"Pool's REAL FATAL FLAW"

The real flaw are the players, whenever they hear about somebody paying big, or bigger prizes or more money advertised, they come out in big herds.

Most notably the IPT, most of the great names and some of the shaky upstarts all found their way to the "big event." They set themselves up to be conned.

Is the flaw the players that believe somebody can change the way pool runs?

Or is the flaw the system itself, where tournaments can just open at will and implement any set of rules or policies they see fit?

If the players agreed to a standard set of policies for how tournaments should be run:
like announcement of match-ups,
policies in the event of emergency or delay,
policies for bad behavior,
policies about how the entry fee is to be used,
policies on what to do when an in-match issues arises,
policies for their eating arrangements
policies for how fans will be dealt with at tournament events

basically the players haven't ever come up with a format they all agree too. The flaw is the players should decide what works for them and what they can see themselves continuing in the future for improvement or as a template for the tournament format.

If there was a player school for professional pool business aspects, it would include a project on creating a pool tournament format and budgeting for paying out prize money on time.

Considering the niche talent the players have they should know from experience answers almost off of the top of their head. I would not expect the juniors division to know much about what was discussed but I do expect good answers (partially complete sentences) from more experienced people.

The BPA said it best when Archer said some weeks the formats change and players are unaware of the changes. They can fix that. They can fix it so good that it never has to be solved again, by developing the formats they want for tournaments (sometimes its as simple as copying the existing documentation).
 
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But all the talk of legitimate investors...

Who wasnts to get behind a venture that could see its product (players) potentially unavailable at any momment, c/o the IRS?
 
Fine

I'm good with all that, with a few clarifications.

Winner breaks is required. I won't be losing because you hang your money ball in a pocket after the break and combo it in.

Also you get the called 8+9 in 10 ball, not from the 7 ball. if you want 9 ball then the 7+8 called.
Spotted balls are not wild on the break.

"10 ball rules" is fine by me, called pocket, if a player misses and hooks the opponent then the shot can be given back.

If that's good and this will really be happening, have someone working there at the pool hall call me when you arrive, I'm right up the road. I'll leave my number there tonight, unless you still have it (you probably do). Just f'n with you.
 
LOL I am just as confused...

I don't need any weight, beucase then when I beat him its becuase of the weight I will play him even. All day.

I missed this one and the part where you think I never broke and ran 3 racks.

You could NEVER win a set to 3 playing me even, we both know that's a fact.

High break and run 7 racks vs. rock hard Ron for a $10 bill, you can confirm that if you must.
 
I'll completely disagree with you because ...

Careful David, you'll be called an idiot and be called out to gamble.

To the OP, I completely agree with EVERYTHING you wrote. See, I am not an idiot, I am wicked smaht.
 
Careful David, you'll be called an idiot and be called out to gamble.

To the OP, I completely agree with EVERYTHING you wrote. See, I am not an idiot, I am wicked smaht.

zhactly, we're all screwed up in the head and everyone one loves him. Very twisted case indeed, but if he's got the cash, I'm there.
 
sunday

Brian im going to play you. If you win great if not I don't care I get paid every two weeks. All I want to do is shut you up for once. You run your mouth more then anyone I know. You will see Sunday. And I don't have your number text me so I have it again. About 2 months ago I deleted all the ass holes out of my phone so I don't have your number. Just text me.

Or you can coward out and keep running your mouth thinking your cool behind a keyboard. Mr. Keyboard turf guy.
 
Careful David, you'll be called an idiot and be called out to gamble.

To the OP, I completely agree with EVERYTHING you wrote. See, I am not an idiot, I am wicked smaht.

So I call it how I see it. Big deal, but im not a master 9 baller so I don't call people out to gamble. I have a life a job that pays well and a ton of freinds, I don't need to beat someone in a pool table like master 9 baller. Because everyone in the country knows who he is and everyone's afraid of him.

LOL. Not.
 
So I call it how I see it. Big deal, but im not a master 9 baller so I don't call people out to gamble. I have a life a job that pays well and a ton of freinds, I don't need to beat someone in a pool table like master 9 baller. Because everyone in the country knows who he is and everyone's afraid of him.

LOL. Not.

Besides calling everyone an idiot it sounds like we aren't so different.
 
The man should still be banned, right?

In case anybody needs a refresher course in how badly this guy goes off the tracks sometimes here is the implosion that was the end of his tour. Resulting in his banishment from AZ and him removing his most psychotic posts of all. Lots of pissed off players wondering where their "final tournament" monies went. Pretty hard to defend, but I'm sure he'll find a way:wink:
http://http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=173825

Think I'll report this thread and see if a moderator tosses him again, troll.
 
I'll completely disagree with you because I don't think money will solve anything.

Pool has had money before.

We had it with RJ Reynolds.

We had it with Kevin Trudeau.

You can watch guys betting it up big in live streams for 5 figures.

The money is there.

What pool is seriously lacking, is maturity. I've been watching very closely for a long time. You could throw hundreds of thousands of dollars at some people, and they will still land flat on their asss because they don't how to effectively manage themselves or their money. In the absence of maturity, money will only makes things worse - or it will further complicate things.

If there is no return on the investment in the game of pool, why continue tossing money at it? The money and the financing should be there because we either earned it or attracted it - not because we begged for it or on some level believed that we deserved it.

