Posting Pictures + Price in a For Sale thread
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you should run for President....
In the same token, if you really wanted to sell the piece, you would post pictures and a price. [
There is no reason whatsoever, a valid one anyways, to not include the price. By not including the price you have the potential to lose a sale. In fact the potential for that is greater as your poll has shown.
It's not about being fickle, how about some courtesy to the other party and post a price or pic or both.
Well it would be MORE of a courtesy to post a price. IMHO it's not a big deal, like IYHO it's not a big deal to ask for the price. But now as a buyer maybe he is wasting my time, by ME having to do the back and forth routine. But if he posted the price, it might have saved me the trouble once I saw the item was out of my range OR the seller was out of his mind.
There is where your confusion lies.. I am also a buyer. I don't like having my time wasted by people who want to much for their items. Which more times than not is the reason they don't show the price. If they knew they had a good price, they would post it to begin with. If they posted a price, then I would know where I stand and then can cut out the bullcrap step of pm'ing them, waiting for a response (maybe days) and then seeing the price is to high. So now I am waiting to hear back, now I have to decide if I want to pursue other cues or wait for this inconsiderate person, that should have had a price to begin with, to get back to me.
See when I see a "pm" me for price, I already know that the majority of the times the price is too high. Why? Because there is no valid reason to not post a price. We tried this, thinking you weed out the want to be's and the buyers.. but you just spend more time answering people that have no inclination to buy anyways. When I post a price, maybe its high, maybe its not. But then my customer knows where I am. Then he can decide to pursue the item or not.
IMHO a seller can do what he wants, but the smart seller posts EVERYTHING he can about the item, including price and pics at the time of the ad.
One more thing.. when a price is not posted.. it's because the guy is asking for "diamond" pricing, when in reality all he has is cubic zirconium.
JV
skins said:
There is no reason whatsoever, a valid one anyways, to not include the price. By not including the price you have the potential to lose a sale. In fact the potential for that is greater as your poll has shown.
It's not about being fickle, how about some courtesy to the other party and post a price or pic or both.
skins said:
Well it would be MORE of a courtesy to post a price. IMHO it's not a big deal, like IYHO it's not a big deal to ask for the price. But now as a buyer maybe he is wasting my time, by ME having to do the back and forth routine. But if he posted the price, it might have saved me the trouble once I saw the item was out of my range OR the seller was out of his mind.
skins said:
There is where your confusion lies.. I am also a buyer. I don't like having my time wasted by people who want to much for their items. Which more times than not is the reason they don't show the price. If they knew they had a good price, they would post it to begin with. If they posted a price, then I would know where I stand and then can cut out the bullcrap step of pm'ing them, waiting for a response (maybe days) and then seeing the price is to high. So now I am waiting to hear back, now I have to decide if I want to pursue other cues or wait for this inconsiderate person, that should have had a price to begin with, to get back to me.
See when I see a "pm" me for price, I already know that the majority of the times the price is too high. Why? Because there is no valid reason to not post a price. We tried this, thinking you weed out the want to be's and the buyers.. but you just spend more time answering people that have no inclination to buy anyways. When I post a price, maybe its high, maybe its not. But then my customer knows where I am. Then he can decide to pursue the item or not.
IMHO a seller can do what he wants, but the smart seller posts EVERYTHING he can about the item, including price and pics at the time of the ad.
One more thing.. when a price is not posted.. it's because the guy is asking for "diamond" pricing, when in reality all he has is cubic zirconium.
