power draw

evergruven said:
I know you're being disagreed with
but some of this actually makes sense to me
since I started getting really low and level
my overall ability to draw has improved immensely
on the power draw tho (cb far from ob)
low level felt like way more work than elevating



that's what I did, I guess
pretty sure I hit lower than cb tho



comeback of the ol' power draw thread! (see what I did there?)
as I mentioned above, I love limboing with my cue tip
but distance between cb and ob was tough..gonna have to work on it



hi fran
I've tested to see how low I could get on the cb with a level cue
tried to get lower than the bottom of a stripe ball..couldn't do it!
I think I just tried too hard and mis-stroked, which led to the mis-cue

will continue to play with it tho..thanks all for the replies!
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evergruven...As I posted the last time you posted that picture, the chalk mark as shown on your 10ball is as low as it's possible to hit the CB without a miscue. Then it becomes about acceleration and a relaxed grip on the cuestick.

Scott Lee
2019 PBIA Instructor of the Year
Director, SPF National Pool School Tour
 
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Scott Lee said:
evergruven...As I posted the last time you posted that picture, the chalk mark as shown on your 10ball is as low as it's possible to hit the CB without a miscue. Then it becomes about acceleration and a relaxed grip on the cuestick.

Scott Lee
2019 PBIA Instructor of the Year
Director, SPF National Pool School Tour
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thanks scott
and when attempting a "power draw" shot
would you add keeping the cue level as another box to check off?
 
evergruven said:
thanks scott
and when attempting a "power draw" shot
would you add keeping the cue level as another box to check off?
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Like the other 'pool physics' instructors (this precludes straightline), "level as reasonable, for the shot" would be how I would describe it. BTW, even though you believe you're using a loose grip you may not be. Only slow-motion video analysis can prove it one way or the other.

Scott Lee
2019 PBIA Instructor of the Year
Director, SPF National Pool School Tour
 
Scott Lee said:
Like the other 'pool physics' instructors (this precludes straightline), "level as reasonable, for the shot" would be how I would describe it. BTW, even though you believe you're using a loose grip you may not be. Only slow-motion video analysis can prove it one way or the other.

Scott Lee
2019 PBIA Instructor of the Year
Director, SPF National Pool School Tour
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good stuff, thanks pal
 
Scott Lee said:
Like the other 'pool physics' instructors (this precludes straightline), "level as reasonable, for the shot" would be how I would describe it. BTW, even though you believe you're using a loose grip you may not be. Only slow-motion video analysis can prove it one way or the other.
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Level as possible is still not level and all the super strokers I've seen don't even try getting there. Most use a regular bridge and just hit low. I even think low "as possible" isn't a requirement.
What I'm getting from the rexperts is nobody can refute the end rail shot so now it's semantic weaponry? Give it up man.
 
straightline said:
Level as possible is still not level and all the super strokers I've seen don't even try getting there. Most use a regular bridge and just hit low. I even think low "as possible" isn't a requirement.
What I'm getting from the rexperts is nobody can refute the end rail shot so now it's semantic weaponry? Give it up man.
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it's cool if the thread took a twist..they often do
but for the record
my original post meant to discuss cb well off the rail
(so rail is much less of a factor)
and cb far from ob..like half the table
my bad for not making that clear "from the jump" (zing?)
 
evergruven said:
it's cool if the thread took a twist..they often do
but for the record
my original post meant to discuss cb well off the rail
(so rail is much less of a factor)
and cb far from ob..like half the table
my bad for not making that clear "from the jump" (zing?)
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If I was trampling your aesthetics I didn't think you'd give more than a couple ghucks so I went on with it. Not sorry either but that's me. I gotta defend facts. Taunted PJ but we've had the same "discussion" before and it went pretty much the same way; whatever physics appeared to refute me. not the facts, me. And, you say "power draw", first thing I think is one length to the object ball and then two more lengths; give or take.
Nuther thing is the rexperts base their facts on lab conditions; good to pristine equipment minimum. Speaking of which, that Massey burnout sure smells like silicone huh? :D
Last thing, Scott Lee always tries to pull rank. Like I'm stepping on his action? What a joke.
 
