Pool in the Olympics?

How much do you reckon those fencers and archers who win gold medals make?

Not much and you're lucky to see a few minutes here and there once every 4 years. That's what pool would be like, and it would be a dead in the water sport just like fencing and archery will be forever, because the sport would be eternally governed by bureaucrats from governments around the world.
The odd hero makes a good living, for the rest it is glory with little reward. Look at the prime Olympic sports such as Athletics, weightlifting, swimming and gymnastics. Very few make money and most those who do, make it by joining the bureaucracy. Olympic sports do not respond to market needs coz they are quasi government controlled. They are all dead / dying sports.

Colin
 
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Usually the country's Olympic Committee pays for the airfare and accommodations of the athletes, so that wouldn't be much of an issue.

I really think 3-cushion would be a good addition to the Olympics.

Pool/pocket billiards is too fragmented in many games (1H, SP, 9B, 8B, ect.) and rules by region, however, 3C has pretty much just one way to play and a World Federation?

I would love to watch Turkiye take a Gold medal :)
 
Colin Colenso said:
How much do you reckon those fencers and archers who win gold medals make?

Not much and you're lucky to see a few minutes here and there once every 4 years. That's what pool would be like, and it would be a dead in the water sport just like fencing and archery will be forever, because the sport would be eternally governed by bureaucrats from governments around the world.
The odd hero makes a good living, for the rest it is glory with little reward. Look at the prime Olympic sports such as Athletics, weightlifting, swimming and gymnastics. Very few make money and most those who do, make it by joining the bureaucracy. Olympic sports do not respond to market needs coz they are quasi government controlled. They are all dead / dying sports.

Colin

Tend to agree with most of that mate.
 
Tokyo-dave said:
Does anybody really think that any of the top ranked pros would be willing to put up so much money for an event with absolutely no chance of a monetary return?

Nonesense. It's about an Olympic Gold medal, which has more value that any monetary payout. Just look at other sports in the Olympics.

The pinnacle of some sports is the Olympic but in others, the Olympics is not a major event for the game. Take football for example. The competition is for Under 23 players only (with two over-age players). The World Cup is the premier event. The vast majority of football fans would not even know who won the last Olympics.
 
DonFelix said:
sorry, but your list is absolutely ridiculous. probably you dont even know what handball, badminton or table-tennis really are. :angry: :angry: :angry:

First of all, I like to play, and even watch badminton and table-tennis(or as many in the states call it, Ping-Pong), and am fairly good at both. Handball, never played it but handball here is different than the team handball in the Olympics. What makes my list so ridiculous? Why am I wrong for wishing Billiards was an Olympic sport and thinking it deserves to be?
 
memikey said:
Can't stand the game myself but badminton is a highly athletic and fast sport

What about Archery? Can you please explain to me how Archery is a "highly athletic and fast sport"? I think those that were the "haters" to my opinions missed my point entirely.

Let's take the Olympic sport of Racewalking that I am absolutely embarrased to be a human and say I watched last night. I don't care about how fast they go, how long they go, none of it. It is literally one of the most ridiuclous things I have ever seen in my entire life and it has been in the Olympics since 1956?

Here is my point in a nutshell and riddle me this. If you polled the world as to what they would rather have and watch as an Olympic sport, Billiards or "Racewalking", what would get more votes?
 
tramp > pool

I'm watching women's trampoline right now, and thinking "wow, I am so glad this historical sport is more fitted for the olympics than pool..."

There truly are some strange events in the O's. Pool would be a fan-tastic addition.
 
o2bacs said:
What about Archery? Can you please explain to me how Archery is a "highly athletic and fast sport"?

:confused: Why would I need or even want to explain to you that archery is a highly athletic and fast sport when first of all I don't think archery is a highly athletic and fast sport and when in the second place I have never in any case suggested or implied that archery is a highly athletic and fast sport?:confused:

As it happens archery is in the Olympics mainly because of it's very clear connections with the original concepts as regards which skills the Olympics were to be tests of at the time the Olympics came about in the first place. On that basis alone it has a rock solid justification for being in the Olympics, just like discus and javelin throwing for example. Bemoaning archery being in the modern Olympics would be almost like complaining about religion being included in celebrations of Xmas.

I think those that were the "haters" to my opinions missed my point entirely

See the above re archery. There is at least one fundamental point about the Olympics that you are missing yourself.

