Pool playing gangster of the 1920's

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If you are a fan of "Boardwalk Empire" There is a character named Arnold Rothstein. He was a real person as anyone knows who has ever heard of the 1919 world series fix. If you watch the series you see he is almost always at a pool table when ever he is at his office or home. The shows makers give the impression he is a good player and the actor can play a little as he portrays Mr. Rothstein.

This is based on a fact that he did play pool just under a professional level and loved to gamble at pool. There is a story that is based on fact that he beat a champion player from Philadelphia who was in NY in 1909. They played a marathon match that ran nonstop from 8 pm the evening of Thursday. Nov 18 to 4 am Sunday morning. Rothstein won a decisive victory and thousand of dollars were bet. This match was played in front of a large crowd of on lookers and is well documented.

Some say that knowing the nature of Rothstein the match may have been fixed, but either way it would still attest to his abilities with a cue to pull it off and make it look good. He was well know to be such a good player that it may very well have not been a fix. He was a man who could do most anything if he put his mind to it, thus his nickname "The Brain".

I get some of this story from the works of Marc Mappen an expert on Prohibition gangsters and author of "Prohibition Gangsters" "the rise and fall of a bad generation", who I have had contact with. As well as stories from my father who knew Rothstein and told me many stories about him and mentioned him playing pool all the time and how good he played. For perspective on these dates, my father was born in 1898 and came to the US from Italy in 1908. He was already an old man and retired when I was born.

My dad knew Rothstein from around 1918 till his death from a gunshot in 1928. It is said that Rothstein was shot over not paying a $320,000 gambling debt. This may have been assumed and made for a good story. My dad told me many years ago Rothstein was shot by just some nobody who he had screwed over regarding just a few hundred dollars. This would be a long list of suspects I am sure.

Rothstein owned a lot of property and was known to not be a very good landlord. No matter how big one may think they are, one well placed bullet by a nobody can bring them down to size. Rothstein on his death bed refused to say who shot him. When questioned he put his finger to his lips indicating he was not talking. So we will never know.
 
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If you are a fan of "Boardwalk Empire" There is a character named Arnold Rothstein. He was a real person as anyone knows who has ever heard of the 1919 world series fix. If you watch the series you see he is almost always at a pool table when ever he is at his office or home. The shows makers give the impression he is a good player and the actor can play a little as he portrays Mr. Rothstein.

This is based on a fact that he did play pool just under a professional level and loved to gamble at pool. There is a story that is based on fact that he beat a champion player from Philadelphia who was in NY in 1909. They played a marathon match that ran nonstop from 8 pm the evening of Thursday. Nov 18 to 4 am Sunday morning. Rothstein won a decisive victory and thousand of dollars were bet. This match was played in front of a large crowd of on lookers and is well documented.

Some say that knowing the nature of Rothstein the match may have been fixed, but either way it would still attest to his abilities with a cue to pull it off and make it look good. He was well know to be such a good player that it may very well have not been a fix. He was a man who could do most anything if he put his mind to it, thus his nickname "The Brain".

I get some of this story from the works of Marc Mappen an expert on Prohibition gangsters and author of "Prohibition Gangsters" "the rise and fall of a bad generation", who I have had contact with. As well as stories from my father who knew Rothstein and told me many stories about him and mentioned him playing pool all the time and how good he played. For perspective on these dates, my father was born in 1898 and came to the US from Italy in 1908. He was already an old man and retired when I was born.

My dad knew Rothstein from around 1918 till his death from a gunshot in 1928. It is said that Rothstein was shot over not paying a $320,000 gambling debt. This may have been assumed and made for a good story. My dad told me many years ago Rothstein was shot by just some nobody who he had screwed over regarding just a few hundred dollars. This would be a long list of suspects I am sure.

Rothstein owned a lot of property and was knows to not be a very good landlord. No matter how big one may think they are, one well placed bullet by a nobody can bring them down to size. Rothstein on his death bed refused to say who shot him. When questioned he put his finger to his lips indicating he was not talking. So we will never know.

Here is another thread about Rothstein and Boardwalk Empire ---> Don't Swallow a Cueball.



The video clip here is great ---> HERE
 
I remember on the show BE he was playing with Brunswick Centennials.... I don't think they were out quite that early:rolleyes:
 
I remember on the show BE he was playing with Brunswick Centennials.... I don't think they were out quite that early:rolleyes:

Add to that he is sometimes playing with a cue that looks like it could be a modern day Joss.
That is again the lack of knowledge of pool. I saw a segment where they talk about spending like 18 million building a replica of the Boardwalk as it looked in 1920 from old photos. Even the clothes are exact copies of what they would have been wearing back then.

Steve Buscemi said when you walk onto the set in your old clothes and every actor is in character it is like you went back in time. All that attention to detail and no one thinks people who know pool would not notice the modern day equipment. I find it a bit insulting they either don't know or don't care.

Maybe Al Capone should pull out an Usi instead of a Thompson you think anyone would notice? Of course they would, but with pool I guess they think people are just stupid. For a few hundred dollars they could have been more authentic from balls to cues to chalk. I guess they just have no idea.
 
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I'm sure there are hundred things that aren't historically accurate that we won't pick up on either but other special interest groups would. Could be cars, clothes or jewelry.... It's impossible to replicate something like that perfectly.
 
I'm sure there are hundred things that aren't historically accurate that we won't pick up on either but other special interest groups would. Could be cars, clothes or jewelry.... It's impossible to replicate something like that perfectly.
I like the site IMDB.com they have a section for most movies and shows for goofs. It is amazing the blatant mistakes they make. There is actually a book that just covers everything wrong with the Godfather. That iconic movie a mass of mistakes. People disappear and reappear from the room in scenes. Things are said that make no sense due to parts that were cut in editing. Below is an example. The book had hundreds more.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0068646/trivia?tab=gf&ref_=tt_trv_gf
 
Heard this too. Beard knows this story, I think.

Titanic, Hubert Cokes, and their associates (who I dont know), probably shot Rothstein. They beat him in a poker game and he wouldnt pay up because he though he got cheated ( ignoring the fact the he was a consistent cheater himself). I seen the newspaper clipping where it showed Ti and Cokes were picked up as suspects in the murder but were eventually released by the Grand Jury for lack of evidence.

Beard
 
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