"Pool's REAL FATAL FLAW"

Wow that has to be one of the worst post that I have ever read. There are a lot of reasons why pool is not in the main stream and money does have a lot to do with it. Take it from someone who has worked in the industry for 10 years. I have been on a team that has set up ESPN events and know a lot about what goes on in the back-end of the industry.

Question- Do you know why there is not that many pool events on ESPN? I can tell you it has nothing to do with the fact that a lot of the population like to watch pool. It has more to do with why the PBA is featured so much. Why the speed channel popped up. It's not because someone is paying ESPN to promote these events, well not directly ESPN has a vested interest in making sure that they shown on a regular basis! Look into why that is going on and you will find your answers. It is confidential information but its not that hard to figure out.
 
master9baller said:
You are one twisted head case. Is that what this is all about? Do you think I'm pretty? Why would a normal man go the places you do?

One last time, you are getting the world. 10 ball pro rules, 8+9 ball called, race to $500 posted money. Take it or leave it. Not taking it will show that you have none of the self-reported heart you proclaim.

Christ, I never had anyone except Grau give me the last 2 before the money ball called, ever. Nobody every gave, me the 6 out either. Pretty slick asking for a spot that is so out of line, people will understand that you are the problem here.

BTW, unlike yourself, as a mature adult I really don't give a rat's ass what every one thinks. You are a flawed individual, mentally and emotionally arrested at the developmental level of a 10 year old. What's the background story there. The other kids didn't play with you when you were a child? You need professional help son.
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Brian, you’re the one barking at me. Trying to call me out saying you can give me this HUGE spot. So go ahead and give me this HUGE sport, give me the 6 out like you barked on lone before!

It is NOT that I asked for the 6 out, its that YOU said you could give me the 6 out all day, and you said you could. So try it... It was the fact that I was going to destroy you with that spot. Text Grau and ask him out the 7 out in 10 ball went last time I played him. I won.

As far as tournaments, I won an Auburn tournament this year, did you win one? No, did you even cash no! I did. You did zero.

It frankly doesn’t matter, I only agreed to play your dumb ass because YOU said you could give me a huge spot, well give it to me, and I will take your money.

Just so you know I work as a Licensed Private Investigator, for one of the largest firms in NYS. So Brian your kid games on line are hilarious! You act sooo big and bad on the internet when in fact you are a scared little puppy. Your one of the least like guys in Syracuse, everyone makes fun of you.

And the only reason you brought any of this shit up or made any of your comments was because you heard me and Dan H. talking shit about you at the Joss stop. I'm sorry I hurt your feelings, I will never talk about you again, because frankly, you have wasted a lot of my time, responding to your crap.

PLEASE OH PLEASE talk shit to my face Brain, PLEASE do. No, next time you see me, you will just ignore me and look away like a the scared ***** you are.

Play me with the spot you bragged you could so I can make a quick 500.00. I would like it in $20 dollar bills so that I will have enough paper to start a camp fire, because that's all I would you your ASS wiping money.
 
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You 2 barking at each other like children is why pool is frowned upon.
When the IPT was formed it seemed like it might work. Then they held few txs.and hardly anyone showed up. There was no marketing plan so i don't know what they expected.
A good pool match on TV will have to be edited and emceed by pros and it will also need personalities to sell the game to the public.
The womens tour seems to be doing okay again.
You can't compare pool to football or baseball or even golf because most of those players have college backrounds instead of poolhall educations.
 
bobroberts said:
You 2 barking at each other like children is why pool is frowned upon.
When the IPT was formed it seemed like it might work. Then they held few txs.and hardly anyone showed up. There was no marketing plan so i don't know what they expected.
A good pool match on TV will have to be edited and emceed by pros and it will also need personalities to sell the game to the public.
The womens tour seems to be doing okay again.
You can't compare pool to football or baseball or even golf because most of those players have college backrounds instead of poolhall educations.
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A lot of the new stars are starting the pros straight from high school, at least in basketball and maybe a few golfers, they are trying more and more to be like pro pool players.
 