Nope to all! You MUST hit a draw shot exactly one way only. What my friend Mike Massey does with wrists, cue angle, etc. is exactly what our experts preach--an optical illusion causes you to disagree, you heretics, you!

Never use an alternative stroke, stance or bridge or anything of any kind. Only stroke one way, and if you suck, you suck!

Everyone go back, please, to low, level strokes only--and continue to suffer--for YEARS--as you reject any concept beyond the "normal" advice that keeps many at AZ addicted to hearing "wonderful advice" that does NOTHING to improve their game.

**

I recall playing in a tense tournament--with a old, worn house cue as it happened--and being stuck on the rail on an old table with slow, worn cloth, jacked up to a very steep angle, as I had no alternative position shot, and knocking the ball in nine feet away, drawing STRAIGHT back to the rail again and BEYOND as planned. Many of my dear pool "friends" watched the shot, and you could hear crickets chirp, despite less worthy draw strokes drawing many thousands of views on YouTube. My "friends" were incapable of tapping their cue or applauding or even saying quietly "nice shot, bro!", because they were LOSERS.

That's because if you play well or teach well using alternative methods, the witch hunt begins!

**

Make a decision today to try a new stroke--or just take 2,000 more low, level strokes and suffer.

**

Drops the mic. Awaits the naysayers (we know who you are)!
 
straightline said:
If I was trampling your aesthetics I didn't think you'd give more than a couple ghucks so I went on with it. Not sorry either but that's me. I gotta defend facts. Taunted PJ but we've had the same "discussion" before and it went pretty much the same way; whatever physics appeared to refute me. not the facts, me. And, you say "power draw", first thing I think is one length to the object ball and then two more lengths; give or take.
Nuther thing is the rexperts base their facts on lab conditions; good to pristine equipment minimum. Speaking of which, that Massey burnout sure smells like silicone huh? :D
Last thing, Scott Lee always tries to pull rank. Like I'm stepping on his action? What a joke.
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tried to send you another pm, and again, I failed
but fyi, it basically said "thanks"
which I will now direct to anybody here within screenshot
who is trying to help
I plan on hitting the table tonight
with this thread (and others in mind)
I look forward to playing
cheers pals
 
evergruven said:
tried to send you another pm, and again, I failed
but fyi, it basically said "thanks"
which I will now direct to anybody here within screenshot
who is trying to help
I plan on hitting the table tonight
with this thread (and others in mind)
I look forward to playing
cheers pals
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Oops forgot about those. I'll reset that after a perimeter check. :D
 
mom, I made a youtube video!
kind of on a whim
and not as gnarly as the initial shot I was faced with
but it shows some cue action
I set one up and shot naturally
comments appreciated
 
evergruven said:
mom, I made a youtube video!
kind of on a whim
and not as gnarly as the initial shot I was faced with
but it shows some cue action
I set one up and shot naturally
comments appreciated
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What do you see in the video that the top players don't seem to do?
 
straightline said:
Last thing, Scott Lee always tries to pull rank. Like I'm stepping on his action? What a joke.
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Rank? You have no rank...certainly at nothing concerning teaching anybody anything about pool physics. You stepping on my "action"? That's just plain funny! At least I have a 'rank'! Even when other experts maintain your ignorance, you still claim you're right, and everybody else is wrong!

Scott Lee
2019 PBIA Instructor of the Year
Director, SPF National Pool School Tour
 
evergruven said:
I did

I'd just like to point out that I pointed out it wasn't the og shot
which I'm not even sure would be considered a power draw to begin with

that said, what's wrong with using an open bridge for a good draw shot?
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For short delicate draw shots or shots that are easy to make with draw you can get away with it. However when you have to hit the cue ball hard or have to put left or right in addition to it and even on short draws, the cue has a tendency to move around a lot. Also the cue vibrates more on open hand bridges which can cause miscues. There are several reasons not to use open bridges on several shots. I try to use the appropriate bridge for the appropriate shot. Dissent always work. Lol


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