Pool Tournament pay-outs verses Pro Bowling Tournament Pay-outs

[Cuebacca]

If bowling can get good enough ratings for that kind of sponsorship, there's no good reason why pool couldn't. Obviously I'm biased, but there's no way I'm believing that bowling is more entertaining to the masses as a spectator sport than pool. It's the same shot almost every time. :boring2: :boring2: :boring2:

 

[CocoboloCowboy]

I will try, and get more info today when the sun comes up.

 

[CocoboloCowboy]

105 bowlers at @$275 a pop with only $2,500 for first?????
What organization would sponsor such an event?

I searched all the Bowling orgs I could find and didn't find andy Western Regional Event in Arizona or neighboring states this past weekend.

Granted, this was not an professional search, just a Google search.

I don't doubt your post's info, it is just the details aren't easily backed up by an official BCA or USBA or even an amature league or Org.

It is still very far fetched that 105 bowlers would get together at $275 per and only have a 1st place of $2500 and only payout 16 finishers.


Hence the questions... sorry if it sounds like I don't believe you or your source, but those figures are very suspect.

And it would have answered my question you gave details that would include a news article or web source.

I googles, and here is YOUR LINK , Sorry there was only 103 Bowlers, Payout, etc. Posted.

$28,325 FEES.

Total Pay out 1-16th.$17,450

Over $10,000 in Expenses.

All the info is link at the LINK.

Point was pay $275.00 to enter, and Top Bowler got a Bare $2,500 BUCKS.

Think I will take local pool where it 7 Bucks to enter a small tournment, like the use to have a Metro, and winner get 75.00 Plus + Normally.

What did Johnny Archer get on the Shootout, at Kolby's was it not 12-15K on a 400 buck ENTRY.

 

[Rick S.]

Point was pay $275.00 to enter, and Top Bowler got a Bare $2,500 BUCKS.

Think I will take local pool where it 7 Bucks to enter a small tournment, like the use to have a Metro, and winner get 75.00 Plus + Normally.

What's the difference?....both are paying the same. Roughly 10 times the entry.

 

[CocoboloCowboy]

You mush have major in NEW MATH RICK, CRUNCH the number, and get back after you do the math again.


This was a Pro Bowling Event!

 

[Rick S.]

I have mushed it over...

You mush have major in NEW MATH RICK, CRUNCH the number, and get back after you do the math again.


This was a Pro Bowling Event!

You can't spell, or add.

7 x 10 = 70
275 x 10 = 2750

Like I said...roughly 10X the entry.

 

[cuechick]

If bowling can get good enough ratings for that kind of sponsorship, there's no good reason why pool couldn't. Obviously I'm biased, but there's no way I'm believing that bowling is more entertaining to the masses as a spectator sport than pool. It's the same shot almost every time. :boring2: :boring2: :boring2:

I agree with you but to the corporate world, bowling is considered more of a family sport. As long as pool halls are considered on par with bars, associated with smoking, gambling and drinking it will struggle for sponsorship. The lack of one cohesive men's tour, like the PBA has does not help either.

 

[akinnyz]

I usually try to shy away from CooCoo's posts... but professional bowling has only been profitable for about 10 years... Before major sponsorship deals were in place, PBA events would net the winner approximately $3500 for their $250 entry... and they didn't have huge companies sponsoring them... PBA Regional events are STILL piss poor as far as the money goes.

Clearly the event being written about was NOT a PBA event, or a PBA Regional event... OR have ANYTHING to do with pool as the subject suggests... Yet... here's reply # 28 on this off topic post.

 

[Still_Learning]

Bowling's easier to understand

If bowling can get good enough ratings for that kind of sponsorship, there's no good reason why pool couldn't. Obviously I'm biased, but there's no way I'm believing that bowling is more entertaining to the masses as a spectator sport than pool. It's the same shot almost every time.

Yes, but bowling's easier to understand for the unsophisticated viewer. Roll ball at pins, pins fall down. Once you get used to the idea that the bowlers usually hook the ball, and therefore start by aiming at the gutter, bowling couldn't be any simpler.

Pool is so much more than "knock white ball into colored ball and colored ball into pocket" that unsophisticated viewers don't get it. "If that guy's so great, why didn't he just shoot the easy shot?" How many times have you heard that one?

I understand about oil patterns and ball reactions and different ball drilling strategies and all that, so I know there's more to bowling than there seems to be. But you don't have to understand any of that to watch the pins fall down. Whereas, just try to watch a defensive game of eight-ball between expert players if all you know is "pocket the object balls."