I personally don't hate your opinion. As a general comment would remind you that people can only glean what your opinion is from what you have written and the meaning it conveys. Can't speak for others but your apparent surprise and dismay that pool "takes a back seat" to a sport like badminton, which I personally hate but which clearly beats pool hands down by every conceivable means of comparison from the athleticism required to play it through to its popularity worldwide, seemed hard to justify in my eyes.


Let's take the Olympic sport of Racewalking that I am absolutely embarrased to be a human and say I watched last night. I don't care about how fast they go, how long they go, none of it. It is literally one of the most ridiuclous things I have ever seen in my entire life and it has been in the Olympics since 1956?

Tend to agree with you.

Here is my point in a nutshell and riddle me this. If you polled the world as to what they would rather have and watch as an Olympic sport, Billiards or "Racewalking", what would get more votes?

You might get a shock in that poll. World class pool is a delight to you and me to watch but the inescapable fact, proved over and over again, is that next to nobody other than a small hard core of dedicated enthusiasts wants to watch it. Most amateur and pro contenders don't even stay to watch the later stages of events they've been knocked out of, unless there's spare tables and some action possibilities. They couldn't give away tickets for the multi million dollar IPT events in 2006 let alone sell them. The general public has next to zero interest in pool which they perceive to be a mind numbingly boring game for spectators.

There's absolutely no logical reason whatsoever to think that spectators would suddenly come out of the woodwork in droves if it were in the Olympics (except perhaps for a brief short initial surge, before they switched off in boredom). I agree with Colin that being in the Olympics might well actually be to the detriment of pool.

Pool players have a great record of "saying" they will do something then not following through (ask any tourney organiser who doesn't take entry fees in advance of the event how many no-shows he expects) so its possible that a poll would get a lot of pool people saying or voting that they would rather watch pool than walking races. Whether they'd ever get round to actually watching any broadcasted pool is quite another matter.

Don't shoot the messenger, he might have ran a marathon to bring you it to you:)
 
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Fer sure, it requires hour upon hour of both physical and mental training to keep up with your game. That and for me, being able to drink copius amounts of beer while maintaining my ability to see the table. I can't see why they don't allow ballroom dancing to be an official part of the olympics either.
 
A group of us were in a bar recently, and had a lengthy discussion about what events should and shouldn't be in the olympics.

After a long and heated debate, we came to the conclusion that:

Any competition that requires a panel of judges to pick the winner, does not belong.

Any competition that depends on the performance of an animal, does not belong.

Any competition that can be performed while holding a beer, does not belong.

By those standards, pool belongs.


Justin "Olympic Hopeful" Nuder
 
For anyone interested, there's a decent article about putting pool in the Olympics from an English language news site in the Philippines.

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/storypage.aspx?StoryId=128526

Billiards has already been turned down for 2012 and 2016, so their next shot at being in the Olympics as a test sport would be 2020.

Its also on the front page of the AZ site, but I'm not sure how many forum folks actually visit any part of AZ other than the forum, so I figured I'd better include the link to the AZ article as well. :D

http://www.azbilliards.com/yenmakabenta/yen10.php
 
Fred said:
A group of us were in a bar recently, and had a lengthy discussion about what events should and shouldn't be in the olympics.

After a long and heated debate, we came to the conclusion that:

Any competition that requires a panel of judges to pick the winner, does not belong.

Any competition that depends on the performance of an animal, does not belong.

Any competition that can be performed while holding a beer, does not belong.

By those standards, pool belongs.


Justin "Olympic Hopeful" Nuder

So gymnastics and diving shouldn't be in the Olympics?

Face it, one of the major factors holding pool back is the lack of a structured organization to help players improve and compete from the junior/amateur level to the world class events.
 
Front page on AZ
http://www.azbilliards.com/yenmakabenta/yen10.php
Billiards in the Olympics
AS the 2008 Olympic Games unfold in all their excitement and glory in Beijing this August, not a few pool players and enthusiasts have wondered in frustration why pool and other billiard sports are not part of the competition. Why are the best in our sport not taking their bows on the global stage like Michael Phelps in swimming or Kobe Bryant in basketball? Why can’t we be enthralled also by the exploits of our sports heroes and heroines? And why are our pool-crazy countries not being rewarded their fair share of Olympic gold?

The answer to these frustrating questions is that billiards is not yet deemed worthy of being officially invited into the huge Olympic tent. While billiards in its various forms was officially given recognition by the Olympic system in 1998, the fight for its inclusion in the games themselves is still ongoing. And the latest word is that in two more coming Olympics – till 2016 – our frustrations will not be ending yet.