UGETTHE6 said:
Brian, you’re the one barking at me. Trying to call me out saying you can give me this HUGE spot. So go ahead and give me this HUGE sport, give me the 6 out like you barked on lone before!

It is NOT that I asked for the 6 out, its that YOU said you could give me the 6 out all day, and you said you could. So try it... It was the fact that I was going to destroy you with that spot. Text Grau and ask him out the 7 out in 10 ball went last time I played him. I won.

As far as tournaments, I won an Auburn tournament this year, did you win one? No, did you even cash no! I did. You did zero.

It frankly doesn’t matter, I only agreed to play your dumb ass because YOU said you could give me a huge spot, well give it to me, and I will take your money.

Just so you know I work as a Licensed Private Investigator, for one of the largest firms in NYS. So Brian your kid games on line are hilarious! You act sooo big and bad on the internet when in fact you are a scared little puppy. Your one of the least like guys in Syracuse, everyone makes fun of you.

And the only reason you brought any of this shit up or made any of your comments was because you heard me and Dan H. talking shit about you at the Joss stop. I'm sorry I hurt your feelings, I will never talk about you again, because frankly, you have wasted a lot of my time, responding to your crap.

PLEASE OH PLEASE talk shit to my face Brain, PLEASE do. No, next time you see me, you will just ignore me and look away like a the scared ***** you are.

Play me with the spot you bragged you could so I can make a quick 500.00. I would like it in $20 dollar bills so that I will have enough paper to start a camp fire, because that's all I would you your ASS wiping money.
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Yeah drunk 105 pound Danny Heidriech shoves me at SBE for nothing. Basically I let him live. I'd crush him like a bug. He's just like you, a legend in his own mind. Since you both want to kick my ass then do it, together. I'd trade shots with you both anyday. No lie, I've been there, you could be very surprised how it ends up.

Grown men don't rumor and backstab like women Mikey. Why do I care what a d-bag like you or Danny thinks? I don't. I make friends selectively, and have dozens of friends locally in the game. People like yourself are not worth the time it's just Hi and Bye, if that.

If the last 2 balls before the money called isn't enough for you from a strong A player, how do you call yourself a pool player? That's pathetic and so are you. You come off like a clown. I'll still be available Sunday if you grow some balls by then.

So yes, please jump me in the parking lot or wherever Mr. PI. you don't have the stones for that either. BTW PI's don't make 135K a year plus benefits dipshit, not even in the ballpark.
 
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UGETTHE6 said:
It is NOT that I asked for the 6 out, its that YOU said you could give me the 6 out all day, and you said you could. So try it... It was the fact that I was going to destroy you with that spot. Text Grau and ask him out the 7 out in 10 ball went last time I played him. I won.

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I find it very ironic that you screen name just happens to be UGETTHE6
 
Apocalypse2012 said:
I find it very ironic that you screen name just happens to be UGETTHE6
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This man even has a large forearm tatoo saying he gets the 6 out, no lie. What a clown. He'd spot an APA 3 the 6 and lose, every time. Mike has no game at all, so money and heart really can't make up for that. It's like the local Junior Varsity team playing the Patriots, it just ain't gonna happen for him. Best part he's the only one that cant see it or he's just delusional.

Mikey, stay on the porch where it's safe and mock me if you like. I'll be where I always am, out in the open ready to play anybody with cash in hand. Maybe we can find someone else to play for you and you can just back them. Think about it, I just want to be in action wherever it is found around here, getting harder all the time.

I always spot people what they need, if they play their game they can win. I'd think you could too with the called 8+9 in 10 ball, but obviously you don't feel that you can. So just leave it alone, because you are looking like Richard again here.

People figure out pretty quickly who's full of $hit in this game, you are up to you neck in it. See you around clown.
 
