Dave...Only at the local level. Once you're playing at Regional or National events, no local L.O. can override skill levels.
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No, they shouldn't. But they would under the current system. This is one of those examples that happens pretty infrequently and is not likely to have a *major* influence on their handicap. I didn't create the system. I'm just answering someone's question about it.
KMRUNOUT
Tim, no offense, but its you.
Not quite. This part I am allowed to tell you. League operators (by themselves) can make players higher but not lower than the numeric calculation. Though it is possible to force a skill level down, the operator has no ability to do that themselves. It takes an action by the national office, after a significant amount of explaining and begging by the operator.
Just remember, the APA is constantly evolving both the handicap formula and the computer software.
The computer knows what you tell it.
Total derail on this derailed thread but I've got a question for you. If I still have my 8 or 9 digit APA number and I start up in a new state (for me), should t the local division be able to start me as am established player with X handicap? I've moved over the years and for some reason, this seemingly national handicap system started me anew every time and really pissed off some people .
Freddie <~~~ 01306767
Wow, I'm not exactly sure this is something to "brag" about. Or even to be proud of. That, to me, would fall in the category of, "tsk, tsk, not something we like to see -- to have a '2' win a singles qualifier without ever shooting at a game-winning money ball." That would be one of those hush-hush type of things, because the handicapping system allowed something foolish like that to happen.
I can understand the purpose of handicapping systems offering an equal or near-equal chance for the lesser-skilled player to "win" -- that goes without saying. But to allow something like the above two scenarios where the "2" didn't execute a single game-winning move, but yet won a "prestigious" slot at an event? Something's amiss...
-Sean
why? nowhere does it say that the 8 ball wasn't the only ball left on the table each time, or that none of the wins happened by their opponent (likely also a 2) accidentally sinking the 8 ball earlier. The way probability works is that really unusual situations will happen given enough times. Like the person who said they went 5-4 and won without a single inning. Not likely, not high probability but over 1000s of games it will happen eventually
So any league operator can make a player go down, it all depends on what you tell it.
45305161 - is that you too? That's the only other record I can find with the same name as the 01306767 record. Did you play somewhere besides Cincinnati and Massachusetts? By the way, when you started in Massachusetts in 1997 there was no national database so they would have had to call Cincinnati to get your scores (all 12 of them). It probably would have required the LO in Cincinnati to mail a 3.5 inch disk to the LO in Massachusetts, as many LO's didn't even have email at that time.
One of the concepts behind league play is sportsmanship. Part of your responsibility as a player should be to correctly report your ranking to the LO in the new league, otherwise you are no better than the average sandbagger plaing below your true skill level as long as you can get away with it.
It makes me happy to see a 2 win a match any time, any way (except by cheating - I hate that). If it happens to be an "important" match - even better. I really don't give a crap what you are or are not exactly sure of.
You mean any dishonest league operator, right? They could only do so much, as the software enforces the lowest attainable (and national lowest attainable) rule. In addition, the way they would have to falsify data would make it a virtual certainty that they would get caught and lose their franchise.