In this way, pool is closer to games like chess, where deep strategy often means you make moves that seem stupid to the novice. There's no equivalent to deep strategy in bowling.

Or golf, for that matter.

 

[TXsouthpaw]

Don't know what event Coco would be talking about but it's definitely not a PBA pro tournament. Earnings for the top 20 PBA pro bowlers for 2008 are as follows:

1 Norm Duke 15 $176,855
2 Mika Koivuniemi 21 $159,580
3 Sean Rash 21 $151,500
4 Walter Ray Williams Jr 21 $144,220
5 Chris Barnes 21 $142,410
6 Wes Malott 18 $108,900
7 Patrick Allen 20 $107,680
8 Tommy Jones 21 $103,505
9 Michael Haugen Jr 14 $101,820
10 Mike Scroggins 21 $100,400
11 Mike Wolfe 21 $92,176
12 Steve Jaros 21 $89,575
13 Rhino Page 19 $84,811
14 Chris Loschetter 20 $84,776
15 Ryan Shafer 20 $78,810
16 Parker Bohn III 21 $76,550
17 Danny Wiseman 20 $65,300
18 Pete Weber 18 $64,700
19 Brad Angelo 17 $60,328
20 Robert Smith 18 $58,935

Parker Bohn III, listed at #16, has earned more than 2 million dollars since 1985. I know that Walter Ray Williams Jr. is probably close or even over 3 million. Not sure about how many others have reached the million dollar mark though. Just checked it, Walter Ray Williams Jr. is standing at 3.8million total earnings since 1980.
MULLY
Bowling is my other recreational getaway

If theres this much money in bowling WTF? is up with pool. We should be able to at least come close to that. Im pissed that pool is like the red headed stepchild of sports. Every sport i can think of has more money in it than pool. yet pool takes just as much if not more skill than these sports.
WTF????

Pool is the only sport i can think of that people spend theyre whole lives practicing, and for what? just to be good at something nobody cares about anyways. must be for the love of the game. still pisses me off though.

 

[mullyman]

Yes, but bowling's easier to understand for the unsophisticated viewer. Roll ball at pins, pins fall down. Once you get used to the idea that the bowlers usually hook the ball, and therefore start by aiming at the gutter, bowling couldn't be any simpler.

Pool is so much more than "knock white ball into colored ball and colored ball into pocket" that unsophisticated viewers don't get it. "If that guy's so great, why didn't he just shoot the easy shot?" How many times have you heard that one?

I understand about oil patterns and ball reactions and different ball drilling strategies and all that, so I know there's more to bowling than there seems to be. But you don't have to understand any of that to watch the pins fall down. Whereas, just try to watch a defensive game of eight-ball between expert players if all you know is "pocket the object balls."

In this way, pool is closer to games like chess, where deep strategy often means you make moves that seem stupid to the novice. There's no equivalent to deep strategy in bowling.

Or golf, for that matter.

You can try to knock bowling down to being something akin to just tossing a ball down the lane but remember that these pro bowlers toss that ball down that 16 meter lane at a 2 inch target at least 20 games a day 5-6 days a week. I've done 15 games before, trust me, if you don't train for it you're not getting through it.

Also, pool is nowhere near as interesting to watch for the avid viewer. Why? Because, and I'm agreeing with you on this, anyone can grab a bowling ball and roll it down a lane and knock the pins down. Pool actually takes weeks of practice before you can even come anywhere near even standing the right way. Joe Blow can get into bowling easier than pool. I remember back in the late 80's or early 90's that pool was the number 2 participatory sport for the average weekend warrior to get involved in...............number 2 to bowling which was sitting up at number one with a large lead.........and probably still is while I doubt that pool even breaks the top 5 anymore. It's sad, but I understand it.
MULLY

 

[jay helfert]

Thought I would run something interesting past the Forum, last weekend our Recreation Center Hosted a Western Regional (BCA) Bowlers Congress event.

Entry Fee, was $275.00/Bowler

The had 105 Entries

That meant they too in a total of just under 29,000 BUCKS in Entree Fees.

Top Finisher after (2) Day of Bowling took home $2,500.00 First Price, and a total of 16 place were paid with the bottom person getting $400.00.

Competitors came from CA, CO, UT, NV, NM, and as far away a TX. for this event.