JV
classiccues said:
if i posted lets say a Szam, Manzino, Tasc ect... tonight, telling interested parties to PM me or email me for pics and price would i would loose interest from actual potential buyers including yourself??? of course not. sure i'd "loose" some curious onlookers who want nothing more than to "know" whats going on out of sheer curiosity (i happen to think, contrary to the poll, they still would PM or email though) but i wouldn't loose any serious buyers that's for sure. my point is, no matter what the cue for sale, the seller advertises in their own way for their wants and as long as it states the type cue for sale will attract the REAL buyers. why do some get frustrated?? my guess would be because they really aren't in the market for that specific cue but are either curious and just want to "know" about it maybe for there own personal reasons, or just want to see if someone has posted a "windfall" for them to score on. don't get me wrong i'm not saying everyone is like this i'm saying those who REALLY would pass on something they really want are. i'm in no way against posting pics and prices, it helps for sure, i just find it hard to believe that the majority in this poll would pass up something they really want because of some advertising standard they have stuck in their head.
skins said:
Sure.. try the same thing with a Josey and get back to me. Sure a Szamboti will get interest, but how many Szamboti's do you see posted here with no price? C'mon, you want to make a point do it with some backing.
Following your logic one could just title the thread "Cue for sale" then in the body PM me for price and pics.. then thats it. Now there is an ad that would set the board on fire.
JV
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classiccues said:
"Sure.. try the same thing with a Josey" that was a very ignorant and uncalled for remark! i've been very cordial with you and every other poster and you "pack" an insult like this. you've lost any respect i've tried to "regain" for you for sure. let me tell you somethin' that you obviously have no clue, Keith's cues need no grandstanding to make a sale and anyone i've ever seen post one on the secondary market doesn't have it for sale long regardless of how its "advertised".
skins --------- could "stoop" but doesn't need to.
I would bet that most buyers on this forum are emotional, and impulsive when it comes to buying a cue ( I know I am lets face it buying a cue isn't a logical decision most of the time). If I see a pic of a cue and the price looks reasonable.....I'll pm the the seller and try to work a deal...this type of buying works well for me...on the flip side I've sent pms to sellers that have no pics, prices or specs on their threads, and ask for information to be emailed to me.....it never fails that some piece of info isn't in the email, or I forgot to ask a specific question, and have to email back and forth...this could take a few days which is understandable, but during those few days I lose the ether, the excitement, etc. and I may move on because I've seen something else that came available....most sales are completed when the buyer is still excited ...so I believe posting pics, specs, and prices may be in the sellers best interest to move the selling process along faster while the buyer is still jacked up.....isnt that what we all want quick smooth transactions? jmo
skins said:
That's not an insult. It's a fact, whether you like it or not. Outside of Szamboti's, Bushka's, and a few others.. they just ain't on the secondary market hot list. Maybe it hit to close to home, but now you got the message.
It's not anything against the cue, the craftsmanship or anything. The fact is YOU put up something (Szamboti) that would obviously get a PM regardless of the post. The fact you didn't use Josey tells me you already know the situation. If you want to show examples then actually look at the board and see the cues where the price isn't posted. Thats all I am saying.
Joe
snowmon34 said:
with all respect, if buying cues is only an "excitement" or "high" for the one buying than they're not really interested in the cue that much. to say you'd move on to buy something else says the same thing. i'm talking about buyers who want that specific cue. not ones who look for "any" deal or kick tires. let's face it there are many deals that come around that will have a hard time repeating and that includes cues from any maker. it's obvious to me that there's no sense in arguing my point for something i consider such an easy decision. my opinion has worked well for me and i guess to each his/her own. it just leaves less competition for those who are more determined i guess.
Let me give you some real examples...
Meet and greet: Barry Szamboti, on the table, inquiry goes.. how much? Oh well.. I am not sure... I don't think I want to sell it but make me an offer.. Ok.. 1.00. "Oh c'mon.." It took about 30 people to finally get a ball park out of this individual. You know what that amounts to? 30 people could have done something else.
M/G II - How much for that SW? Oh .. well xxx was going to give me xxx. Wait thats not what I asked.. Well you know... ok I'll get back to you... (I don't go back)
Meanwhile I am looking for a SW, I have 12k in my pocket to jump on a SW I like.. in the meantime I am so pissed at example number one, who has 3-4 or more SW's, I don't even want to be bothered with his sales tactics. I am sure I will see him in Queens and maybe by then he'll have some numbers. But with his exchange he probably lost out on selling some cues. I don't get it, I never will.
