Pool's "Best Practices"
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If it isn't necessary, why have you repeatedly brought up the theoretical difficulty of doing it? It isn't broken and we don't need to "fix" it - especially not by adding gratuitous complications like squirt/swerve/throw where they're not needed.
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QUOTE: ENGLISH - A lot of professional pool players (most I'd say) have developed elbow drop and other non-standard techniques, in many cases independent of each other.
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Rick, are you saying with certainty that most pro players drop their elbows before initial contact with the cue ball?
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Rick, are you saying with certainty that most pro players drop their elbows before initial contact with the cue ball?
This coming from the guy that always says he is misunderstood.The whole point you missed, is what TOI is supposed to be doing. As far as your insult, nice way to be hypocritical about keeping things civil.
Neil,
I've refrained from saying it for a long time but since you have brought the word in, I'm going to say it.
IMO, You are perhaps more of a hypocrite than any other member of this site.
You quote or refer to someone, insult or 'attack' the individual & then when any response comes back your way you cry foul. You reap what you sow but you want to play on a one way street.
There's much more I could say but then I would be bringing up words perhaps better left unsaid.
However, I will also say this. You do not seem to understand the actual meaning of many words. That may not be your fault. Or... maybe you do & you misuse them intentional. I don't actually know which it is.
Again, May Those Blessings Come Your Way ASAP.
the important thing is to start the initial, forward, motion with the elbow.
The elbow may not "drop," although it probably moves forward. The "drop" may actually happen after contact - the important thing is to start the initial, forward, motion with the elbow.
This happens very quickly and may not be picked up on video, it keeps the arm, wrist, and fingers working together as one, synergistic, unit. This will also help the player to keep from accelerating too quickly. You can only reach the maximum speed once - it needs to be exactly at cue ball contact or you'll miss out on vital precision and speed where it's needed.
The elbow may not "drop," although it probably moves forward. The "drop" may actually happen after contact - the important thing is to start the initial, forward, motion with the elbow.
This happens very quickly and may not be picked up on video, it keeps the arm, wrist, and fingers working together as one, synergistic, unit. This will also help the player to keep from accelerating too quickly. You can only reach the maximum speed once - it needs to be exactly at cue ball contact or you'll miss out on vital precision and speed where it's needed.
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So if you are trying to encourage a small child to move in a certain direction by pressing your hand against their back and contracting your biceps you are pulling them? I would think I was pushing them. On the other hand (or even with the same hand), if I grabbed the front of their shirt and made the same motion, I'd think of myself as pulling them as I pulled their shirt away from their body and in the direction I wanted their body to follow.
But why spend time on this distinction which we are unlikely to agree on? What use is it? Does using one word or the other change the action?
I have posted in the past quite a few times that I understood it. In fact, it has been in use long before CJ started selling it. I also have gone over it step by step on how he says he uses it. I have never trashed his style of play, only the way he describes how he plays. Many of his statements are flat out wrong, and some even nonsensical. THAT is all I and others have posted about.
Some on here like to constantly say that we trash CJ and TOI. Not true at all if people would actually read what is written. What we do trash is the way he makes up stuff and then makes fun of the actual physics of the game and anyone that dares question a single word that he says.
I've been friends with DTL for years and years and we used to play together all the time, that's the only reason I ever really chimed in on it in the first place.
I was done posting about it because I agree with your quote above. However, you asked me a question so I thought it would be rude to not give you an answer. I hope my explanation gave you some insight as to why my perspective is different than yours.
But yes, it doesn't really matter... we can certainly agree on that.
For someone that doesn't want to play childish trolling games, you sure are prolific at it.
Oh, newsflash for you, just because someone points out something that they disagree with you about, you don't always have to take it as an attack. That's something kids do.
I feel like with our avatars, we've been friends for years and years.
Firstly, thank you for your seemingly civil tone. Having to say that is a bit telling.
However I do appreciate it.
As to your last statement, I said as much in an earlier post today. I can agree with how you worded that.
The benefit is not IN accuracy but if done with a proper plan the benefit is that one does not have to be as accurate if the proper plan for the intentional off center hit is utilized.
It sounds as though your mind is made up so I'll just stop there other than asking a couple of questions.
Can you align for a straight shot to just outside a pocket point & then make a perfect center line hit & still pocket the ball?
Can you align to just inside that pocket point & then miss the center line on both sides & still pocket the ball both times?
Thanks Again & Have a Good Evening,
Rick
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Did I say it isn't necessary?
You said something about 'NEED'
I then asked you a question about who said anything about 'need'.
The way you play word games makes you insignificant to me.
You will now accuse me of playing word games but it is you that almost always starts playing word games.
You just don't see how you come across since your return.
the motion doesn't have to be significant to be effective
Yes, having the elbow in control of the forward motion is important. Sometime's it's difficult to see on video, the motion doesn't have to be significant to be effective.
'The Game is the Teacher'
Yes, having the elbow in control of the forward motion is important. Sometime's it's difficult to see on video, the motion doesn't have to be significant to be effective.
'The Game is the Teacher'
For someone that doesn't want to play childish trolling games, you sure are prolific at it.
Oh, newsflash for you, just because someone points out something that they disagree with you about, you don't always have to take it as an attack. That's something kids do.
You first referred to me as being hypocritical.
I've refrained for quite a long time from saying it about you. Why do you think I did that?
Now you're basically saying that it's me that is acting like a kid.
A kid is a young goat. Given our past, how should I take that?
Neil, It's you that IMHO that needs to sit back & reflect & take a long look at your own behavior.
I just deleted a couple of well meaning paragraphs because I saw how you most likely would take them wrong & come back firing with both Guns Blazing.
Why do you think I've often asked for Blessings to come your way? You've been in my prayers in the past & you will be again.
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Not at all. Please place me there ASAP.