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[Scott Lee]

What does Bustamante's stroke have to do with PP's aiming system? Bustamante's stroke is repeatable for HIM, not necessarily someone else. He does things he doesn't even know he does, and denies that he does them when people have asked him about it (i.e.: pulling the cuestick completely out of his bridge hand on his backswing. He denies that he does it, but hundreds of people, myself included, have seen it with our own eyes!). This follows the pattern that many top pros have no idea what they do...they just do it, and the ball goes in. Again, this has nothing to do with the 'precise potting' aiming system...which is the topic of this thread.

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

No, I didn't say his method belongs to Bustamante.

It was on the straight and repeatable stroke....... Francisco Bustamante doesn't have a straight and repeatable stroke.

He has different strokes with wrist turns and angles of his wrist.

I thought you call this a "duck"......

That's why I asked if you think Francisco is a "duck".

 

[precisepotting]

ps611846...I don't understand the context of your question. Are you stating that PP's "aiming system" belongs to Bustamante? If that is so, how can PP claim that he invented it? What the heck your second question has to do with anything is unclear.

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

I have qualified in my earlier post that I have withdrawn the claim that I have invented this method. Cornerman has communicated with me and I agree that it isn't something new but maybe old ways were done in a slightly different manner giving it a twist.

So, please do not say that I claimed that I have invented it anymore. I took back my words.

Thanks.

 

[KissedOut]

I have qualified in my earlier post that I have withdrawn the claim that I have invented this method. Cornerman has communicated with me and I agree that it isn't something new but maybe old ways were done in a slightly different manner giving it a twist.

So, please do not say that I claimed that I have invented it anymore. I took back my words.

Thanks.

So, since you did not invent it, why not drop the NDA crap and the secrecy and give us a summary of the method?

Until you do it is all just snake oil.

 

[precisepotting]

So, since you did not invent it, why not drop the NDA crap and the secrecy and give us a summary of the method?

Until you do it is all just snake oil.

Glad you want to know. If so, just sign an NDA and you will know. Is it that difficult ? Why insist on your terms and not respect others? A few have come on board and have confirmed that it is not snake oil, but something legitimate. Why must I patter to your request and reveal what I have done to you just to satisfy you?

I have something good for the amateurs and it is free other than an NDA. Even if it is too much to ask for (evidently it isn't since many have signed), it is still my prerogative.

 

[BeiberLvr]

Glad you want to know. If so, just sign an NDA and you will know. Is it that difficult ? Why insist on your terms and not respect others? A few have come on board and have confirmed that it is not snake oil, but something legitimate. Why must I patter to your request and reveal what I have done to you just to satisfy you?

I have something good for the amateurs and it is free other than an NDA. Even if it is too much to ask for (evidently it isn't since many have signed), it is still my prerogative.

Because demanding an NDA for something that isn't an original idea is like trying to patent the wheel.

 

[ShaunTanYK]

Actually I do not like to debate with you since you are the expert. Sure, most players will trust your words over mine.

I only have this to say: Expert always, yes ALWAYS, say that the stroke must be accurate and repeatable and perfect. Why? That is the only way they can teach. Who doesn't know that anyway??

Whenever there is a "but", Expert will not listen to this "but". Theirs are the true tested way (who in their right frame of mind will again disagree) which takes umpteen years to learn. Any other quick fix method is wrong. Why? It just is as far as they are concern.

Are you saying Scott is wrong?

What is the underlying message you are sending when you said "Experts ALWAYS say this blah blah blah... repeatable and perfect". Can you find me a post by a renowned instructor that claims that the stroke must be accurate and perfect? I agree with repeatability because that is associated with consistency.

Again, instructors are sure of their tested way because simply, these methods withstood time. I'm not against any quick fix, even changing a cocked wrist to a neutral wrist is a quick fix. I'm puzzled on how your method will withstand the test of time...

P/s: Where do you normally play at? It seems that we are from the same country, I would like to see for myself what your system is. NDA is a no problem for me if you are concerned.

 

[Tin Man]

Nda?

I agree there is something about this triggering both my skepticism and my distaste.

There are many, many new twists on old techniques that might help an individual. Most of them are shared openly by players on these forums, on youtube videos, and players at the local halls. Sure, there are legitimate opportunities to make a return on your investment, as instructors give lessons, and there are some nice training materials out there. But neither instructor nor videos make money claiming to have any new or secret information, they simply provide a nice tidy package simplifying the explanation of well known facts. The couple people that have tried to present something as new and improved have been questioned hard about their product and their sales tactics.

There's a snide part of me that wanted to sign the NDA, post the info here, and eat popcorn as he tried to get a lawyer to take the case seriously. But that's the weaker part of me I'll admit. And he does have a right to conduct himself the way he wants. But I am in the camp that is shaking my head slowly.

For the record, I learned how to aim using the ghost-ball and HAMB technique. If you're even in MN I'm happy to show you, and I won't make you sign anything.

 

[RussPrince]

Personally I think you're full of sh!t. I've been playing for 25 years, and never once have I hesitated in sharing what I have learned with others. Aiming systems, caroms, rails, angles, tangent lines, 30 degree lines, masse, jumps, stance, stroke, practice routines, whatever. Never once have I thought, you know I could take advantage of people's need for this kind of information and make a buck off them. That kind of arrogance for a someone as green as you is beyond my comprehension.

You are below amateur with zero credentials, likely have no idea what you're really doing or talking about, and are in no position to be teaching people let alone charging them for it. Take your system and shove it. People will learn anyways, and they can always find helpful people like me that are more than willing to help them for free.

