Pool America Sports 2

thank you

Houstoer said:
I looked at it and have no idea what you're trying to do or want the person to do. Might be ok as just a promo but lacks very little information and I agree the music is not right. If I were you I would listen to every thing cleary is telling you....
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Listen guys, this isn't the show. This was just something to start this conversation. So, thanks for that.

One thing I can truly say about this deal, is that I don't have much of a horse in this race. It is tons of work and most of the money will go to the players. One of the reasons that this can work is that I am going to work on it without much help. Please ask Cleary what it would cost for 50-60 hours of editing and production time. That's probably why it hasn't been done so far. How can you give the players so much if the production costs 80% of what you are going to get in the beginning.

Cleary, I'll say hi to you the next time I see you. You're usually in a game though.
 
From the video & now some explanation as to what it's about, I'm getting interested...


jimM said:
Listen guys, this isn't the show. This was just something to start this conversation. So, thanks for that.

One thing I can truly say about this deal, is that I don't have much of a horse in this race. It is tons of work and most of the money will go to the players. One of the reasons that this can work is that I am going to work on it without much help. Please ask Cleary what it would cost for 50-60 hours of editing and production time. That's probably why it hasn't been done so far. How can you give the players so much if the production costs 80% of what you are going to get in the beginning.

Cleary, I'll say hi to you the next time I see you. You're usually in a game though.
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jimM said:
Listen guys, this isn't the show. This was just something to start this conversation. So, thanks for that.

One thing I can truly say about this deal, is that I don't have much of a horse in this race. It is tons of work and most of the money will go to the players. One of the reasons that this can work is that I am going to work on it without much help. Please ask Cleary what it would cost for 50-60 hours of editing and production time. That's probably why it hasn't been done so far. How can you give the players so much if the production costs 80% of what you are going to get in the beginning.

Cleary, I'll say hi to you the next time I see you. You're usually in a game though.
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Jim,
I hope this thing works out the way youve planned. I havent seen your video just yet but its clear you are trying to do something to turn the tide in pool. Doing so without working yourself to death is usually....not done....I hope someone appreciates your efforts....I bounce promotional ideas off a friend of mine in the industry quite often and in 2yrs of it....we havent found anything anyone is willing to pay for yet.....So when you look at the amount of failure that we have its no surprise of the dropping numbers of players in pool. Our Industry isnt supported by an organization such as the Dairymens organization whose job is to keep Americas mind on Milk......Got Milk?....

Our sport has in the past been sort off self supporting and people came in because other people got them involved......were invited....had time to play....then economy, video age, smoking banned etc, etc became involved and wa...laaa we have virtually no new players being created.....and we have no organization in place to do it....

So what do we do?

That is a question Id love to find an answer to......and for me its much more important that making sure a few players get paid, although its a interesting idea I have to admit.

But from what Ive encountered a lot of room owners seem hesitant to actually do advertising for their businesses....they are trying to make it.....and I guess dont have the money to raise the conciousness of the locals to the idea that pool even exists....rising rents, lack of players, trouble selling alcohol due to regulations.....its a dog eat dog business.....

so whats the answer? ......well id sure like to know.....give me a holla when you find out...

Just another lovely day in paradise......

336Robin :thumbup:

aimisthegameinpool.com
aimisthegameinpool@yahoo.com
 
Maybe

I think I know what its about and
its not a bad idea. I agree with pdw
about ways to pay. I hate using pay pal
under any circumstances but I do have
a low limit credit card I use exclusively
on the net. Also think about being able
to watch the match either live or
recorded. That way I'm not so concerned
about my $10.00, and I'm more likely to
go ahead and pay for it right away.

I can see myself participating, depending
on the teams.

Good luck!
 
Thank you

RobertaAgnor said:
From the video & now some explanation as to what it's about, I'm getting interested...
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Thank you Roberta. I don't know at what level you may play, but this should be very interesting to B,A, and open players, cause they are on the brink of being able to compete on a higher level. We also want to have women playing. Not only because it makes it more interesting, but it is, in my eyes, the best thing for the sport.


