Thinkin' 'bout last night
No foul on the floor
Just makes me sore
And I ended up in a fight
pool is so lame
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Thinkin' 'bout last night
No foul on the floor
Just makes me sore
And I ended up in a fight
Behind the head string someone said, is that in the rules that I just read.
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Missed it by a post.
( Your u tube videos are great.)
Missed it by a post.
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This is going good!! Good one! Thanks, JB
In '91, Tony Ellin knocked a 5-ball off the table....it re-spotted, no foul.
...in a major tournament.
So object ball off the table 'no foul' has been around longer than you'd think.
I was one of the complainers that had that rule changed....I ran qualifiers
for that tournament....and any ball on the floor was a foul.
So I think it is good that a player of your stature is speaking up.
And while you and Lou are at it...write a song....I got the title...
...Bar Rules Blues....
oh, man, I just cannot do country. I'm better at haiku than country.
at the bar last night
a ball leaps onto the floor
a beer bottle breaks
Lou Figueroa
Mr. Brumback;
Are you really talking pool rules in August?
Howzabout you and Ingo from Germany and me go catch a bass instead?
Isn't that a better idea for an August afternoon?
less rules. :thumbup:
we can either use the boat or I know you enjoy the banks.
best,
brian kc
They aint a bitin round here
angry: JB
Actually I have counted 10.3 zillion ways to play 8 ball:wink:
Hope your well buddy, miss ya,
take care,
eric
In memory of me two Irish grandmothers....I'm goin' with Limerick...
There once was a player from Chi'
Who once lost hill/hill to a bye
He said "I don't think I'm able
to keep the balls on the table
But if they make it a rule, I'll try."
Next...:wink:
Love the subject line of the post! "Pool is so lame"
I think I heard the 10.3 zillionth and one rule this last weekend. Playing bar 8-ball, with a full length house stick I made a jump bank combination. A low percentage awesome shot! The guy I was playing said that it was a foul if the cue ball wasn't touching the felt at all times. The guy was an idiot that didn't want to admit he didn't like losing to a girl. I hate pool!
I think I heard the 10.3 zillionth and one rule this last weekend. Playing bar 8-ball, with a full length house stick I made a jump bank combination. A low percentage awesome shot! The guy I was playing said that it was a foul if the cue ball wasn't touching the felt at all times. The guy was an idiot that didn't want to admit he didn't like losing to a girl. I hate pool!
I honestly think a manual entitled, "The Common Sense and Absolute Rules of All Major Pool Games" or "The Rules of Pool, BY AND FOR, the Serious Player" by John Brumback.....should be your next endeavor.
I'd be willing to write/edit it for free, based upon your dictation and common sense knowledge of the sport. As to selling it to a publisher, I'm sure we could find a connection or two on this board.
Correct grammar and sentence structure has always been my strength.
I don't know how the BCA would like it, however. Then again, if you get Griffin, Sullivan, Daulton, Chris Miller, the Mid-West 9-Ball Tour folks.....basically anyone that's a hardcore U.S. tournament promoter in the sport.....all in a room, Skype, or conference call and hash everything out, perhaps we could make some progress.
One thing that holds a bit of progress back, I believe, however......is the difference between a coin-op table and "open" ones. If you're in a bar and a ball goes down, no one wants to pump the table full of quarters to bring a ball back up.
I'm on the board of my statewide pool league. We use 99% BCA rules. After some grumblings and a "situation" that was witnessed by myself in the prior season, we decided to go to a "rack your own" format. The reaction ended up being pretty mixed. Most of the hardcore players loved it, because if they slugged themselves, they had no one to blame but themselves. It relieved some stress when players thought that certain other players were intentionally slugging folks.
Now, many of the lower level and/or not-quite-as-serious players didn't like it. There were several factors:
1. They felt that since they were racking that they had just lost. This has been ingrained into them by bar room play. Ya know, loser racks. Blame this on the culture.
2. If a player racked his own and then the 9-ball (for example) goes in on the snap, the breaker felt a tinge of guilt/embarrassment. They also felt that their opponent thought they were cheating, even though the opponent had the clear option to look/approve the rack before the other player completed the break. (There is no room for a conscience or sympathy in pool, in my opinion, so this didn't bother me a lick)
3. A lot of players just don't have the knowledge or patience to rack the balls correctly/tightly. Laziness starts to rare it's ugly head here. Racking your own, after slugging yourself a dozen times, should be a signal for a player to ask another player, "Hey, I need some help learning how to rack correctly. Would you mind showing me the proper way?" That was our main intention by this rule.
4. Full-blown laziness. Some people just flat out hate to rack. I offer no sympathy for them. I despise these people, as a matter of fact. To me, they don't respect the game. Racking isn't actually rocket science, but there is a certain art to it. Not learning how to do this is a sure-fire sign of a poor, lazy or uninformed player. Yes, I said it.
