. I started with cigarettes at age 17 (1966) ... and smoked regularly until I quit cold turkey in '73 after 7 years. At the time that I quit I was smoking 2+ packs a day of non-filtered cigarettes. My health and well being were being affected. I needed to stop and I did.

Upon quitting, I became a anti-smoking Nazi to the Nth degree. I couldn't stand the smell of cigarette smoke. It nauseated me ( I admit, a slight exaggeration). When I hosted a party, nobody could smoke cigarettes in my house. And this was the '70s, when most everybody in their 20s smoked.

In 1996... some 23 years later of smoking NO tobacco whatsoever, I started smoking relatively cheap cigars and I loved the experience. Since then, I have upgraded to smoking nothing but premium cigars. On average, I smoke one cigar a day.

Going back to cigarettes, I don't like to smell them to this date. But not so with cigars.

I can't tell you how many people have told me, unsolicited, how good one of my cigars smell. And yes, I know that not everybody feels the same way.

The solution in my mind is for the cigarette manufacturers to TOTALLY change the aroma of their products. Many, many find cigarette smoke offensive... and thus they have voted for the smoking bans that have swept across the country.

IMO, the issue is not about the potential harmful health benefits of 2nd hand smoke... it's all about the smell of cigarettes. Given a choice, most people don't want to smell them.

 

[Mt. Cheverest]

Q-Masters

Q-Masters in Virginia Beach allows smoking in two of the 4 large rooms. The front room and another room (the latest addition) allow for non-smokers to enjoy smoke-free atmosphere while shooting. The back room and the Green room (bar room) allow for smoking. I believe this is the way to go. Everyone wins. The only downside to this is that the back smoking room is also the tournament room, so non-smoking tournament players must deal with the smoke.

 

[Underclocked]

Why would e-cigarettes be included in a ban?

I hate the loud roaring noises one encounters at a stock car race or drag strip. The noise is so loud that it is most definitely damaging what is left of my hearing. They should be banned so I won't have to be bothered by the noise of those 2nd class, inconsiderate deviants making such a ruckus.

 

[KRJ]

Hmmmm

Just curious, but why is it that non-smokers think that whereever they go they can have it their way? I mean with these government smoking bans, in many areas it is illegal to smoke in a cigar shop even when it is in its own free standing building. Don't you think if a business owner who smokes wants to have a business that caters to the smoking customer he should be able to do it. You know he really isn't interested in your patronage.

Heck, even I agree with this. A shop only in business to sell tobacco products should be able to smoke themselves silly. In Illinois, it is about the only place you can smoke in legally, is a tobacco shop. Got no problem with that.... a non smoker would never, ever need to go in there unless they were buying a "present" for their wife or something...

 

[justadub]

Heck, even I agree with this. A shop only in business to sell tobacco products should be able to smoke themselves silly. In Illinois, it is about the only place you can smoke in legally, is a tobacco shop. Got no problem with that.... a non smoker would never, ever need to go in there unless they were buying a "present" for their wife or something...

Agreed....