Thanks,
Jim
 
No problem, I just play APA & have for over 20 years with breaks taken at times but I've been playing ever since I could. I don't claim to be great but I'm ok. I did like the video, you had my very good friend (but more like family) Tony & anything I can do to support anything he's associated with I will do :)

jimM said:
Thank you Roberta. I don't know at what level you may play, but this should be very interesting to B,A, and open players, cause they are on the brink of being able to compete on a higher level. We also want to have women playing. Not only because it makes it more interesting, but it is, in my eyes, the best thing for the sport.


Thanks,
Jim
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Video Critique

Jim, I just watched the video. It is a good visual collage to set the tone. While the written graphics give a brief overview of concept, it interferes with the visual. Downsizing the font would help, but the real drawback is not having a voice over artist to convey the message verbally. This video, as is, with a narrator describing the purpose and benefits, would be a huge asset to developing this idea. You might find an aspiring voice artist who might do the voiceover as a resume credit.

I see what direction you are heading in order to create the professionals having an additional revenue stream. Each viewer who participates, is spending their entertainment dollar to support the concept. Nothing wrong with that. Keep plugging away. It is a good thing you are doing.

Carl
 
cajunfats said:
Jim, I just watched the video. It is a good visual collage to set the tone. While the written graphics give a brief overview of concept, it interferes with the visual. Downsizing the font would help, but the real drawback is not having a voice over artist to convey the message verbally. This video, as is, with a narrator describing the purpose and benefits, would be a huge asset to developing this idea. You might find an aspiring voice artist who might do the voiceover as a resume credit.

I see what direction you are heading in order to create the professionals having an additional revenue stream. Each viewer who participates, is spending their entertainment dollar to support the concept. Nothing wrong with that. Keep plugging away. It is a good thing you are doing.

Carl
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Thanks Carl, I appreciate your comments.

I was thinking that it would be interesting to have a viewer player. A player picked(out of a hat) from the viewers to come to play with the team of their choice. It would be an unpaid position, but both teams would have a viewer player and these two players would play the first game in the match. They would get to meet the other players on the team and get a feel of what it is like to play with a group of great players. I would probably have to have people apply by email for the viewer player so it would be someone that is interested in doing it and able to make it to the match.

What do any of you think about this idea?

Jim
 
jimM said:
Thanks Carl, I appreciate your comments.

I was thinking that it would be interesting to have a viewer player. A player picked(out of a hat) from the viewers to come to play with the team of their choice. It would be an unpaid position, but both teams would have a viewer player and these two players would play the first game in the match. They would get to meet the other players on the team and get a feel of what it is like to play with a group of great players. I would probably have to have people apply by email for the viewer player so it would be someone that is interested in doing it and able to make it to the match.

What do any of you think about this idea?

Jim
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I like it. Kind of a Celebrity Guest Match. I encourage the following:

Each chosen guest receive a Team Shirt from their respective Team as a prize. Other sponsor prizes as the program develops. A Value System of Rewards.

Insert the Guest Match at the Midway(Halftime) point in the competition. If you do it first, it will aggravate the viewers because they paid to see the Pro's. If you do it at the end, the viewer will merely switch out from end of competition. Make them anticipate the next round. Heightened Expectations.

During the Half-Time, have the commentators get 3-5 minutes for evaluations of the first matches, then a projection for the second half. Exacly like the NFL games do it (Visa Halftime Report). Expert Analysis.

During second half pauses in action give 1 minute Thank You responses to the Guests. Courtesy from both sides/Sportsmanship.

I like this concept you are developing. It has a lot of virtue.

The selecting of the guests will need a definitive structure to avoid no-shows and bailers.

Thanks Jim.
 
jimM said:
Thanks Carl, I appreciate your comments.

I was thinking that it would be interesting to have a viewer player. A player picked(out of a hat) from the viewers to come to play with the team of their choice. It would be an unpaid position, but both teams would have a viewer player and these two players would play the first game in the match. They would get to meet the other players on the team and get a feel of what it is like to play with a group of great players. I would probably have to have people apply by email for the viewer player so it would be someone that is interested in doing it and able to make it to the match.