According to Ian Anderson, president of the World Pool-Billiard Association (WPA), the International Olympic Committee (IOC) has officially given notice that billiards will not be part of the 2016 Olympic Games. It’s not one of the new sports being considered for induction into the competition. That distinction has been granted to five other sports -- karate, squash, roller sports, golf and rugby -- along with baseball and softball which currently already hold Olympic status. Two of these sports will most likely be included on the 2016 Olympics program.

The news is most disappointing to all of us in the international billiards community. But the fight for a place in the Olympics will continue. And the next target will be a seat in the 2020 Olympics, wherever that will be.

In consolation, as international billiard officials keep saying, billiards at least already enjoys official recognition within the Olympic system. It’s just that inclusion in the competition program is one long tedious process. The games, as they are now, are already overloaded with many sport disciplines. For any new sport to get in, another sport has to give way. And that’s a very tall order.

History of Billiards Lobby

The lobby for billiards’ inclusion in the Olympics date as far back as the 1950s. But the early effort was scattered and unfocused, so much that it could not even get beyond the front door. Not only did billiards have difficulty complying with the definition of sports under the Olympic Charter, but the IOC also demanded that only one organization represent all billiard sports in the discussion, and there were many organizations talking all at the same time.

The lobby could not make any headway until 1992 when the World Confederation for Billiard Sports (WCBS) was formed. To satisfy the IOC’s condition of single representation, the representatives of the three main billiard sports -- Carom, Pool and Snooker -- convened for a historic meeting in Bristol, England in August 1990. It was there that they decided to form the WCBS as an umbrella organization encompassing all kinds of billiards. They came up with a set of by-laws that enabled all three billiard divisions to work closely together, while still maintaining their respective independence.

The WCBS held its inaugural General Assembly in Lausanne, Switzerland in January 1992. A nine-man board was elected, with three representatives each from the founding members: Union Mondiale de Billard (UMB – Carom), World Pool-Billiard Association (WPA –Pool) and World Snooker Federation (WSF – Snooker). Thus did the campaign for possible IOC recognition begin.

With the WCBS in the lead, key achievements and milestones have been recorded:
• In October 1995, the WCBS was granted membership by the General Association of International Sports Federations (GAISF), a distinction that means a lot to the International Olympic Committee (IOC).
• In July 1996, the IOC granted the WCBS provisional recognition for two years,
• In September 1996, the WCBS became a member of the Association of Recognised International Sports Federations (ARISF).
• On February 5, 1998, the IOC finally granted full recognition to the WCBS, which meant in part that billiard sports would be treated henceforth as one sport
• In late1998, the International World Games Association (IWGA) decided to include billiard sports into the program of the 2001 Akita World Games, with four medals to be competed for in carom, pool and snooker. Following the inclusion of billiard sports in the World Games, the lobby then focused on getting billiards into the program of the Olympic Games. It’s now seven years since we joined the World Games, but the dream of moving on into the Olympics continues to elude our sport.

What We Do Now

With 2016 out of the realm of possibility, I think the time has come for a more concerted to get billiards into the 2020 Olympics. And the time to begin this is now.

Although the official process appears to call for patient plodding and pleading within the Olympic system, we cannot leave this effort alone in the hands of the WCBS. We all have to do our share. Olympic officialdom will pay more attention if the entire international billiards community join the campaign, and if the campaign is more spirited and noisy. It’s time for everyone to know how big billiard sports – especially pool – really is in the planet.

Just how big is our sport?

Surveys have repeatedly shown that billiards has one of the highest participation rates among all sports. This significantly means that as many people play the sport as those who watch it. Most sports, like boxing and wrestling, are more to-be-watched than participatory. If in the Philippines, we have five million billiard players (according to an official survey), there must be easily over a hundred million all over the world who play billiards. This high degree of people participation in our sport should count for something in the Olympic calculus.

Second, billiards is global. While certain Olympic sports are just the specialty and passion of a few countries – like fencing and archery – billiards is indisputably a global sport. Arabs play billiards as avidly as Europeans, Americans and Asians. The Chinese and the Indians, who between them number 2.5 billion, have taken up the sport in a big way. Nowhere is this more palpable and visible than in the WPA world championship events. Name any continent and region of the world and you will find scores of eager and accomplished players.

Third, if a direct comparison were to be made between billiards and other sports already in the Olympic program, our sport will doubtless emerge as way, way more popular and exciting. Olympic officialdom should be made to realize that by adding billiards into the competition, it will whip up more spectator interest, more excitement and more competitiveness.

