Pool Myths Explained

Ron Swanson said:
Sigh.

Perhaps you can answer me this. There are thousands of long range, slowly struck safety shots in a snooker championships. How many of these produce a noticable kick? Very, very few. Those are caused by chalk/hairs/fluff/whatever.

Now, think about how many bad contacts there are with short range shots around the black spot, where the player feels position has been compromised through the reaction of the balls upon contact. Very, very many. They are caused by poor cueing.

Kicks through chalk alone should be consistent whatever the shot, yet this is clearly not the case.

The conclusion is clear: strike the CB cleanly and you'll have nothing to worry about.
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Per your request, this post means nothing until you post a video. :thumbup:
 
Of you playing.. if you play. :smile:

I'm kinda busy at work, so don't let me interrupt a nice trolling.
 
Ron Swanson said:
What on earth does that have to do with kicks in pro snooker?

Trolling indeed. :rolleyes:
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Let me spell out your own posts for you..

You tell others they need to show that they can play to know what they're talking about.

You then act like you know what you're talking about.

You finish it up by refusing to post a video of you playing.

I think you've got about the same skill as your Banned-In-Law friends - JB and Champ. Either that, or you're unable to connect dots.

How about I just finish it with this..

Myth - Thaiger can play.

Back to the ignore pile with another one of your worthless, no-playing names.
 
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Banks said:
Let me spell out your own posts for you..

You tell others they need to show that they can play to know what they're talking about.

You then act like you know what you're talking about.

You finish it up by refusing to post a video of you playing.

I think you've got about the same skill as your Banned-In-Law friends - JB and Champ. Either that, or you're unable to connect dots.

How about I just finish it with this..

Myth - Thaiger can play.
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Would you care to provide the posts to evidence this? Or is this a figment of your imagination and obsession?

And who the hell is banks? :confused:
 
The player playing for 10k put up by a stakehorse is a bigtime gambler. He is not, the stakehorse is. The player that bets his own 10k is a true gambler. If there were no stakehoses top players would be playing for $20 a game...maybe, and/or $100 or less sets...just like you and me. Johnnyt
 
What a bunch of hooey. Of course there are bad rolls. It's all about odds. No one, not even the top to ever play the game is 100% on everything. If you hit the exact same shot 10 times in a row you'll get 10 different results. If we had the ability to choose which one we liked the best then I'd agree we'd be dumb to pick the one that resulted in a bad position. Unfortunately by chance sometimes you do get that 1/4 ball off position, or slight tick off a ball, or a bumped tit that you may or may have not done the other 9 or 99 times.

Then of course there are other "bad rolls" like when your opponent misses and leaves you hooked.

You can't say there are no bad rolls without saying there's no such thing as good rolls, and every single person here every single time they've ever played in their life has had a least 1 "good" roll. Sometimes s#@t happens good or bad beyond our ability to control it. Just a fact of life...



miscrewed89 said:
Rolls...
In my opinion very few things happen in billiards by chance. Players will say, "I just got some bad rolls," or "he got all the rolls!"
well, I believe 99% (or more) of what happens on the pool table is a reaction to an action. You hooked yourself? It wasn't a bad roll, you hit it bad. The cue ball caromed off 2 balls and scratched in the side? Not a bad roll, that's the way you hit it. Your opponent slams into the 1 ball sending it and the cue ball multiple rails, caroming off multiple balls, eventually pocketing the 9 ball. Well, if you hadn't left the cue ball there he wouldn't have had that shot.
Yes, I believe rolls, for the most part, are a myth.
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So is the center of the object ball NOT a reference point?

Has anyone ever actually said there's only one way to play pool? Makes me wonder if there's really more ways to "skin a cat". ;)

One way to grip a cue? That seems impossible considering everyone's hand and fingers are different.....and from what I can tell EVERYONE's grip on the cue is different.....however there are some great common denominators to generate power AND precision.

So is the center of the object ball NOT a reference point?
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duckie said:
The myth of a 1/4, 1/2, 3/4 hit on the object ball.

Impossible to hit 1/2 a ball.

The myth that there is only way to play pool.

The myth that there is only one way to grip the cue.

