Pool league drama

You took the high road! You didn't take the bait and drop down to his level. Douches like the other team captain gives league players a bad rep. I wouldn't be surprised if he tried to pull that move on other teams. As for the pool owner, he may want to take a good hard look as this guys could be bad for business. I know I wouldn't want to play in a poolhall or league where people act like this.
 
I've got a really good idea who you had the issue with and avoiding an ensuing argument was the wise thing to do. It could have gotten pretty nasty. ...but it sounds like you had the right to continue on shooting the way you described the action.
 
I'm a big believer in "goes to the shooter" if you can't agree. I agree with everything 8onthebreak said.

Drama avoidance is why I usually don't call double hits. 99% of players, even good ones, don't know how to spot a double hit (eg. The CB and ob are say an inch or less apart, and after the hit the CB speeds down the table at about the same speed as the ob). Just after the double hit, the guy that did it is in no mood to hear a lesson on this.
 
I do not think taking the high road is the right thing to do. You play by the rules. I have seen the situation happen so many times. I am a team captain and do a lot of the score keeping so I am paying attention. I have seen many times where a player did not feel they fouled but gave up their turn. I have seen obvious fouls where the shooter swore it wasn't a foul and kept shooting. It goes both ways. Unless someone is asked specifically to watch a hit. The call goes to the shooter. I guess the rules should be revised to stop players from arguing. Example. Player A shoots a shot. Player B or one of their team mates calls a foul. Player A may ask if anyone else saw a foul that maybe they did not knowingly commit. If Player A doesn't feel he fouled, he informs Player B of his call and keeps shooting. At that point there should be no more said about the call. If you want to clean up leagues than hold either Player B or their team mate accountable buy either loss of game or writing them up. Players ruin leagues.
 
I played league tennis for years when I was a kid. Many matches are played with no spectators and of course no ref, so the players call whether a ball is out or not.

In tennis it's the opposite of "goes to the shooter". Instead it's "the guy receiving the ball can call it out". Where it gets controversial are shots that go just long, because the hitter is too far away to see if it went out, but of course the receiver has a serious conflict of interest...
 
You could have avoid the drama but saying I'm sorry, you're wrong, I did not foul. I'm now calling the last ball, take the shot, and the game is over.

Without a ref, than it's up to the shooter to admit if a foul occurred when asked. If he says no, than no foul.

Are you sure that your league plays foul on ALL balls ? very rare indeed.
 
ChicagoRJ said:
You could have avoid the drama but saying I'm sorry, you're wrong, I did not foul. I'm now calling the last ball, take the shot, and the game is over.

Without a ref, than it's up to the shooter to admit if a foul occurred when asked. If he says no, than no foul.

Are you sure that your league plays foul on ALL balls ? very rare indeed.
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I started this thread because I want to show it to the board in this local league in hopes of a rule change. Yes it is all ball fouls and it is a terrible rule.

What could be worse than people getting fouls called on them that they really have no idea they committed?

Not only is it all ball fouls but if you have ball in hand and and you reposition the cue ball with your shaft, that is also a foul.

I play because I like to stay in stroke and enjoy the friends I have in the league. I'm really just trying to improve the league and reduce the drama.


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I probably would have done the same thing. I play in a few leagues and, unfortunately,
most leagues have a guy like this. I play to have fun and try to get a little better and it usually isn't worth the trouble with these guys. They suck the fun right out of it. my problem is, I could never lie and say I saw something I didn't. Doesn't matter what is on the line. I almost knocked my team out of playoffs last year by calling a foul on myself that no one else saw. My team picked me up. Calling all ball fouls in a trophy league is probably not smart. Opens too many doors just for this type of arguments.
Andy
 
Luxury said:
I started this thread because I want to show it to the board in this local league in hopes of a rule change. Yes it is all ball fouls and it is a terrible rule.

What could be worse than people getting fouls called on them that they really have no idea they committed?

Not only is it all ball fouls but if you have ball in hand and and you reposition the cue ball with your shaft, that is also a foul.

I play because I like to stay in stroke and enjoy the friends I have in the league. I'm really just trying to improve the league and reduce the drama.


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Well, if they are gonna have all ball fouls, they are gonna need a bunch of refs !! And make sure that everyone knows that if the shooter says he did not foul, then it is not a foul.