What do any of you think about this idea?

Jim
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Jim, I like the concept. Best of luck to you; I appreciate all the hard work you've been putting into this. I like both your idea of a viewer player, and Carl's suggestion for voice over.
 
Great ideas

cajunfats said:
I like it. Kind of a Celebrity Guest Match. I encourage the following:

Each chosen guest receive a Team Shirt from their respective Team as a prize. Other sponsor prizes as the program develops. A Value System of Rewards.

Insert the Guest Match at the Midway(Halftime) point in the competition. If you do it first, it will aggravate the viewers because they paid to see the Pro's. If you do it at the end, the viewer will merely switch out from end of competition. Make them anticipate the next round. Heightened Expectations.

During the Half-Time, have the commentators get 3-5 minutes for evaluations of the first matches, then a projection for the second half. Exacly like the NFL games do it (Visa Halftime Report). Expert Analysis.

During second half pauses in action give 1 minute Thank You responses to the Guests. Courtesy from both sides/Sportsmanship.

I like this concept you are developing. It has a lot of virtue.

The selecting of the guests will need a definitive structure to avoid no-shows and bailers.

Thanks Jim.
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These are fantastic ideas. One reason that I wanted the guests to play first is that they actually would be part of the game as I was thinking of it. Their score would count which would make it more fun and interesting. Plus the pros will be more interested in helping them before the match. If they played in the middle and it counted, it could change the match more. But, if they played in the middle and it didn't count, it would prolong the game too much. We shot the first game and it went very long. (These guys really wanted to beat each other). And at the end, you are right that no one would watch if it didn't count, but if it did count, that wouldn't work. But if they play in the beginning and they are good and they won their game, theoretically they could be left in to play again.

Thanks
 
Pool America Sports

I have read all of thi sthread but have not been able to really respond.

I support the concept that Jim is doing.

I DO NOT agree that the players should get 90% of the total proceeds - because the concept will not be able to grow - or even afford itself.

Initially, Jim is doing all the work.
That cannot happen on a larger scale.

But the concept of teams and all that is very good.

I want to support (and will in some way) but right now, I am running crazy trying to keep my house in order.

Jim is doing a good thing - but this is an experiment.
I will be watching and encouraging this project.

As to the 'draw a player' to play on a team.
That needs to be more for exhibition and photos than score keeping because the teams will be affected by how this 'guest' plays. Great promo idea though.

Mark Griffin
 
This is way classier than the new The Action Report. If pool america is an online alternative to action report, it has more players and more action. I love watching top rated pros miss, but I love seeing several top pros make their shots count. In the marathon that action report is, pool america is more suitable for average viewers.

It is in a publicly viewed space in a historic pool room, at least part of the promo was in one, with real spectators.

Will it make it? Tough in the beginning to say, but the players seem to support it.

With smartphones and instant uploads, there is a great chance for non-traditional materials to be gained from internet access. They've been piggy backing off youtube, vimeo, it is the new low cost alternative to maintaining a website.

PS: Reminds me of "Moneyball" corporate pirates with new ideas on how to run a sports organization face off with traditional methods of management.
 
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pool

Earlier this year around August MSG network in NYC was televising the 2011 Mosconi cup
They have Been running it like a series showing matches once or twice a week first team to win 11 matches takes the title the coverage was excellent.
It openend with some cool music and fancy editing really gets you pumped to watch some great pool.
they started the show with a recap of the prior match show the standings And introduce the players for the match you are about to watch.
Great crowd Support real good camera work, good announcers very exciting.
Also from time to time they showed some of the Classic Mosconi cup matches from past years.
IMO---
The team concept works very well for pool on TV. 2 teams battling it out
in this case ( Mosconi cup your country vs. there’s)
the players and the crowd really get into it --- players wearing team colors a referee great lighting it looks and feels like professional sports event which is what it is .
My Daughter who has no interest in pool what’s so ever actually got into the Mosconi cup and in a very short time was rooting for Johnny Archer and Rodney Morris---
My wife is a film maker and I will tell you from personal experience what JM is attempting to do is really challenging you live it 24/7 365 wish the project all the best.
MCP
 
The idea of teams playing each other is good and I do like the fact that you can change games unlike the Mosconi Cup, I think 1pocket should be in there as well.