People have been BORED watching tournament pool since the sixties - we need to change our success formula. I believe that when people produce live streams, they should produce them in the same way they would present the product to a television network. They should have professional quality commentary - not whomever grabbed the seat or the mic to BS with their buddies in the chat room, swearing, being immature. That might be a lot of fun, but IMO, it says a lot about the attitudes people have about pool getting out of this rut. That tells me that some people are comfortable with the way things are. I know a lot of people won't like me saying that, but its true - and I have scores of people (in and out of pool) that agree with that. You can have the best quality live stream in the world, but without a professional appearance and presentation to your product, you won't attract sponsors or positively promote the game at all.

Adjust the attitudes and maturity levels, and perhaps you'll see some changes. Until that happens it will be business as usual.

OMG David. that's a great post. Been waiting a long time for somebody to state the obvious (from a sponsor's viewpoint). Pool people are so far from understanding this very basic premise that there really is almost no hope for the game to move forward.
 
Brian im going to play you. If you win great if not I don't care I get paid every two weeks. All I want to do is shut you up for once. You run your mouth more then anyone I know. You will see Sunday. And I don't have your number text me so I have it again. About 2 months ago I deleted all the ass holes out of my phone so I don't have your number. Just text me.

Or you can coward out and keep running your mouth thinking your cool behind a keyboard. Mr. Keyboard turf guy.

Wouldn't miss it for the world, which I will be giving you!

So confirm it here and now; winner breaks 10 ball with pro 10 ball rules getting the called 8+9 race to 11 for $500. Correct? (No idea why you'd prefer pro 10 ball rules that favor the better player, but it's your money so you got it fella)

Have whoever is working Sunday call me when you arrive, they will have my number.

What's a turf guy? I thought you mowed the lawns in my neighborhood? I pay people like you to do that for me.
 
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Wouldn't miss it for the world, which I will be giving you!

So confirm it here and now; winner breaks 10 ball with pro 10 ball rules getting the called 8+9 race to 11 for $500. Correct? (No idea why you'd prefer pro 10 ball rules that favor the better player, but it's your money so you got it fella)

Have whoever is working Sunday call me when you arrive, they will have my number.

What's a turf guy? I thought you mowed the lawns in my neighborhood? I pay people like you to do that for me.

Please Brian, you wipe asses for a living. I work for a Multi-Million Dollar company in NYC so, you can **** off.

And I never said anything about the rules touch hole.

10 ball 7 out, race to 11 for $500. That’s the game, you called it. Or we can play your MASTER game, and play 9 ball with the 6 out, remember Brian YOU called me OUT. I never said anything to you and never said I wanted to gamble, you’re the one who set the line.

Just remember again, YOU called me out, I will take your ass wiping money, and BURN it as soon as I win it. Because your money is nothing to me. You probably make what I make, probably not a dime more.

Look up the professional licenses in NYS and you will see my name idiot.

Just remember when you DON'T Agree to this game, it's because your a pussy and CANT HANDLE what you BARK.

You woofed it, now play it, and you got a bet. Hell scum bag, I'll let you take my whole check, bet up to $2000, I'll send you home to your wife begging for money.
 
In case anybody needs a refresher course in how badly this guy goes off the tracks sometimes here is the implosion that was the end of his tour. Resulting in his banishment from AZ and him removing his most psychotic posts of all. Lots of pissed off players wondering where their "final tournament" monies went. Pretty hard to defend, but I'm sure he'll find a way:wink:
http://http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=173825

Think I'll report this thread and see if a moderator tosses him again, troll.

There was 1 pissed off player. Ask Allen where the money is, I don't have it, never did. All my money I earn, Allen ows me about $8,000 in my mind since I spent $19,000 on my year long road trip and the contract we signed, it was an equal buisness partnership.

So Brain again learn your facts before you open your mouth.

No one is owed anything from the DMIRO tour I am way past it, and frankly it hasn;t been brought up in a year, until I very stupidly decided to write on this forum again.

Brain I probably shouldn't show up to Salt City again, beucase it will take all the energy in my body not to punch you in the ****ing face.

But I will I will let your dumb ass take a swing at MY money, that I EARNED. Should we bring pay stubs and comapre, since you always seem to belittle me, and want to have a cock size contest.

Your upset beucase no one in the pool world cares about little Brian Lipes, you walk to up me talking to Mika or Shane at TS to try and act like my freind so you can say hi to them like it's all that big of a deal. You always try and suck my dick everytime you see me, and I try and be nice to you beucase I feel sorry for such a sad sack of shit. Do your self and the WORLD a favor, find a rock and hide.

- Richard.
 
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Threatening me?

Are you threatening me with physical violence again? I don't think that's permitted here.

Well I will enjoy taking your hard earned money. Let's see $7.75 an hour divided into $500, after taxes, you are right that is 2 weeks pay. Well living at grandma's house sure has it's advantages doesn't it.

I earn money too you know. Other people's money, like your's, one shot at a time!
 
Are you threatening me with physical violence again? I don't think that's permitted here.

Well I will enjoy taking your hard earned money. Let's see $7.75 an hour divided into $500, after taxes, you are right that is 2 weeks pay. Well living at grandma's house sure has it's advantages doesn't it.

I earn money too you know. Other people's money, like your's, one shot at a time!

Ya right. And im flying to denver to mow lawns. Idiot. Lol you really are dumb aren't you.?
 
Will this match be on Ustream? There's no Final Four games on Sunday so I need something to watch.
 
How about double or nothing?

How about double or nothing on W2's when I take your $500? You must mow some really big yards in Denver.
 
Why don't you two guys take your rhetoric off of this thread, since it has absolutely nothing to do with it, and frankly...NOBODY CARES! Play your match (if it actually comes off), and you can report the score, if you like. But please, quit your fourth back-and-forth BS here.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
 
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