I have guys hit the cue ball during practice strokes, than shoot really fast in hopes of no foul call. The last guy said he did not hit the cb, and I said, hey, if you need to cheat again me, I feel honored, have at it buddy, and just walk away. Technically, there was nothing I could do, and an argument was not gonna change the facts. But at least he knew I knew that he cheated.... and next time we played, I called a ref over on just about every shot he had... he got the message :)
 
ChicagoRJ said:
Well, if they are gonna have all ball fouls, they are gonna need a bunch of refs !! And make sure that everyone knows that if the shooter says he did not foul, then it is not a foul.

I have guys hit the cue ball during practice strokes, than shoot really fast in hopes of no foul call. The last guy said he did not hit the cb, and I said, hey, if you need to cheat again me, I feel honored, have at it buddy, and just walk away. Technically, there was nothing I could do, and an argument was not gonna change the facts. But at least he knew I knew that he cheated.... and next time we played, I called a ref over on just about every shot he had... he got the message :)
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I'm glad he got the message. BS like this doesn't fly for long. Pool community is too small to get away with being a biaaatch.


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We have the Plateau Pool league east of Tacoma , we have a fun league , call pocket , no ball in hand , If someone moves a ball , its just put back where it should have been . and we have guys still hiding the cue ball , which safeties are usually worthless , 99 % offence . We did have a change in rules this year , Open after the Break . We have fun , and a Big Banquit Dinner at the end with Trophies .
 
Luxury said:
I started this thread because I want to show it to the board in this local league in hopes of a rule change. Yes it is all ball fouls and it is a terrible rule.

What could be worse than people getting fouls called on them that they really have no idea they committed?

Not only is it all ball fouls but if you have ball in hand and and you reposition the cue ball with your shaft, that is also a foul.

I play because I like to stay in stroke and enjoy the friends I have in the league. I'm really just trying to improve the league and reduce the drama.


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It is generally ALWAYS a foul to touch the cueball with the ferrule, but only a doushebag would call that foul, IMO. It's a necessary rule to avoid arguments between...I shot at it and miscued... And, I was just moving the cueball into position. The end of the cue should be considered hot...and shouldn't touch the cueball unless it is striking it.

If you are in the habit of moving the cueball with your ferrule, you should stop :-)
Your shaft will thank you too...I know we all do it tho
 
8onthebreak said:
It is generally ALWAYS a foul to touch the cueball with the ferrule, but only a doushebag would call that foul, IMO. It's a necessary rule to avoid arguments between...I shot at it and miscued... And, I was just moving the cueball into position. The end of the cue should be considered hot...and shouldn't touch the cueball unless it is striking it.

If you are in the habit of moving the cueball with your ferrule, you should stop :-)
Your shaft will thank you too...I know we all do it tho
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I didn't say ferrule, I said shaft and I see pros move the cue ball with their shaft constantly with ball in hand.


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8onthebreak said:
It is generally ALWAYS a foul to touch the cueball with the ferrule, but only a doushebag would call that foul, IMO.
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"Players may use any part of the cue stick to move the cue ball, including the tip, but not with a forward stroke motion."
http://www.wpa-pool.com/web/the_rules_of_play#1.5

From WPA rules, which agree with the BCA rules.

Touching the cueball with whatever part of your cue is just fine (while ball in hand), as long as you are not stroking it.

And if there IS a foul, you don't need to be a douche to call it. Quite the contrary: only a douche let's fouls happen, giving him the moral upper hand to complain about them later on.

But obviously these kind of things are not fouls. If they are fouls in your local league, I strongly suggest you take action to change the rules of your home league.
 
Jim Baxter said:
We have the Plateau Pool league east of Tacoma , we have a fun league , call pocket , no ball in hand , If someone moves a ball , its just put back where it should have been . and we have guys still hiding the cue ball , which safeties are usually worthless , 99 % offence . We did have a change in rules this year , Open after the Break . We have fun , and a Big Banquit Dinner at the end with Trophies .
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Bless You Jim, and Your League .... Having Fun should be the first order of business.

Our local League went to full-blown BCA Rules this year and it is working out pretty
good so far, with only minimal complaints (usually from the drunks). We have a Big
Banquet at the end, with tons of Tropies and Raffle Prizes. Keep Having Fun !
 
We aren't supposed to, but sometimes it helps to use what you know about the other guy
to help you decide whether to call (or accept) a foul.

There's supposed to be a black'n'white procedure
(something like, it always goes to the shooter) but basically, in the situation described
I would use my knowledge of the other team's captain if I had any.

If he's someone who I know is honest all day (and especially if we're friendly)
then I assume he's telling the truth.
If it's someone I have caught pulling stunts and trying to gain sleazy advantages before
then I would refuse to give up the table unless someone more trustworthy states they also saw it.
 
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