Pool's 15 most influential people/brands list
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Lou Figueroa
Below is a link to the google cached snapshot of the page as it existed on Sept 24, 2020 at 20:11:44 GMT. The page was deleted shortly after, but I didn't take the time to try to find out by who or why.
https://webcache.googleusercontent....i/Pool%27s_Power_15+&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
Biloxi Boy
Man With A Golden Arm
Thank you. At least we know what it said. Can't see why anyone would want to delete such material. Probably a mistake.
Biloxi Boy
Man With A Golden Arm
Interview of Per Hagen by Richard Kimsey, Sports Agent Blog http://sportsagentblog.com/interview-with-the-agent/per-hagen/
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Richard Kimsey: What would you say to someone trying to break into the industry?
Per Hagen: Good Luck -- and don’t forget that there is something called moral and ethics.
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Richard Kimsey: What would you say to someone trying to break into the industry?
Per Hagen: Good Luck -- and don’t forget that there is something called moral and ethics.
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You hit at exactly the crux of the matter. It seems that for whatever the reason, some of the judges chose to define "influential" as essentially being synonymous with "recognizability" and "popularity".
But that isn't what influence is all at. As you alluded to, "influential" is one who influences, and influence is essentially causing change, so the measurement of influence is in the amount of change caused. Measuring change requires taking a number of things into consideration, but what would almost always carry the most weight in that measurement would be the number of people affected by said change.
So essentially the list was billed as and intended to be the "The 15 people who caused the most change that affected the most people in 2020". Yet when we all looked at their top 15, it largely doesn't represent this at all. A number of the people in the top 15, even high in the top 15, were responsible for causing little change among few people. Other people that were clearly responsible for causing notable change affecting large numbers of people were noticeably absent from the list completely. It is clear that the quality of the judging, or of the methodology used to "score" the voting, or both, failed miserably at what they were supposed to be doing and what they claimed to be doing.
And now it appears that that the person responsible for choosing the judges, and for choosing the judging methodology, and for actually doing the final "scoring" which apparently was done in private, is the agent representing several of the parties on the list who were among the most out of place and least deserving of being there. This leads to the possible impression that the failure of the top 15 list to deliver on what was intended and promised may not have been as much due to incompetence as perhaps being due to having been intentionally orchestrated to meet other motivations of the list organizer that were far less honest and sincere.
Well, there went my follow up post.
You've pretty much covered the waterfront on this and expressed what I was thinking. My only other thought is to wonder if this list will make it to the cover of BD, lol.
Lou Figueroa
At least they got Matchroom and AZB right, on top of the list. I think that whoever is responsible for the high dollar Chinese Eight Ball events should get a nod to. When someone is winning over 100K that will get your attention. The APA and Accu-Stats also belong on here because they reach so many people. The APA has the big numbers and continues to grow and Accu-Stat dvd's are the most watched worldwide, along with Matchroom products.
SkySports should have been considered as well since they are the ones responsible for televising Matchroom events live all over the world.
New meaning of influence
Social media has caused a change in people's interpretation of "influence". For years it's meaning was; to have power to affect the purchasing decisions of individuals or entities. Now, due to social media, it is also interpreted as; having a following in a distinct niche, with whom he or she actively engages. Which as a consequence gives them, the influencer, marketability. So, it is understandable how a list, of influential people/organizations may include individuals that have a large social media following but little direct affect on the industry represented.
I personally do not participate in FB, Instagram or Twitter. So influencers are useless to me. That doesn't mean the rest of the world behaves as I do, thankfully.
IMO, remove the individuals and add Diamond, it becomes a pretty good list. The order may be disputed but I consider them influential in the growth and marketability of pool.
Social media has caused a change in people's interpretation of "influence". For years it's meaning was; to have power to affect the purchasing decisions of individuals or entities. Now, due to social media, it is also interpreted as; having a following in a distinct niche, with whom he or she actively engages. Which as a consequence gives them, the influencer, marketability. So, it is understandable how a list, of influential people/organizations may include individuals that have a large social media following but little direct affect on the industry represented.
I personally do not participate in FB, Instagram or Twitter. So influencers are useless to me. That doesn't mean the rest of the world behaves as I do, thankfully.
IMO, remove the individuals and add Diamond, it becomes a pretty good list. The order may be disputed but I consider them influential in the growth and marketability of pool.
Scratch gets it. It is the age of the Social Media influencer.
It is disappointing how personal some folks are taking this. Not just disagreeing with the list, but being downright rude and insulting. Why?
Also, Big deal if diamond tables are not on this list. Do they play the Mosconi on Diamond tables? Do they play the China Open, or any of the major international tournaments not located in the US? Do they play the APA championships? Are there more diamond tables in bars worldwide than valleys? To that point, are there more oldhausens in homes in the us or diamonds?
