Potential pro caliber players in APA league

don't get mad

i say this to this a pro is a pro and make a living at it while a amateur does not make a living at it.. so this guy is no pro but play's very well . i like to have people lke that to play it help my game alot. so maybe you should look at it that way i would.. but i hve to drive up there and give this guy a try and see for myself.........
 
Matt said:
Is that accurate for all ranks? I think the system used to move up the lowest rank or two if they kept winning regardless of the innings, so maybe that's changed.
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I can say it is possible for all ranks. I can also say it is extremely unlikely for any rank, except, of course, the highest rank.
 
TimKrazyMon said:
All i'm saying is I believe you are mistaken. I know for a fact that if you are a 2-6 in 8 ball and a 1-8 in 9 ball and you are winning at a 100% clip, you will go up no matter how good or bad you are shooting. The only way it is possible to "beat the best 7" every week and not go up is if you yourself are a 7.
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I'm saying I'm not mistaken. It's extremely likely that a 100% winner will go up, but it's possible that they will not. There's something wrong with your source of facts.
 
APA Operator said:
I'm saying I'm not mistaken. It's extremely likely that a 100% winner will go up, but it's possible that they will not. There's something wrong with your source of facts.
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I was told by the number one apa lo that if a 2 was over 50% winning they were automatically raised.
 
cookie man said:
I was told by the number one apa lo that if a 2 was over 50% winning they were automatically raised.
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That's not true. They either openly lied to you or they have a screwed up policy of doing that themselves. I had a teammate that was 12 for 13 one session. I felt bad because I ended up taking MVP over him, because my % was close but I had a huge lead in top gun points.
 
APA Operator said:
I'm saying I'm not mistaken. It's extremely likely that a 100% winner will go up, but it's possible that they will not. There's something wrong with your source of facts.
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Winning percentage is factored into the formula. It's not possible unless you can't go up any more.
 
cookie man said:
I was told by the number one apa lo that if a 2 was over 50% winning they were automatically raised.
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Didn't work that way here. About 3 sessions ago, there was an SL2 that won the Top Gun award for that session, for having the best winning percentage out of the entire division. Somewhere around 88-90%. And didn't go up until several weeks into the following session.

Certainly raised a few eyebrows.
 
justadub said:
Didn't work that way here. About 3 sessions ago, there was an SL2 that won the Top Gun award for that session, for having the best winning percentage out of the entire division. Somewhere around 88-90%. And didn't go up until several weeks into the following session.

Certainly raised a few eyebrows.
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How long had the 2 been in the APA?
 
justadub said:
Didn't work that way here. About 3 sessions ago, there was an SL2 that won the Top Gun award for that session, for having the best winning percentage out of the entire division. Somewhere around 88-90%. And didn't go up until several weeks into the following session.

Certainly raised a few eyebrows.
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Dub,

Keep reading about "Top Gun". What is that?

Lyn
 
cardiac kid said:
Dub,

Keep reading about "Top Gun". What is that?

Lyn
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As Justadub's unofficial spokesperson, allow me to answer this one..

In my area, we have Top Gun and MVP.

The Top Gun is based upon the total skill levels of the opponents you have defeated. If you beat a 2, 6, 7 and 5, you have 20 points towards Top Gun. This usually results in the higher rated players winning, because more often they are the ones facing other high level opponents.

The MVP is a combination of Top Gun points and win percentage.

To qualify for either, we must have played in 70% of our team's sets.

In some areas, they have Top Gun tournaments. They invite the Top Gun winners from the last season or whatever and the winner(s) get a spot in the Vegas singles competition.
 
Top Gun

There may be slight variances but in Austin Top Gun is an invite 8 ball tourney to players with top winning percentage in both 8 and 9 (I think it is top 20%). Here you have to have at least 8 matches in either format to qualify. Then they seed you based on your current ranking in the tourney and you play regular 8 ball APA one on one. It is great until you run into that sandbagging 4 that only has to win 2 to your 5.
 
justadub said:
Didn't work that way here. About 3 sessions ago, there was an SL2 that won the Top Gun award for that session, for having the best winning percentage out of the entire division. Somewhere around 88-90%. And didn't go up until several weeks into the following session.