Hopkins: Hi, do you buy Palmers? Sure. Oh ok.. I have a cue in my car it's an old Palmer. /How much will you give me for it? /Will you go to the car and get it?/ I just want a number? /I can't give you a number till I know what model it is and condition. /Well its old and has only some play. So how much will you give me?/
Hopkins: Walking to a guy I know's (and bought from)booth and he has a cue I like. How much for the Gina? Well .. I was walking around and I have a number in mind. What will you give me? xxxx you just told me you had a price. Yeah but I want to see how close we are? We ain't close, and I walk away.
Look this is the simplicity of sales... the seller has an item, he wants money for the item. I am willing to pay that money. But I don't want the run around. As the forkeroverer of the cash, thats the respect I ask for. Also I don't want to price your item. I believe alot of people that don't price are looking for free evaluation of their items. Which again, leads to time wasted. I think a few dealers use the latter.
Supply and demand.. I have the $upply and I will make the demand.
JV
Meet and greet: Barry Szamboti, on the table, inquiry goes.. how much? Oh well.. I am not sure... I don't think I want to sell it but make me an offer.. Ok.. 1.00. "Oh c'mon.." It took about 30 people to finally get a ball park out of this individual. You know what that amounts to? 30 people could have done something else.
M/G II - How much for that SW? Oh .. well xxx was going to give me xxx. Wait thats not what I asked.. Well you know... ok I'll get back to you... (I don't go back)
Meanwhile I am looking for a SW, I have 12k in my pocket to jump on a SW I like.. in the meantime I am so pissed at example number one, who has 3-4 or more SW's, I don't even want to be bothered with his sales tactics. I am sure I will see him in Queens and maybe by then he'll have some numbers. But with his exchange he probably lost out on selling some cues. I don't get it, I never will.
Hopkins: Hi, do you buy Palmers? Sure. Oh ok.. I have a cue in my car it's an old Palmer. /How much will you give me for it? /Will you go to the car and get it?/ I just want a number? /I can't give you a number till I know what model it is and condition. /Well its old and has only some play. So how much will you give me?/
Hopkins: Walking to a guy I know's (and bought from)booth and he has a cue I like. How much for the Gina? Well .. I was walking around and I have a number in mind. What will you give me? xxxx you just told me you had a price. Yeah but I want to see how close we are? We ain't close, and I walk away.
Look this is the simplicity of sales... the seller has an item, he wants money for the item. I am willing to pay that money. But I don't want the run around. As the forkeroverer of the cash, thats the respect I ask for. Also I don't want to price your item. I believe alot of people that don't price are looking for free evaluation of their items. Which again, leads to time wasted. I think a few dealers use the latter.
Supply and demand.. I have the $upply and I will make the demand.
JV
skins said:
I'm sorry I disagree...Buying a cue is most definitely an emotional purchase....I've talked to guys that have been buying and selling cues for a long time and they still get excited anticipating the arrival of a package.....they still get excited when they first open the box and hold the cue in their hands they still get excited telling their buddies about their new purchase or trade....they even get disappointed when a package doesn't arrive on time....Skins I'm sure you've heard of buyers remorse.....well that happens once the excitement, high or ether wears off....tell me there is no emotions involved in a sale, and I have tried buying cues from sellers with no info, but for some reason it just has not worked out for me......no disrespect intended, but the poll is not favoring your opinion
My two cents...
A listing for an item should always have a picture. This gives us lookers/buyers a reference to decide whether it suits our style/needs. I could post that I have a curly maple ___ custom for sale with incredible figuring in the wood. Well, what exactly does the figuring look like? Some people may love crazy figuring, while others may hate it. By posting at least one picture of the cue, you give people a reference. If they want more pictures, you can always PM or email them the additional pics then. Or you can save yourself the trouble of multiple emails by just posting as many pics as you think will show off the item. And for those who don't know how to post pics, you can always ask a favor of someone on here who does know how to post pics to post them for you by emailing the pics to him/her.