Shavari has great lessons that are 100% free to the public. If that 11 million youtube views is accurate, then that is pretty significant. I am sure Dr. Dave has a way to count the number of visits to his website....would be cool to know if more than 11 million.
Like the list or hate the list, still no reason to be rude.
It is disappointing how personal some folks are taking this. Not just disagreeing with the list, but being downright rude and insulting. Why?
Also, Big deal if diamond tables are not on this list. Do they play the Mosconi on Diamond tables? Do they play the China Open, or any of the major international tournaments not located in the US? Do they play the APA championships? Are there more diamond tables in bars worldwide than valleys? To that point, are there more oldhausens in homes in the us or diamonds?
Shavari has great lessons that are 100% free to the public. If that 11 million youtube views is accurate, then that is pretty significant. I am sure Dr. Dave has a way to count the number of visits to his website....would be cool to know if more than 11 million.
Like the list or hate the list, still no reason to be rude.
To be fair, to be an influencer, you have to have some real influence, otherwise you are just somebody who is recognizable or popular. Which would be fine too but only if your list is titled "15 most popular or recognizable or influential in pool in 2020".
Biloxi Boy
Man With A Golden Arm
What this list is really missing is a sponsor. Poker had its own list, apparently sponsored by Bluff magazine. Here is a 2006 headline and a link to the article:
"Poker’s Power 20: The Most Influential People In Poker"
http://archive.bluff.com/magazine/pokers-power-20-the-most-influential-people-in-poker-10582/
Does anyone know who sponsored pool's Power 15?
"Poker’s Power 20: The Most Influential People In Poker"
http://archive.bluff.com/magazine/pokers-power-20-the-most-influential-people-in-poker-10582/
Does anyone know who sponsored pool's Power 15?
Biloxi Boy
Man With A Golden Arm
What this list is really missing is a sponsor. Poker had its own list, apparently sponsored by Bluff magazine. Here is a 2006 headline and a link to the article:
"Poker’s Power 20: The Most Influential People In Poker"
http://archive.bluff.com/magazine/pokers-power-20-the-most-influential-people-in-poker-10582/
Does anyone know who sponsored pool's Power 15?
"Poker’s Power 20: The Most Influential People In Poker"
http://archive.bluff.com/magazine/pokers-power-20-the-most-influential-people-in-poker-10582/
Does anyone know who sponsored pool's Power 15?
Possibly, but there are thousands of instagram influencers who make a lot of money that I've never heard of, that are influential to somebody...
The total views on a channel on YouTube can be found on the "About" page for the channel.
Dr. Dave: 41,351,980 views
Sharivari: 12,910,040 views
Bob Jewett: 91,861 views
Genipool14: 114,739,286 views
The about page also shows the start date of the channel.
Thanks for that, Bob. I completely forgot about GeniPool. Seems like that channel automatically loads every time I open the youtube App.
Another thing I was thinking about, when I think of influential, I think of pushing a product or some other idea. An example would be one of the Kardashians posting on their Instagram how much fun they were having at _______hotel and resort in Miami Beach. IN this instance, they are actually influencing people to go check out that specific hotel.
Dr. Dave does a great job with this with his BU exams and more recently the money challenges. He is actively pushing, or more correctly, providing incentive for people to get better at pool, thus increasing participation. To me, THAT is influencing worthy of praise.
While there are other revenue streams, particularly if they are actually influential, a primary way they make money is that they get paid by the websites based on how many people visit their pages. If they are making good money that way they are popular, and while some popular or well known people are influential, some have relatively little ability to influence much. Anyway the key takeaway that I'm not sure you've grasped is that influence and popularity/being well known are distinctly different things and they don't necessarily always correlate to each other, and probably even less so in the pool world.
That is what a lot of people tend to think about because it has become a recent rage, but there is a lot more to it. Influencing is simply the act of bringing something about or causing change of some kind. An example I gave previously is the enormous amount of people who have learned various things as a result of Dr. Dave sharing a comprehensive and massive wealth of information for free, and said knowledge resulting in improved skills or faster learning curves for untold numbers of people etc. That is having a massive influence and causing large change, but that aspect of what he does, does not in any way involve hocking a product but it does involve having tons of influence and causing lots of change.
Agreed. And while Dr. Dave's youtube videos have tons of views per the stats provided by Bob Jewett, that doesn't even count the gazillion that his main site gets which has been around even longer, and which shows up in the google search results constantly for all kinds of pool related searches so you just know that site has been visited a ton, not to mention all the people he has been able to influence here on AzB with the knowledge shared in tons of posts over the years.