Glad you want to know. If so, just sign an NDA and you will know. Is it that difficult ? Why insist on your terms and not respect others? A few have come on board and have confirmed that it is not snake oil, but something legitimate. Why must I patter to your request and reveal what I have done to you just to satisfy you?

I have something good for the amateurs and it is free other than an NDA. Even if it is too much to ask for (evidently it isn't since many have signed), it is still my prerogative.

 

[precisepotting]

Personally I think you're full of sh!t. I've been playing for 25 years, and never once have I hesitated in sharing what I have learned with others. Aiming systems, caroms, rails, angles, tangent lines, 30 degree lines, masse, jumps, stance, stroke, practice routines, whatever. Never once have I thought, you know I could take advantage of people's need for this kind of information and make a buck off them. That kind of arrogance for a someone as green as you is beyond my comprehension.

You are below amateur with zero credentials, likely have no idea what you're really doing or talking about, and are in no position to be teaching people let alone charging them for it. Take your system and shove it. People will learn anyways, and they can always find helpful people like me that are more than willing to help them for free.

I have already admitted that I am an amateur. Everything that you mentioned can be found in the internet everywhere.

Case in point: I am average in Mathematics. Now, during a calculation of housing loans and you need to do a square root of a big number (6,674,790) and you do not have your hp nor calculator, what do you do. Yes, you are a post grad or an expert in mathematics, but at that point, most are stumped without a gadget and you need it down to 2 decimal points.

An average guy like me can do it manually without any gadget. It goes to show that not all experts will get everything right nor do they know everything about pool/billiard except God.

I didn't know 90/90, Samba, CTE, etc are free.

 

[Bob Jewett]

... you need to do a square root of a big number (6,674,790) ...

Any schoolchild knows that 26 squared is 676 which is about 1 part in 70 too big so just reduce 26 by one part in 140 or 0.2 so the easy approximation is 2580. Or just type sqrt(6,674,790) into google to get 2583.5614953.

There are many things that are both much harder and much easier than they seem.

 

[precisepotting]

Any schoolchild knows that 26 squared is 676 which is about 1 part in 70 too big so just reduce 26 by one part in 140 or 0.2 so the easy approximation is 2580. Or just type sqrt(6,674,790) into google to get 2583.5614953.

There are many things that are both much harder and much easier than they seem.

I said to exact two decimal places and without devices. Point I am driving at is, expert might know most but certainly not all. So, they should be humble to learn and also to comment sensibly.

By the way, square root can be done manually by long division (similar). Lost art.

 

[BeiberLvr]

I didn't know 90/90, Samba, CTE, etc are free.

They aren't.

But they were also created by men with many years of teaching experience, knowledge, and a much higher level of playing ability than you have at the moment.

Need I go on?

 

[bbb]

i hate to take all the fun away
but why not let this thread die and wait for it to be available???
do you really think he has the holy grail of aiming??
he admits its to help beginners on easy shots (i think that is the intended target audience)
doesnt seem he will spill the beans for free

 

[philly]

I have been following this thread off and on. I go back to my original post that stated that these shots he is making on the video are not that difficult. I really have no idea of what is so revolutionary here. Some on here subscribe to many different aiming systems, packaged practice routines, stroke aids, etc. To each his own.

 

[Straightpool_99]

Honestly, who cares what the system is all about. Most here are not his target audience anyway. If he can help people play better, then all the best to him. Remember that he didn't charge anything, he just wanted you to sign an NDA. I'm not signing that, but maybe someone doesn't have the money for this stuff, but are willing to sign, can benefit.

It's hard to beat Tor Lowry for free info, anyway. I may not agree with every technique he's teaching, but as a complete package to improve your game, how are you going to beat him? Hours and hours of sound advice, I pity the fools trying to sell beginner instructional videos these days. If you haven't allready got a good name, you are pretty much screwed, unless if you are targeting a very specialized audience with advanced techniques.

Posting any type of technique on the main forum will only get you grief anyway. Even Tor Lowry has disabled comments on his videos. Certain people only want to drag others down, make fun of and belittle people, and a couple of people on this forum has been revealed to be actual psychopaths. It's really quite depressing. When you put a lot of work into something, just to try to help others, and people just tear you apart for it, that is a really bad feeling. There are great people on the forum too, in fact there are more good people than bad, a lot more, it's just that the bad people are so annoying that they are very hard to overlook.

I guess it's a softer market on here when you actually sell something, because psychologically people want to defend their ego. They don't want to admit to themselves or others that they got hustled. The more they paid, the stronger this mechanism works. The expensive stuff always get great reviews, lol.

 

[precisepotting]

Expensive stuff gets good review? Hmm ...

 

[BeiberLvr]

So much for letting this thread die.

 

[bbb]

i hate to take all the fun away
but why not let this thread die and wait for it to be available???
do you really think he has the holy grail of aiming??
he admits its to help beginners on easy shots (i think that is the intended target audience)
doesnt seem he will spill the beans for free

So much for letting this thread die.

i tried....:grin:

 

[Bob Jewett]

I said to exact two decimal places and without devices. ...

And I got three places without devices -- just really simple math.

BTW, if you don't remember the square of 26, it's really easy to figure it out if you do remember the square of 25, which I think most people know. Just start from 625 and add 25 and 26 to it. The 25 gets you to 650 (easy) and the 26 gets you to 676. This works any time you know one square and want to get to the next. Example, 100*100=10000 (obviously) and 101*101 = 10000+100+101 = 10201.

(with apologies to bbb and Bbrlvr)

 

[Atlatlien]