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master9baller said:
Yeah drunk 105 pound Danny Heidriech shoves me at SBE for nothing. Basically I let him live. I'd crush him like a bug. He's just like you, a legend in his own mind. Since you both want to kick my ass then do it, together. I'd trade shots with you both anyday. No lie, I've been there, you could be very surprised how it ends up.

Grown men don't rumor and backstab like women Mikey. Why do I care what a d-bag like you or Danny thinks? I don't. I make friends selectively, and have dozens of friends locally in the game. People like yourself are not worth the time it's just Hi and Bye, if that.

If the last 2 balls before the money called isn't enough for you from a strong A player, how do you call yourself a pool player? That's pathetic and so are you. You come off like a clown. I'll still be available Sunday if you grow some balls by then.

So yes, please jump me in the parking lot or wherever Mr. PI. you don't have the stones for that either. BTW PI's don't make 135K a year plus benefits dipshit, not even in the ballpark.
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From an online reference at http://www.investigatorsanywhere.com/piinformation/newpi.asp#earn

Q. How much do private investigators earn? What starting salary could I expect?
A. For a direct answer, go to the next paragraph. Some private investigators actually pay to be in the private investigation business. This sounds crazy but there are some PIs, frequently former law enforcement officers who are licensed and are "sort of" in the business. Their income from private investigation work is actually a negative. Someone whose spouse has a good paying job to supplement his or her retirement pay is able to work as a private investigator and earn less than their cost of doing business. They may not know they are losing money if they have not learned the fine points of business management. This situation is good for the users of private investigation services because it keeps the hourly rate professional private investigators can charge artificially low. Obviously, it is not good news for someone wanting to become a private investigator and earn a decent income. If you are looking for a way to make big money, there are probably many ways better than becoming a private investigator. A love of being independent and the unknown are better reasons to become a PI than money.

Private investigation agencies charge from $40 to $100 per hour for their time. The average across the country is about $50 to $55 per hour. Those who charge less than $40 per hour usually live in very non-affluent areas. Most of these at the low end of the hourly fees spectrum are going out of business but don't know it yet or are subsidized by retirement pay and working spouses. Those who charge more than $55 to $65 an hour usually either have a good specialty and/or are located in an affluent part of the country. It seems most of them who successfully charge $100 an hour or more have advanced degrees or a strong link to some specialty market from prior employment. Capital punishment defense and hazardous materials investigations are good examples of high fee private investigation work. A trainee starting out in an investigation agency might be paid little more than minimum wage but could learn enough in a short time to increase his or her value substantially. A professional agency with a good client base would probably pay salaried investigators at least $25,000 and as much as $75,000. Many agencies pay field investigators based on the amount of billable hours they produce for the agency. An average percentage for such an arrangement is 40%. If the agency charges $60 per hour and pays the investigator 40%, that would be $24 per hour for billed time. If the investigator has no personal life and can log 10 hours a day, over $5000 a month could be earned. On the other hand, if the agency does not have many clients, there might be only enough work to bill 10 or 15 hours a week which would earn barely enough to get by on.

Yeah Mikey you hit the gravy train alright. I remember when I was 22 years old and 40 k felt like alot. I guess it is a step above the last mall cop job though, be proud son, be proud. When you cash your first check and grow some stones have them call me.
 
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Well instead of action today with Mike this is what I get via PM:

"I had someone that wanted to put me in this game, and wanted to bet 500 on the side on me, but I said, ****it, I will not waste my time, privately or publicly with you any longer.

For your referance, I make 55K salary plus full medical/dental paid, plus .38 a mile I drive, and a $300 a month expense account. I bring over 1000 a week take home.

Not bad for someone with an Associates Degree.