The point is we need to make a stronger case for the inclusion of billiards in the Olympics. And the way to do this is to bring out the trumpet, spread the word, get the media more involved, and catch people’s attention.

The 2020 Olympics is a good target to aim for because the next five to 10 years will be a period of dynamic growth for billiards, especially for pool. Asia and the Middle East are emerging as the new hotbed of our sport. All over Europe, the EPBF and its member associations are finding more players and fans eager to support events. The US is getting re-energized by the new eagerness of the Billiard Congress of America to lead and the hunger of Americans to be champions again. And more and bigger international tournaments are being held as pool is catching more interest from sponsors.

In sum, the demographics of billiards is great. Fan and player interest is well-spread across the world. And we are a sunrise sport that is growing, not contracting, with every passing year.

If we shout the news, Olympic officialdom will hear us. And who knows, maybe the doors will finally open.
 
It is always easy to look a things from within. While it is true that pool has a good following, it is contained within a few selected regions in the globe. It is like asking restaurants world-wide to always have chopsticks as a ready eating utensil because of the number of Chinese in the world.

The Olympic parade will humble even the above average student of geography, and it will shake any claims that pool holds a vast demographic representation.

Looking at the structure of IOC/WCBS/WPA tree, one will see that WPA still needs a lot of conquering to do in over 130 participating countries of the Olympic games. Perhaps the system and the geographical influence that WCBS/WPA thrives in -- perhaps it is the best they can do -- is just not enough for the IOC.

The problem is that there are many rationalizations that we can object with in what are now already integrated in the IOC (like equestrian, archery, etc), and we can do little about the arguments. Pool has to stand in line, and when our turn comes up, we have to show demographics and fairness in how the sport is being conducted.

With the high cost of airfares and accommodations, it will be hard for us to reach out to a Micronesian pool whiz to join qualifiers, even with efforts to have him brought by his government. WCBS/WPA will have to find a way to conquer virgin areas. All these sanction fees paid to a non-profit WPA can probably be put into good use by giving back to the sport with introducing new players from new places to us. We know that it is financially impossible to span the world all at once, but a sincere effort to reach out may matter to IOC. Perhaps technology can be used to assess, qualify, and sponsor new assets into the sport (by video).

We all have to embrace the new participants (like the emerging Vietnamese pool players), develop them and integrate them into our Olympic dream. We should have more Tony Dragos who gallantly represents his country practically all by his lonesome.

I believe that there is now an administrative fatigue in the way pool is being ran because of the lack of dynamism, focus, altruism and accountability.
 
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sputnik said:
... pool has a good following, it is contained within a few selected regions in the globe. ...
It is not pool that is hoping to get into the Summer Olympic Games. It is "billiard sports" which have a much wider representation throughout the world. You may want to visit the WCBS site and go over some of the background material.
 
Maybe we can play pool on a pool table made out of ice and qualify for winter Olympics! The only modification to the game with be to disallow jump shots less they shove the stick through the table and it comes crashing down.

I think Pool in Olympic is never going to happen. At least not in my life time. Would you still continue to give it all to a game that you see no light at the end of the tunnel?
 
Maybe we can play pool on a pool table made out of ice and qualify for winter Olympics! The only modification to the game with be to disallow jump shots less they shove the stick through the table and it comes crashing down.

I think Pool in Olympic is never going to happen. At least not in my life time. Would you still continue to give it all to a game that you see no light at the end of the tunnel?

I had to come back to this fairly old thread to quote you and comment on the fact that phenolic cues are now banned, and I thought how funny it'd be to play on ice with a phenolic tip and create a ton of little half moon shapes on the ice...I'm weird, I know.
 
When it does get in, it will probably be speed pool that makes it.

With little girls with colorful streamers running around artistically in the background.
 
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Pool in the Olympics would be great.

Pool in the Olympics is a child hood dream of mine.
It would be a big boost for the Sport of Pool. Just think how exciting the "Mosconi Cup" is; pulling for the US.
In the Olympics you would pull for the player in the individual event and the Team in the Team event. Countries can take the top three money players in their Countries and they would represent their Country in the what ever pool event.
They can take the top three 9-ball players, 8-ball, 14-1, one pocket, snooker, banks. This most likely would create more tournaments over a three period. Also playing for the Gold, Silver & Bronze would be a great Honor for any pool player and it would lead to great sponsorships.
(It would be the Best thing that ever could happen to Pool.)
 
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