Certainly raised a few eyebrows.
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Did that take her over 50% lifetime?
 
bazkook said:
I agree with you about the Masters. I believe there should be a division for higher caliber players such as him. For example, I have been a 6 for a long time in 8 ball and I just moved to an 7 before this weekend. I have only been playing pool seriously for a little over 5 years. I had not been sandbagging; I just had just been on a hot streak recently. However I am nowhere near as capable of breaking and running a set like he is. Can you honestly rank me the same as a player who has been playing much longer than me and has a much more complete skill set? I guess what I'm saying is the handicap system in APA is more flawed than BCA or any other pool league. I consider myself a low 7 while he would be a very high 7 and there should be a system in place to reflect that.
As far as the only defense to beat him, how can you beat possibly beat him if he wins the lag and breaks and runs the set? Don't tell me he should be in an amateur league if he can consistently break and run 5 or more 8-ball games consecutively.
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The APA will remain flawed as long as they keep their current handicap system. Just look at how many handicap levels the APA has vs BCA vs
Valley, and I do not know how TAP handicaps.
 
cardiac kid said:
Dub,

Keep reading about "Top Gun". What is that?

Lyn
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In our area, Top Gun is the player with the best winning percentage for the session, out of everyone who has played at least 6 matches (or 7, depending on how many weeks the session runs).

The total of the skill levels from the opponents you beat is used as a tie breaker. If it were the main component, lower skill level players wouldn't have a decent chance to win, since they usually play lower skill level opponents, so their totals will almost always be lower than the upper level players.

The winner receives a check for $50. That's for each division, both 8-ball and 9-ball. We have near 15 divisions, and 3 sessions a year. That's a lot of money paid out, just for that one award.

We don't have a Top Gun tournament, but we have a Best if the Best tourney, with the top 20 finishers from each division invited, and the territory broken into a north and south. Cash tourney. Lots of fun. That is held after each session, and there is a year-end tournament for those who placed high enough at one of the end of session tournies.

As to the other questions, I believe it was the SL2's second session, and I have no idea her lifetime stats at the time.
 
Went to our league's website. Found a statement that Top Gun and MVP have been disconnected. Sure hope it was my fault :eek::rolleyes::grin-square:!

Lyn
 
cardiac kid said:
Went to our league's website. Found a statement that Top Gun and MVP have been disconnected. Sure hope it was my fault :eek::rolleyes::grin-square:!

Lyn
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Bah. You remind me of a local 'super senior'. He usually ends up in the 90-100% win rate range. I don't think you're nearly as prone to being grouchy, though. :thumbup: If he doesn't fess up with some stories next time I see him, I'm gonna start a thread and see what I can find out. He also has this knack of calling me while I do my 9-5 and asking if I want to play some. One of these days he'll figure out to call me on a weekend. You retirees.. sheesh! ;)
 
Top Gun

Ours is actually tomorrow so I will verify the qualifications. I am sure I will get upset by a 3 that "played out of their mind". In the last tourney like this I lost to a 3 that called me out on not marking the pocket after I had tried to bank the ball there twice on my previous two shots, now dead in the heart. Thats always fun.
 
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in our area it is much the same as others as far as how you obtain points. if you beat 4- 5's you get 20 points, etc etc.

as dub stated we have 3 sessions and and hold a top gun tournament after each session.

here is where the difference seems to begin compared to other areas.

the top gun

is broken into 3 brackets for both 8 and 9 ball. in 8 ball you have 2's and 3's. then 4's and 5's. then 6's and 7,s. in 9 ball you have 1-3, 4-5 , then 6 and up.

at the end of the session the top 40 finishers in each bracket for the entire franchise face off against each other.

1st and 2nd place in each bracket qualifies for the singles regional. 1st place also gets cash, usually just around 50.00 because most tourneys are never full.

winning the top gun is how i qualified for th regionals the last 2 years . i never entered those board qualifiers because all levels are lumped together.

except for this year... the lo called me and asked if i would play in a 9 ball board saying he was 1 man short and knew i lived just minutes away. on a lark i said ok and he said every one agreed to wait on me or otherwise he could not hold it. i got there in 15 minutes.

well i got lucky and won it having to play against a couple of 7's and a strong 6. like i say i got lucky.:smile:
we usually have about half the people that are eligible actually enter .
 
cookie man said:
I was told by the number one apa lo that if a 2 was over 50% winning they were automatically raised.
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I guess you'll have to decide who you choose to believe, me or the number one apa lo (whoever that is, I don't have a clue who is ranking them). Just remember though, I put my statement on the internet and you can't put something on the internet unless it's true. :rotflmao1:
 
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