My question is WHERE did all the money go! It looks like these 105 guys are getting the royal shaft! It looks like more than half the $29,000 did not get paid back in prize money. Now go back and ask your source where all the money went. If this happened in pool, there would be an uproar. I may go into the bowling business. I'd like to put one of these on every week. I'd get rich. :smile:

 

[JoeyA]

Don't cry for bowlers. Go look at pba.com and check out the sponsorship. Not just Bowling suppliers. Denny's etc. This equals real money. Now I'm sure it's still tough but when the top 20 with some endorsement $$$ can probably make a decent living.

Besides they get to eat for free on their birthdays!

Nick

Maybe, the WAFFLE HOUSE could sponsor the pool tournaments.
JoeyA

 

[JoeyA]

I googles, and here is YOUR LINK , Sorry there was only 103 Bowlers, Payout, etc. Posted.

$28,325 FEES.

Total Pay out 1-16th.$17,450

Over $10,000 in Expenses.

All the info is link at the LINK.

Point was pay $275.00 to enter, and Top Bowler got a Bare $2,500 BUCKS.

Think I will take local pool where it 7 Bucks to enter a small tournment, like the use to have a Metro, and winner get 75.00 Plus + Normally.

What did Johnny Archer get on the Shootout, at Kolby's was it not 12-15K on a 400 buck ENTRY.

I'm sure you have made the pool tour operators and the pool room owners euphoric over this sweet piece of news. :grin:
JoeyA

 

[CocoboloCowboy]

My question is WHERE did all the money go! It looks like these 105 guys are getting the royal shaft! It looks like more than half the $29,000 did not get paid back in prize money. Now go back and ask your source where all the money went. If this happened in pool, there would be an uproar. I may go into the bowling business. I'd like to put one of these on every week. I'd get rich. :smile:

Jay I am sure the venue, got paid per game. I am sure the group who put on the the Event, had Staff to pay. If I see the Center Manager I will ask him, but as he was working all weekend he may be off for a few days. Best I can do today. Like I said the Street Price to Bowl in the Valley is like $2.25-$5.00/Game.


Think the point of my post is that is Pool the player get a better peace of the Pie. Like I said when the had that Shoot-out at kolby's a few months back where you were TD, Entry was like 400 bucks, and the Winner got what 12-15K for First.

 

[Tom In Cincy]

Same Link... different story

Please correct me if I am reading this wrong...

103 entries 37 paid ... 103x$275 = $28,325 - 37 payouts ($20,900) = $7,425 operating expenses for 3 days of the tournaments.

This is much better than any pool tournament I've seen for a weekend event.
3 players got a $250 Sr. c (I have no idea what this means.)
18 players made $400
8 players made $525
4 made $750
2 made $1000
1 (2nd place) made $1250
1 (1st place) made $2500


http://www.pba.com/regional/regionstory.asp?ID=1711

 

[ronhudson]

I like the "lane condition" info on the tournament website. That one was rated "scorpion" which means dangerous and unpredictable. HA.

We should have some "table condition" rating system for equipment in pool tournaments. The "scorpion" rating would work for some pool tables too. Maybe have a "cheeta" condition for very fast cloth. I know some tables that could qualify for "turtle" or "slug" conditions. Maybe have some other ratings to indicate how often the balls are polished (if ever)... Some possibilities there.

 

[CocoboloCowboy]

The Center Manager is gone all week, here is YOUR LINK to the Group who put it on, I am sure if you e-mail them they might answer some question about THEIR Cost of putting on the Event. I know they sent in some Special Techician & Special Oil Spreading Machine to Put Down a Special Oil Pattern on the Lanes, I am sure that was not cheap.


NUFF SAID.

 

[Tom In Cincy]

So you can now see that there were more than 16 players being paid, correct?
Which really changes your original post comparing this payout to pool payouts.

The Center Manager is gone all week, here is YOUR LINK to the Group who put it on, I am sure if you e-mail them they might answer some question about THEIR Cost of putting on the Event. I know they sent in some Special Techician & Special Oil Spreading Machine to Put Down a Special Oil Pattern on the Lanes, I am sure that was not cheap.


NUFF SAID.

 

[akinnyz]

Like I said the Street Price to Bowl in the Valley is like $2.25-$5.00/Game.

Do they have a black market price? I dunno 'bout this street price thing... I'd usually just pay the GO GO JUICE to go down to my local alley and play there... My equipment is WAY to expensive to be rolling down the street!