Now I understand I don't make as much as you, great, I don't care. I also know I am a B player your an A great. Again I don't care. I never said I was better then you, but you barking on-line that you could give me 3 spots was hilarious, beucase you know damn well you can't give anyone in Syracuse 3 spots. "


My response:

So around here a B to an A player gets the called 8 and a game standard. So as usual around here to get action I give more, so for Mike it's the called 7+8, a much harder game for me to win, a 3 handicap spot. He demands another called ball the 6,7 8 in 9 ball, really a 5 handicap spot. This would be a "D" rating, and Mike says he's a B. We have one D player, almost 70, and worse that your kid sister if she never saw a pool table.

All this BS about all his earning big money and he has to be put into action, no dinero???

Then he admits that he makes 40% of what I do after all his baloney about making more than me. Do you think I didn't know that before Mikey? And before your big position I made 5 times what you did, who cares right?

So Mike what have we learned here:
1) Even when you are given the nuts you won't play
2) When you have the nuts you will have someone else put up their money because you are still scared
4) A week of making 55K a year and you are on easy street. Where were you living prior to this? With grandma like you still are , that's where.

So I guess we'll go back to you mumbling to people about me from the safety of the porch where you belong. Face it pal you still get the 7 out from me in life. Which is exactly where we started this isn't it?

For those that wish to chime in you may do so now, but it is not required. I know full well what I got here. A scared little boy who can't stand up for himself.
 
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UGETTHE6 said:
Someone said to me the other day if the top player was making 20 Million a year in pool, then all the current players would be sleeping on the street. I think its true. Because it is a sport, and the real athletes play golf, baseball or other major sports so they get PAID. If they played pool, the REAL athletes would dominate, not the fat asses, gamblers, hustlers, and drug addicts.

If pool had a huge payout, then the real athletes would pick up cues and figure it out. It’s all simple, shoot, make ball, and shoot again.
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Posts further down this thread confirmed what I immediately thought when I read that last sentence- you don't know s*** about pool.

Have you ever seen a football player try to learn how to knock a ball in a pocket? It's sad. Pool takes more brains and insight than most sports. Golf might be an exception. Basketball might be, too.

Fat asses, gamblers, hustlers, and drug addicts? I see less of the first and last in a pool hall than I do in the general population. But maybe you've never been in one before. And if you don't like gambling maybe you should forget about an upgrade career in pool event promotion and be a preacher.
 
Master9baller, you're a fawking homo. Cut it out already. Your constant bashing of someone's game, job, toughness, etc. shows everyone that you are really trying hard to compensate for something. This thread was interesting until you dragged us all back into high school. Grow up manchild.
 
JolietJames said:
Master9baller, you're a fawking homo. Cut it out already. Your constant bashing of someone's game, job, toughness, etc. shows everyone that you are really trying hard to compensate for something. This thread was interesting until you dragged us all back into high school. Grow up manchild.
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Oh really?

Well, some idiot calls me out and I give him the world and he still won't play, what does that make me? A guy who puts his game into action at all times, getting pretty rare nowadays.

What's so interesting about another guy who knows how to save pool expressing his opinions? Especially when that person ran a tour into the ground, bashed the great Allen Hopkins and took all of the year end money from players, nearly $2000? Maybe you ought to know what you talk about before opening you trap.

You probably stay on the porch where it's safe like Mikey.

Last night $50 and $100 a game action in the north country playing for "Hillbilly Hundreds" nothing like it. Maybe you should try it sometime.

Tonight will be more of the same, weekly tournament, $2000 10 ball pot at $200 a ball to the winning ticket holder and all the action I can find before, during and after the event.

Up $1,400 last week, this week could be even better. "What's wrong with pool" ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!
 
I agree there is nothing wrong with pool -in some areas. Other areas are starving for action and we turn to poker. I made a little money placing in the acs state 9ball but there isn't much going on in our area. Beloit Wisconsin is the closest place to me for big tournaments so I'm going to start traveling to play it seems. Sadly, in my area pool IS in trouble. We're buying a second house in AZ this spring or summer and will be moving there within the next two years. I can't wait to get there because pool is in much better shape in AZ than in IL. Oh, and IL sucks for a ton of reasons other than pool!
I apologize if you didn't start the personal attacks or career bashing but it was getting out of hand regardless. Noone cares what people do for a living. Hell, when we move to AZ, I'm not doing sh!t.
 