As a board member, I ALWAYS take the time to ask different players in the league as to what they like or dislike about their experiences and the rules/format. I then bring up those things to the other board members. I've told myself that I'd vote for whatever the majority of the players wanted, in almost every case, even if I didn't particularly like it myself.
HOWEVER, there are a couple of things that I will vote according to my conscience, simply because I think the "culture" of the game needs to change. If the rules stay that way long enough, players will either learn to like them and stick around, hate them and stick around, hate them and quit......or the culture changes, and as new players come into the league, they won't know any different.
There really needs to be a weekend sit-down with the major U.S. promoters of the sport. Hash it all out for every discipline and then forumulate a plan to indoctrinate (ugh, I hate that word, but....) the youth/newcomers to the sport.
Because in essence, once the youth grows up playing the game the right way, then they won't know any different. This is much like the generation of bar bangers who grew up thinking that you could kick at a ball, not touch a rail, and then suffer no penalty for it.
At this point, if every single pool tournament in the U.S. that used a coin-op table went by one set of rules.......and there was one other separate set for "open/non-coin op" tables.......we'd be leaps and bounds ahead of where we are now.
I'd be willing to write/edit it for free, based upon your dictation and common sense knowledge of the sport. As to selling it to a publisher, I'm sure we could find a connection or two on this board.
Correct grammar and sentence structure has always been my strength.
I don't know how the BCA would like it, however. Then again, if you get Griffin, Sullivan, Daulton, Chris Miller, the Mid-West 9-Ball Tour folks.....basically anyone that's a hardcore U.S. tournament promoter in the sport.....all in a room, Skype, or conference call and hash everything out, perhaps we could make some progress.
One thing that holds a bit of progress back, I believe, however......is the difference between a coin-op table and "open" ones. If you're in a bar and a ball goes down, no one wants to pump the table full of quarters to bring a ball back up.
I'm on the board of my statewide pool league. We use 99% BCA rules. After some grumblings and a "situation" that was witnessed by myself in the prior season, we decided to go to a "rack your own" format. The reaction ended up being pretty mixed. Most of the hardcore players loved it, because if they slugged themselves, they had no one to blame but themselves. It relieved some stress when players thought that certain other players were intentionally slugging folks.
Now, many of the lower level and/or not-quite-as-serious players didn't like it. There were several factors:
1. They felt that since they were racking that they had just lost. This has been ingrained into them by bar room play. Ya know, loser racks. Blame this on the culture.
2. If a player racked his own and then the 9-ball (for example) goes in on the snap, the breaker felt a tinge of guilt/embarrassment. They also felt that their opponent thought they were cheating, even though the opponent had the clear option to look/approve the rack before the other player completed the break. (There is no room for a conscience or sympathy in pool, in my opinion, so this didn't bother me a lick)
3. A lot of players just don't have the knowledge or patience to rack the balls correctly/tightly. Laziness starts to rare it's ugly head here. Racking your own, after slugging yourself a dozen times, should be a signal for a player to ask another player, "Hey, I need some help learning how to rack correctly. Would you mind showing me the proper way?" That was our main intention by this rule.
4. Full-blown laziness. Some people just flat out hate to rack. I offer no sympathy for them. I despise these people, as a matter of fact. To me, they don't respect the game. Racking isn't actually rocket science, but there is a certain art to it. Not learning how to do this is a sure-fire sign of a poor, lazy or uninformed player. Yes, I said it.
As a board member, I ALWAYS take the time to ask different players in the league as to what they like or dislike about their experiences and the rules/format. I then bring up those things to the other board members. I've told myself that I'd vote for whatever the majority of the players wanted, in almost every case, even if I didn't particularly like it myself.
HOWEVER, there are a couple of things that I will vote according to my conscience, simply because I think the "culture" of the game needs to change. If the rules stay that way long enough, players will either learn to like them and stick around, hate them and stick around, hate them and quit......or the culture changes, and as new players come into the league, they won't know any different.
There really needs to be a weekend sit-down with the major U.S. promoters of the sport. Hash it all out for every discipline and then forumulate a plan to indoctrinate (ugh, I hate that word, but....) the youth/newcomers to the sport.
Because in essence, once the youth grows up playing the game the right way, then they won't know any different. This is much like the generation of bar bangers who grew up thinking that you could kick at a ball, not touch a rail, and then suffer no penalty for it.
At this point, if every single pool tournament in the U.S. that used a coin-op table went by one set of rules.......and there was one other separate set for "open/non-coin op" tables.......we'd be leaps and bounds ahead of where we are now.
I hate racking
Some rule or rules about racking should never have to be part of a pool game.Racking the damn balls should have nothing to do with a pool game.That is so stupid I can't even put it into words:angry:You've been around too many pros lately,imo. Thanks but i'll just stick with my ole tried and true rules of bank pool. Full rack and you have to play safe off of the break.Then you can just throw em up there any ole way. I promise I will never check your rack:thumbup: Thanks for the kind words.I would like to rewrite a bunch of em. I do know the way the rules should be. I'm a rules stickler,lol. John B.