I think something like this could work if major cities around the country traveled to play each others. Only well known/high level players.

I know from helping JCIN with some TAR matches, selling PPV isn't easy even when you have high level pool. Fact of the matter is, people are just cheap. It's a real hard sell to even break even.

That said, Jim's idea of 8 local nyc teams might be a VERY hard sell. Honestly speaking, there are maybe 3 or 4 players in nyc that can really play on the "ppv level". There are many short stops and A players around, but I cannot see people paying to watch them. Just my honest opinion for whatever it's worth.
 
Cleary

cleary said:
The idea of teams playing each other is good and I do like the fact that you can change games unlike the Mosconi Cup, I think 1pocket should be in there as well.

I think something like this could work if major cities around the country traveled to play each others. Only well known/high level players.

I know from helping JCIN with some TAR matches, selling PPV isn't easy even when you have high level pool. Fact of the matter is, people are just cheap. It's a real hard sell to even break even.

That said, Jim's idea of 8 local nyc teams might be a VERY hard sell. Honestly speaking, there are maybe 3 or 4 players in nyc that can really play on the "ppv level". There are many short stops and A players around, but I cannot see people paying to watch them. Just my honest opinion for whatever it's worth.
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You're probably right on most of it, but not to try this wouldn't work for me. I didn't say that there would be 8 teams in NY. 2 in NY is enough. The other teams have to be from Philadelphia, Boston, Pittsburgh, etc. At most a one night stay over, but in driving range.

I understand that PPV is tough, but no one has offered this type of system yet and I just have more faith in the basic intelligence of pool players than most. The fact is that pool players look out for themselves, and when you clear away all the bullshit around these games, it comes down to being for the players. So, that is why I have a strong belief that this will work. Maybe I'm wrong, but it's my time and money and I can gamble with it.

Thanks Cleary,
Jim
 
We do disagree.

Mark Griffin said:
I have read all of thi sthread but have not been able to really respond.

I support the concept that Jim is doing.

I DO NOT agree that the players should get 90% of the total proceeds - because the concept will not be able to grow - or even afford itself.

Initially, Jim is doing all the work.
That cannot happen on a larger scale.

But the concept of teams and all that is very good.

I want to support (and will in some way) but right now, I am running crazy trying to keep my house in order.

Jim is doing a good thing - but this is an experiment.
I will be watching and encouraging this project.

As to the 'draw a player' to play on a team.
That needs to be more for exhibition and photos than score keeping because the teams will be affected by how this 'guest' plays. Great promo idea though.

Mark Griffin
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I obviously don't agree with you completely. You have done much more pool related things than I have and I probably will ever do, but I am not looking at it in the same light as you are.

The work will be very difficult at first, but as we go on and get a system of editing and look, it will get better. I plan to have all the editing done in one place, not edited all over the place and sent in. I want to keep a look that is consistent throughout the leagues.

My expenses will also be softened by any advertising that I may be able to put into the videos. Advertisers may be interested in this format because it isn't just for the one show, it will be in the video forever. Also, I will eventually be able to sell hats and t-shirts, etc. If a players name is on the t-shirt, I will split the profit with him or her.

Also, the frequency of what I do will be more often than the players. If we get enough teams, I could be working every week even though each player may work only once a month. My only real expense may be getting more computers to speed up the process, or to work on two or three games at once.

Also, it comes down to the players and supporters. If I make about the same as the players and my cut is $500, then that will be more difficult to deal with than if my cut is $3500.

I have always said that this system is going to live or die on the shoulders of the players. It won't be my failure if it dies, it will the failure of the players to see something that can actually work for them this time. And I mean them.

B,A,and Open players should especially be supportive of this because they are on the edge of needing a place to make money with the skills that they have worked on for such a long time. Right now, there really isn't anywhere to go that can be steady.

Thanks,
Jim
 
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