If you like doing something, but can't make a living at it,
YOU HAVE A HOBBY.

So quit your b****ing.

Many activities with no expectation of professional status have national and international organizations. American pool couldn't run a one-glass lemonade stand. For the cause - look in the mirror.

In other words, I agree with the poster who wrote:

Problem is people in the pool world are LAZY and want a quick fix, and an easy pay day :D:D:D
 
People respect people with money. We need another Kevin Trudeau.

Somebody with the bankroll and talent to push the sport further and faster then ever before known.
 
JolietJames said:
I agree there is nothing wrong with pool -in some areas. Other areas are starving for action and we turn to poker. I made a little money placing in the acs state 9ball but there isn't much going on in our area. Beloit Wisconsin is the closest place to me for big tournaments so I'm going to start traveling to play it seems. Sadly, in my area pool IS in trouble. We're buying a second house in AZ this spring or summer and will be moving there within the next two years. I can't wait to get there because pool is in much better shape in AZ than in IL. Oh, and IL sucks for a ton of reasons other than pool!
I apologize if you didn't start the personal attacks or career bashing but it was getting out of hand regardless. Noone cares what people do for a living. Hell, when we move to AZ, I'm not doing sh!t.
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No problems. Mikey and I have some history together. He has a special place in my heart really.

Even in the worst of places if you work at it there are still a few who understand what action is about. The guys who will lose 3 sets at $100 apiece and say play again are the ones you want. $20 sets lose their luster after awhile.
 
Mikey

Okay Mike, you say you're done with me and I sort of understand.

Let's try 10 ball called pocket, winner breaks, race to 9, you get the 7, 8, + 9 called for $200 a set. Pro rules, so if a player sticks the other behind a ball after a miss, the other player can give it back. Two set minimum, and all day if you like after that.

I think I can fade this spot with you and am curious to know if it can be done. Salt City Billiards Sunday 6pm or any other time that works.

Don't say that I didn't offer the gaff spot, because I just did. :D
 
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UGETTHE6's response to getting the 6 out called, no of course

Well here is Mike's response to getting my offer for the stone cold nuts, the called 6 out in 9 ball.

MIKEY
"LOL You are trrruely a looser... Go back and read all of your posts, and you will see YOU offered me the 6 out ass hole. And That is why I said, fine play me with the 6 out. I wasn't asking for the 6 out. I dont need the 6 out, I was just going to simply ROB you.
You are the dumbest person I have meet lol... Hell at the Joss last weekend I broke and ran the first 3 racks against some kid named Eric fron Long Island, and all I could think about was robbing your DUMB ass.

Appearently you haven't been watching me play lateley. AND I won one of the Auburn 8 ball tournaments this year, you are an idiot, it would have been fun to rob you. Ask Grau how giving me the 7+8 went last time I played him. I won 2 sents in a ROW! Your a ****ing joke and your barking as been fun to watch, but out of principal I am not going to play you, because I dont associate my self with loosers or scum bags."


Master9baller's response:

Your response = "I'm still a pu$$y and am afraid". You say everything like you mean it, but you don't. Guys like you have no balls at all.

Mikey, was that perhaps the first tournament you've ever won in your life? What is that like 1 out of 150? A barbox race to 3, where 1/2 the players are even worse than you? Pretty strong work there dude.


Well stick to talking shit about me to whoever will listen. You aren't $hit in this game. I made $1700 over a 9 day period last week. Nobody around here brings home the cash like me, and nobody is in action even 1/2 as much. Just straight facts, don't delude yourself.

So even when Mikey is given the world, he won't get in the ring and fight. He'd rather sit back and throw $hit at me from the sidelines. Whatever dude. You are a coward and a weakling. Stay in the back of the pack and let the big dogs eat first, you get the $hit I refuse to eat.
 
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