practice stroke speed question.
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Its definately not nonsense, but you should pratice all speeds of stroke b/c you need all speeds to play.
But most shots are made using a similar speed which is just a little bit harder than lag speed. Doesn't it make sense to pratice what your going to be doing most often anyways?
If your praticing banks, what should you pratice more 4railers or single railers? The 1 railers of course b/c thats what you need to make the big majority of the time. Follow me?
hope that helps,
Grey GHost
wait were you talking about praticing your stroke, or your warmup strokes before you shoot? I was talking about praticing your stroke, not warmup strokes.
Warm up strokes can be quick, but aiming strokes need to be slower and methodic.
If you need to pratice your speed to get some feeling b/f the shot, then just do like golfers do and set up beside the ball and take some strokes to get the feel.
Warm up strokes can be quick, but aiming strokes need to be slower and methodic.
If you need to pratice your speed to get some feeling b/f the shot, then just do like golfers do and set up beside the ball and take some strokes to get the feel.
My personal opinion is that it sounds great in theory. I had pondered that myself at one point. In execution it would reak havoc on your rythem.
just remember that warm up strokes, and aiming strokes are two completely diff things.
whats the difference?
MarcusG19...Aiming strokes help some players get "centered" (or relaxed) into their stance, and "aimed" correctly (meaning lined up in a straight line, where you perceived with the shot you have). The truth is you cannot tell if you're 'aimed' correctly until you STOP your cuestick, at the CB. Warmup strokes begin AFTER you're certain you're finished aiming. You do not have to move your cue when you aim...come folks do. Those folks just have to understand the difference between aiming and warming up. Warmup always precede execution, and there should always be a pause at the CB, prior to the last backswing.
Scott Lee
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Scott Lee
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man i go clean an oil spill on the deck and Scott steals all the glory:sorry::wink:
thanks for the backup brother
Nonsense: Case in point, the Break Shot. I would like to see anyone do their warm-up strokes at the same speed of their normal break shot.
I am NOT going to stand behind them....SPF=randyg
you two haven't seen pete petree the cue maker play...shoots pretty solid, but man he warm up strokes so fast I'm always waiting for the shaft to catch on fire.
Back on topic, it's pretty easy to get the feel for your stroke speed before you ever get down on the shot. While you are still standing, most of us bring our bridge hand to the cue, and then lay the cue down on the line. You can take a couple of speed practice strokes while you are still standing up. Then your warm-ups at the cue ball are for tip placement only....you already got your speed.
Steve
Steve
Maybe I'm not that far off
FWIW::thud::thud:
I do most aiming standing up. While finalizing convincing myself of the correct aim line, I rehearse the chosen stroke speed while standing at 'port arms!' facing down the aim line.
With eyes on the object ball aim point (that may not be on the ob), I step into the shot. Maintaining the aim, I go down on the table and place the cuetip very near the base of the cb, while I adjust the bridge arm and hand, bridge length, and grip position to fit the shot that I'm visualizing, and finally, adjust my feet and legs to be in a comfortably solid stance, and allow an unimpeded, down the line, straight stroking motion.
Once set up, I take a couple of fairly slow aim line-confirmation "fine tune" strokes, that start at the bottom center of the ball, and end with cue tip stopped at the cb but at the 'final' 'english'(or lack of) position on the cb.
Keeping the ob aiming point the main focus, I then take a couple of strokes to get my arm to feel the same speed that I was practicing at 'port arms'. Once up to stroke speed, I stop once more at cb momentarily, eyes back to aim point, SHOOT.
Sheesh-I'm tired already.It actually goes fairly quickly-most of the time of the shot is the stand up aim/stroking for speed.
Now-if I could aim more accurately, I might have something.
Note: Maybe I do the aiming standing up because it hurts my old neck to do all the aiming down low on the ball. I guess it's all part of pre-shot routine.
3railkick
Sorry for being long winded-I hadn't focused on the steps before.
FWIW::thud::thud:
I do most aiming standing up. While finalizing convincing myself of the correct aim line, I rehearse the chosen stroke speed while standing at 'port arms!' facing down the aim line.
With eyes on the object ball aim point (that may not be on the ob), I step into the shot. Maintaining the aim, I go down on the table and place the cuetip very near the base of the cb, while I adjust the bridge arm and hand, bridge length, and grip position to fit the shot that I'm visualizing, and finally, adjust my feet and legs to be in a comfortably solid stance, and allow an unimpeded, down the line, straight stroking motion.
Once set up, I take a couple of fairly slow aim line-confirmation "fine tune" strokes, that start at the bottom center of the ball, and end with cue tip stopped at the cb but at the 'final' 'english'(or lack of) position on the cb.
Keeping the ob aiming point the main focus, I then take a couple of strokes to get my arm to feel the same speed that I was practicing at 'port arms'. Once up to stroke speed, I stop once more at cb momentarily, eyes back to aim point, SHOOT.
Sheesh-I'm tired already.It actually goes fairly quickly-most of the time of the shot is the stand up aim/stroking for speed.
Now-if I could aim more accurately, I might have something.
Note: Maybe I do the aiming standing up because it hurts my old neck to do all the aiming down low on the ball. I guess it's all part of pre-shot routine.
3railkick
Sorry for being long winded-I hadn't focused on the steps before.
Actually, most of your aiming should be done before you get down on your shot. It is much easier to see the angle of the shot looking down on it, than it is when you are at table level (3 dimentional vs 2 dimentional). It's the same reason that a football coach has his assistants up in the press box area during a game taking pictures. The spatial relationship between the balls is much easier to recognize when you are above it all.
Steve
ROTFL
...but there are sometimes really some guys where i am gettin a bit *afraid*:grin:
What are you trying to accomplish during your practice strokes? What should you accomplish during them?
I teach my students to use them to verify that their mechanics are aligned correctly to be able to stroke the cue accurately along the shot line, and to verify that the tip will contact the cue ball where they want it to every time the cue comes forward. Moving the cue slowly will make it easy to identify problems with the stroke before it's too late.
I also teach my students to aim and choose their speed at other points during their shooting process.
Can a player be successful doing it differently? Sure they can. Happy Gilmore might be able to shoot play lights out, but could you do it with his style? Why would you want to complicate the process like Happy?
A well developed shooting process that accomplishes what is necessary in a simple and effective sequence will ensure accuracy and consistency by minimizing opportunities for committing errors. That's what all pool players are after.
You might want to work with a BCA instructor in the SPF family to develop your shooting process.
I teach my students to use them to verify that their mechanics are aligned correctly to be able to stroke the cue accurately along the shot line, and to verify that the tip will contact the cue ball where they want it to every time the cue comes forward. Moving the cue slowly will make it easy to identify problems with the stroke before it's too late.
I also teach my students to aim and choose their speed at other points during their shooting process.
Can a player be successful doing it differently? Sure they can. Happy Gilmore might be able to shoot play lights out, but could you do it with his style? Why would you want to complicate the process like Happy?
A well developed shooting process that accomplishes what is necessary in a simple and effective sequence will ensure accuracy and consistency by minimizing opportunities for committing errors. That's what all pool players are after.
You might want to work with a BCA instructor in the SPF family to develop your shooting process.