I hate racking
Racking gives me a backache.......
No kidding little buddy. Lame I tell ya! JB
I'm with ya Johnny B. So many times I've seen arguments in one pocket over rules. If you don't specify certain things before the match it can really get ugly.
But I would bet real high that over 50% of Golfers don't know the rules of golf.
But I would bet real high that over 50% of Golfers don't know the rules of golf.
No bet.... unless they can play. Most "golfers" can't break 95
. Tell everyone over there JB says hi.
Try and tell the leopard to Not look for and advantage :scratchhead: and I'll tell ya the Only way they catch prey :wink:
It's one of the core problems with pool. players
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I hate racking
The only pro I've hung around is you, JB. :thumbup:
Ok, that's not true. Now, you are the one I've spent the most time with. But, I do remember you telling me to study the pro's. Not watch them. Study them. Bridges. Shot selection. Cue angle. Grip. Stance. Etc. I just figured racking the balls was part of that.
But, seriously, it's never bothered me to rack a set of balls and I don't guess I understand why people hate it or even argue over it so much. It's part of the game.
We don't have the overall quality of players here in Arkansas that other states do. I hate to have to say that, but honestly, from my travels here and there, and then running into players from other states.....it's a pretty safe assumption.
As an example: I played a young guy one day in a tournament over a year ago. I check every rack. It's just my thing. It gives me an idea where to break from and as long as I know that my opponent has at least attempted to give me a respectable rack, I never say a word. I just look to see what's been given to me and then work with it.
However, this kid.....and he was a kid.....was maybe 15 years old. He put the balls in the triangle rolled them up and just pulled it off. I walked around to look at it......and there was NOT ONE SINGLE BALL TOUCHING ANY OTHER BALL. I looked at everything nook and cranny, simply because I couldn't believe it. These weren't hairline gaps, either. These were full blown, 1/16" - 1/8" gaps EVERYWHERE. I just shook my head and told the kid, "Honestly, I hate to have to say this, but ya gotta do better than that." He then confessed to me that no one had ever shown him how to do it. He hadn't played very much. So, I took the time, during a tournament, to show him how to properly rack for not only himself, but for his opponent.
He then proceeded to beat me, because the handicap was huge, not to mention that he slammed the 9-ball on EVERY shot. But, I digress.....
BTW, the above anecdote is why Bank Pool and 1-pocket are easily my 2 favorite disciplines.
Nothing but love for ya, JB! :thumbup:
how many home runs Barry Bonds would hit if he pitched to himself?
Racking your own balls is like pitching to yourself playing baseball. imo
I wonder how many home runs Barry Bonds would hit if he pitched to himself?
I would also like to see the look on Mosconi's face if he was told he had to rack his own balls. That would be a "Kodak Moment" for sure.
I hate racking
Racking your own balls is like pitching to yourself playing baseball. imo
I wonder how many home runs Barry Bonds would hit if he pitched to himself?
I would also like to see the look on Mosconi's face if he was told he had to rack his own balls.
That would be a "Kodak Moment" for sure.
this happened a few months back:
Champion A is racking for Champion B
B says to A "Would you rack like that for yourself" A replies "No Id rack them the way i want them to be". B then says "Why are you doing this to me?" A says "I want to win"
A beat B that night, the difference was about $2500. There was no saver, it was cheating IMO.
Racking for your self when i started playing pool in the 80's never would have happened, then fast forward to todays world and its all there is "Rack your own". What happened? How did we get here?
I'm asking these questions looking for a answer, not joking around. IMO CJ is right its like pitching to yourself, A beat B that night. It's bad for pool. Its not possible to have a neutral racker all the time.
best
eric
EDIT: A & B are VERY well known players, top top top tier guys.
Champion A is racking for Champion B
B says to A "Would you rack like that for yourself" A replies "No Id rack them the way i want them to be". B then says "Why are you doing this to me?" A says "I want to win"
A beat B that night, the difference was about $2500. There was no saver, it was cheating IMO.
Racking for your self when i started playing pool in the 80's never would have happened, then fast forward to todays world and its all there is "Rack your own". What happened? How did we get here?
I'm asking these questions looking for a answer, not joking around. IMO CJ is right its like pitching to yourself, A beat B that night. It's bad for pool. Its not possible to have a neutral racker all the time.
best
eric
EDIT: A & B are VERY well known players, top top top tier guys.
I made it very clear in loose rack situations by doing this. I'll walk up to one of my opponents supposed Good racks and try and let him speak first, if not say ''Does this look good'' pointing at the Gap, if he says yeah, say cool. Then ask em point blank.... is it ok/or not....for me to rack the same with the front ball loose? The response you'll get will have to be Clear, one way or the other. Especially since you gave em a choice ok, or not :thumbup: