Practice- drills, books, videos, schools?

[bdr1010]

What are some good practice drills to improve my consistency and up my game to the next level. I am currently a 7 in 8-ball and a 8 in 9-ball APA, but I just can't seem to hang with guys that are "known players." They seem to be able to get out on any rack and run racks like its nothing on a daily basis. I can run out when the opportunity is there, but I do occasionally miss. These guys can go 10-15 racks before I see a miss sometimes. So my question is, how can I practice to get a little closer to the level of play these guys are at? What can I work on to improve my game? Should I go to a pool school to get help?

 

[Neil]

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[Rack'em jay]

Pool school is a waste of time and money i know because i went.

7 mother drills, SPF, is all you will learn and the teacher did not even show us the aiming system SAM because he was ready to go home early on sunday afternoon. but he kept all the money

besides that they are good people i liked Bill the most

 

[pooltchr]

Call RandyG at Cue-tech in Dallas. Talk to him, and let him evaluate your game and see where you are, and where you want to get to with your game. He has worked with many of the top pros, so I'm sure he's got something for you.

Steve

 

[Rack'em jay]

don't ask randy G to show you SAM on a sunday afternoon because he won't he just sent me home with the paper work

 

[Gerald]

You pay your $ up front, you go to Pool School and they don't show you their Aiming System? What's up with that?? That is contrary to everything I have heard about Randy. Was Scott Lee there? I can't imagine Scott ever doing that. Very disappointing and extremely bad business.

 

[Rack'em jay]

no a guy named bill older guy very nice, Randy,and another guy that was in and out i think he went by Mr. T he runs S.W.E.L

 

[pooltchr]

I have never known Randy to bail out on a student. And he gets excited when he is demonstrating SAM. If that was your experience, I would suspect there were some extenuating circumstances involved.

Steve

 

[Scott Lee]

I was not there. The introduction to SAM is always on the 3rd day of pool school. I'll be teaching it to the pool school students here in Harrisburg, PA this weekend.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

You pay your $ up front, you go to Pool School and they don't show you their Aiming System? What's up with that?? That is contrary to everything I have heard about Randy. Was Scott Lee there? I can't imagine Scott ever doing that. Very disappointing and extremely bad business.

 

[Scott Lee]

Rack'em jay...Have you practiced the Mother Drills? For how long? Without the correct application of what you learned in pool school, you will have wasted your time and money...and SAM wouldn't do you any good anyway. SPF is just the language of your stroke...it's still your own process.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Pool school is a waste of time and money i know because i went.

7 mother drills, SPF, is all you will learn and the teacher did not even show us the aiming system SAM because he was ready to go home early on sunday afternoon. but he kept all the money

besides that they are good people i liked Bill the most

 

[Rack'em jay]

I have never known Randy to bail out on a student. And he gets excited when he is demonstrating SAM. If that was your experience, I would suspect there were some extenuating circumstances involved.

Steve

The Cowboys were playing

 

[Rack'em jay]

Rack'em jay...Have you practiced the Mother Drills? For how long? Without the correct application of what you learned in pool school, you will have wasted your time and money...and SAM wouldn't do you any good anyway. SPF is just the language of your stroke...it's still your own process.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

I payed for the whole class and for Randy to teach me SAM which he did not do.

I should of had a chance to learn SAM from Randy G and not from a paper hand out. because he wanted to cut out early and go home.

but that is ok because, i went and got lessons on the PRO One Aiming system from Stan

Thanks Randy I guess if it was not For you i would not know pro 1

 

[bdr1010]

10-15 racks is pretty hard to fade. That is pro level. I suspect it's not really that many, just that it seems like it. Take stock of why you miss when you do miss. Did you take the shot for granted? That is often a cause of a miss at your level. Is your position as good as it should be? That almost always can be improved. Those two things alone can make a world of difference in your game. NEVER take a shot for granted, and ALWAYS pick a spot for position, not just a rough area. If you can afford it, lessons are always a benefit if from a good instructor.

No, It is really that many, and yes it is pro level. I know that. They also have about 13 years of playing time on me as I have only played 5-6 years and all of them have played 18+ years. Just because they are not known pros doesn't mean they aren't pro level shooters, some people don't want to be known as pros, ya know?

 

[Scott Lee]

Rack'em jay...I can't speak for randyg, but if that happened, for any reason, it's too bad, and a shame, as SAM is a great system to know. If I ever run into you, I'll be happy to go over SAM with you personally (like I did, a dozen times last week, in Las Vegas). Like all good teachers, we want to know, and teach, if we can, multiple systems. SAM has many of the same elements of Stan Shuffet's Pro One system (both are based on CTE aiming). The pivot is the primary difference. All systems are good, and workable, with an accurate, repeatable stroke. None work well without one. I'm glad you got to work with Stan. He's a great instructor, with a ton of knowledge.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

I payed for the whole class and for Randy to teach me SAM which he did not do.

I should of had a chance to learn SAM from Randy G and not from a paper hand out. because he wanted to cut out early and go home.

but that is ok because, i went and got lessons on the PRO One Aiming system from Stan

Thanks Randy I guess if it was not For you i would not know pro 1

 

[poolplayer2093]

What are some good practice drills to improve my consistency and up my game to the next level. I am currently a 7 in 8-ball and a 8 in 9-ball APA, but I just can't seem to hang with guys that are "known players." They seem to be able to get out on any rack and run racks like its nothing on a daily basis. I can run out when the opportunity is there, but I do occasionally miss. These guys can go 10-15 racks before I see a miss sometimes. So my question is, how can I practice to get a little closer to the level of play these guys are at? What can I work on to improve my game? Should I go to a pool school to get help?

i think most of people's problems when they play isn't shotmaking or improper stroke. it just looks like bad planning and speed control

 

[Eddie Robin]

Game not where you would like and U want to know what to practice?

[COLOR="Sienna"]Your level of play is not where you would like and you want to know what you should practice? For all I know you are looking for a complete overhaul of your game, which would be fine of course, but that wasn't what you had communicated. If that's what you want, focus on stance first, stroke second, and then decide on a superior aiming method.

I can picture a whole bunch of very well-intentioned people trying to help you fix your game despite the fact that you failed to mention what needs to be fixed. They might recommend an instructor or school thinking no matter what's wrong with your game their recommended instructor or school should be able to straighten you out. I'm really not trying to give you a hard time. I simply wanted to point you in a logical direction as to how to go about improving your level of play.

First step is to decide on what is being done wrong that needs to be fixed. Second step is to get it fixed. You have already had sufficient competition for increased awareness of your strengths and weaknesses, so now go into a training mode and strengthen those weaknesses. If you are unable to recognize what it is that you are doing wrong, the many teachers and instructors on this forum would need some clues as to what you are having trouble with; you've provided no such clues.

Can you see what would occur if you continually strengthened the weakest parts of your game? You should of course get back into competition when you no longer know what your weaknesses are and then go into training to strengthen them as well. I hope I've helped. I really meant well.

You may continue getting well-intentioned advice that simply won't hit the nail on the head because that nail is yet to be found.

for a better game of pool,

Eddie Robin

PS: A bit of advice re instruction you be receiving; don't go for anything simply because it came from an authority such as a well-known teacher, school, or top-level player or legend. If it can't be explained sufficiently well to a point where you can see for yourself that what you are being taught makes sense; don't buy into it! If an instructor explains what you should do but can't explain why, get another instructor; one who actually does understand what he is teaching well enough to enable explaining it to you.
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[pooltchr]

[[ If an instructor explains what you should do but can't explain why, get another instructor; one who actually does understand what he is teaching well enough to enable explaining it to you.[]

That is probably some of the best advice I have seen in a long time. There should be a reason or explanation for most everything pool related. It's primarily physics and geometry.

Steve

 

[randyg]

Pool school is a waste of time and money i know because i went.

7 mother drills, SPF, is all you will learn and the teacher did not even show us the aiming system SAM because he was ready to go home early on sunday afternoon. but he kept all the money

besides that they are good people i liked Bill the most

RACK'EM JAY: What dates did you attend CUE TECH Pool School?

 

[Majic]

[COLOR="Sienna"]Your level of play is not where you would like and you want to know what you should practice? For all I know you are looking for a complete overhaul of your game, which would be fine of course, but that wasn't what you had communicated. If that's what you want, focus on stance first, stroke second, and then decide on a superior aiming method.

I can picture a whole bunch of very well-intentioned people trying to help you fix your game despite the fact that you failed to mention what needs to be fixed. They might recommend an instructor or school thinking no matter what's wrong with your game their recommended instructor or school should be able to straighten you out. I'm really not trying to give you a hard time. I simply wanted to point you in a logical direction as to how to go about improving your level of play.

First step is to decide on what is being done wrong that needs to be fixed. Second step is to get it fixed. You have already had sufficient competition for increased awareness of your strengths and weaknesses, so now go into a training mode and strengthen those weaknesses. If you are unable to recognize what it is that you are doing wrong, the many teachers and instructors on this forum would need some clues as to what you are having trouble with; you've provided no such clues.

Can you see what would occur if you continually strengthened the weakest parts of your game? You should of course get back into competition when you no longer know what your weaknesses are and then go into training to strengthen them as well. I hope I've helped. I really meant well.

You may continue getting well-intentioned advice that simply won't hit the nail on the head because that nail is yet to be found.

for a better game of pool,

Eddie Robin

PS: A bit of advice re instruction you be receiving; don't go for anything simply because it came from an authority such as a well-known teacher, school, or top-level player or legend. If it can't be explained sufficiently well to a point where you can see for yourself that what you are being taught makes sense; don't buy into it! If an instructor explains what you should do but can't explain why, get another instructor; one who actually does understand what he is teaching well enough to enable explaining it to you.
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Your post is to the point and excellent advice. I am curious, what in your opinion is a superior aiming method?

 

[Eddie Robin]

Suggest ignoring what's been taught in billiard world about dominant eye

Your post is to the point and excellent advice. I am curious, what in your opinion is a superior aiming method?

I was considering a skipping over this message again because your question is one that kinda hurts because I want to provide you with answers and, for a couple of reasons, can't. It will eventually be in a forthcoming book, but who knows when that will be. Been having deal after deal fall through since going out of business in 1997.

If and when I ever do get back into publishing billiard books again, books on fundamentals will not be among the first few printed. Though they happen to be the ones I consider most needed, they will almost certainly be several times tougher to get done. That's mainly because it will go so much against a great many agreed-upon things that will require so much more in the way of explanations, which is mainly because it is so much harder to teach students who are already quite convinced about less workable tech.

There is something I can do that may help you somewhat. My advice is to not be at all concerned about which is your dominant eye! I won't go into detail on the subject but I hope you'll trust that I do know what I’m talking about. I know what you may now be thinking; but that is what so many teach! However, I can't help what others teach.

As for understanding why, that would take more than just a little bit of explaining, probably a couple pages would do it. A guy named Bob Fancher once wrote a paper about the subject of dominant eye that largely supports what I've just told ya. You can probably search the internet for Bob Fancher and then find what he has written on that particular subject.

My personal opinion is that even he doesn't really, fully understand the "whys" behind the subject of dominant eyes, but he certainly explained a lot about results of various tests.

Hope you'll simply trust me on this one,

Eddie Robin