The Myth the there are reference points on the balls.
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True

All rail shots are half ball shots. Know that and never miss again on the rail.
Pool is applied astro physics on a 2 diminsional plain. Newtons changes everything and yet remains constant.
Thus the center ball. Learn it. Live it. Love it.
Simplified for the rug rats, just because you hit exactly where you are aiming it will not insure the balls will go where you think the should.
Good luck with that by the way!
C.J. wish we met when you and Scottie were killing everything in sight.
Cheers,
Nick :)
 
nick serdula said:
Pool is applied astro physics on a 2 diminsional plain.
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Pooper spealling and write word yous is optional in pool forums ... oh wait, dat aint no mith :lol:

Dave <-- just having fun and trying to get to page 12 ... and succeeding in only one
 
sometimes I wish it would never have ended.....and other times ......

That's right, and why there can't be a literal "aiming system" in pool. The spin, speed and deflection make it virtually impossible to "hit where you're aiming" on the object ball, the only thing we can even attempt to master is hitting the CUE BALL where we're aiming......the rest will all naturally adjust with the proper techniques.

Thanks, Nick, yeah, I only fabricate the stories where I kill the alligator for my boots and jackets.....Scottie actually did it for real. We had a blast in the 80s gambling and running around the country, sometimes I wish it would never have ended.....and other times I'm glad it did . ;)



nick serdula said:
All rail shots are half ball shots. Know that and never miss again on the rail.
Pool is applied astro physics on a 2 diminsional plain. Newtons changes everything and yet remains constant.
Thus the center ball. Learn it. Live it. Love it.
Simplified for the rug rats, just because you hit exactly where you are aiming it will not insure the balls will go where you think the should.
Good luck with that by the way!
C.J. wish we met when you and Scottie were killing everything in sight.
Cheers,
Nick :)
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RussPrince said:
What a bunch of hooey. Of course there are bad rolls.
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Yes, there are bad rolls. But many of them are a result of poor shot selection. Like trying to go one rail for a position area that's only a couple of inches across vs. going three rails to land in a big position area.

Chances are you're going to go one inch too far with the one-rail position, get hooked...and call it a bad roll. But it was actually poor shot selection.

I know this from lots of experience. :-)
 
bdorman said:
Yes, there are bad rolls. But many of them are a result of poor shot selection. Like trying to go one rail for a position area that's only a couple of inches across vs. going three rails to land in a big position area.

Chances are you're going to go one inch too far with the one-rail position, get hooked...and call it a bad roll. But it was actually poor shot selection.

I know this from lots of experience. :-)
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These aren't what I'd call bad rolls. Bad rolls are caused by slight deviations in the surfaces that we mistakenly assume are perfect and uniform. They fall under the realm of chaos and are entirely out of our control. Usually the effects are unnoticeable, but sometimes they are cumulative and cause a ball to roll just flat out funny.

Chaos affects the outcome of all events. I remember my biology mentor in college telling me that if you could play back the entire course of life on Earth, like winding back a gigantic spring and then letting it go, evolution would proceed along an entirely different course due to chaotic influences. You might call this the "Good roll - Bad roll" theory of the origin of life.
 
Sloppy Pockets said:
These aren't what I'd call bad rolls. Bad rolls are caused by slight deviations in the surfaces that we mistakenly assume are perfect and uniform. They fall under the realm of chaos and are entirely out of our control. ...
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In particular, Efren had two good rolls when he beat Appleton in the 2012 US Open 9 Ball. On one shot he was going to be hooked behind a ball near the spot, but as it was coming to a stop the cue ball hit the foot spot sticker and was deflected enough to leave a shot. And then there was the 9 ball he slopped in after a pretty good safe by Darren (IIRC). Sometimes what Efren says about getting lucky is true.
 
Banks said:
Let me spell out your own posts for you..

You tell others they need to show that they can play to know what they're talking about.

You then act like you know what you're talking about.

You finish it up by refusing to post a video of you playing.

I think you've got about the same skill as your Banned-In-Law friends - JB and Champ. Either that, or you're unable to connect dots.

How about I just finish it with this..

Myth - Thaiger can play.

Back to the ignore pile with another one of your worthless, no-playing names.
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Thaiger did post a nice link to the blog about contacts but it seems that the blokes can't make up their mind about kicks. :thumbup:

JoeyA
 
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