As for prices, I think any price under $2000 should be posted. $2000+ prices can be "email for price" as long as the price is a hard price, not this "make me an offer" crap. That is something I will never even bother to look at. Why should I waste my time trying to figure out what price you would be willing to sell the cue at when you could have just stated it in the first place? You want to play that game, go find some other sucker.
My $0.02.
A listing for an item should always have a picture. This gives us lookers/buyers a reference to decide whether it suits our style/needs. I could post that I have a curly maple ___ custom for sale with incredible figuring in the wood. Well, what exactly does the figuring look like? Some people may love crazy figuring, while others may hate it. By posting at least one picture of the cue, you give people a reference. If they want more pictures, you can always PM or email them the additional pics then. Or you can save yourself the trouble of multiple emails by just posting as many pics as you think will show off the item. And for those who don't know how to post pics, you can always ask a favor of someone on here who does know how to post pics to post them for you by emailing the pics to him/her.
As for prices, I think any price under $2000 should be posted. $2000+ prices can be "email for price" as long as the price is a hard price, not this "make me an offer" crap. That is something I will never even bother to look at. Why should I waste my time trying to figure out what price you would be willing to sell the cue at when you could have just stated it in the first place? You want to play that game, go find some other sucker.
My $0.02.
If no price, I keep on walkin'. If you're selling, why not post price??? Really, I don't care what ones answer may be, I'm still walkin'.
If sooo many people "totally disregard" these threads, then I can't understand why this one's getting so much action. 4,500 views. 80 posts.
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=66407
Although I do think it's MUCH MUCH easier to post your pics rather than having to email them everytime someone wants to see the cue.
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=66407
Although I do think it's MUCH MUCH easier to post your pics rather than having to email them everytime someone wants to see the cue.
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Hal said:
Because he is listing a collection. To even see what is available you have to click the first post. Has he got 4500 pm's? Thats the question. Plus I would wager heavily some people have gone back multiple times to see if he did post pics.
JV
I voted "No".....here's why
Sorry guys, but anyone posting a CP automatically has got my attention (picture or not, price or not). Guess that's part of what separates collectors from other buyers who might be looking to perhaps just try out a cue or just flip it....
Sorry guys, but anyone posting a CP automatically has got my attention (picture or not, price or not). Guess that's part of what separates collectors from other buyers who might be looking to perhaps just try out a cue or just flip it....
I have been a member of many forums for many years. I have seen scammers go through hell and back just to make a buck. What I have seen, and what has dramatically cut down on the bad guys is what we call "Brokerage".
The Staff of that forum + trusted members are 'brokers' for that forum. When a member is dealing with a new member / troublesome member, they will send their items / cash to the broker. The broker will inspect, and relay details to the thread where the deal was made. If both parties agree, the broker sends the items to the proper place. However, this does take shipping 2 ways + 'broker fee's', like 10 bux for the broker's time.
Every new thread in the Buy / Sell / Trade forum has to be approved by a member of the staff. If the member posting is known, than they'll just approve it. If they are not known, they will put it as "Brokerage Required" or as "Brokerage Suggested", which means they are new / have no deals done.
Every for sale thread must have a price or it doesn't get approved. Pictures are also required
It might work here
The Staff of that forum + trusted members are 'brokers' for that forum. When a member is dealing with a new member / troublesome member, they will send their items / cash to the broker. The broker will inspect, and relay details to the thread where the deal was made. If both parties agree, the broker sends the items to the proper place. However, this does take shipping 2 ways + 'broker fee's', like 10 bux for the broker's time.
Every new thread in the Buy / Sell / Trade forum has to be approved by a member of the staff. If the member posting is known, than they'll just approve it. If they are not known, they will put it as "Brokerage Required" or as "Brokerage Suggested", which means they are new / have no deals done.
Every for sale thread must have a price or it doesn't get approved. Pictures are also required
It might work here
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