Predator cues are:
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I know of one guy that ran 526 balls!
I know of one guy that ran 526 balls!
I just don't know how thats possible without an LD shaft?
Defies all logic and physics... especially those in England.I just don't know how guys routinely ran 150 and outs in straight pool during tournament competition. You know Sigel, Miz, Crane, Balsis.. I mean you would think that the high run of those tournaments without an LD shaft would have been like 10...
Or a guy runs 13 racks of 9 ball with a cuetech or something like that...
Or why or how guys even miss today with all this superior technology. I mean really, shouldn't we be seeing runs of 1237 balls? I hear its more than 2x accurate.
BTW.. .Miz, Crane, Balsis, Murphy, Liscotti et al... all won with Balabushkas. If he was alive maybe his cues would be..."Balabushka.. the FIRST performance cue"... *BTW they all PAID for the cues" (allegedly)
JV
Ah, that's classic, Tim. When you can't meet a solid debate on its own terms, just ignore the points altogether, pretend they don't make sense, and insult the opponent instead. Fresh from off of the playground.
-Sean
TheThaiger
Banned
Er, no. What's "classic" is straw manning from Sean et al.
I'm not debating things I'm purported to have said, but haven't. Unlike some, I'm highly consistent.
Let him present his position and support his argument. It won't hurt you. He's mostly responding to others- some of which look more like personal attacks. I have no idea if what they're saying about him is true or not so I will not draw any conclusions from those comments.
That's not to say that I think anything he said in this thread is correct.
For the record, TheThaiger has always been a fan of Predator as far as I recall.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you (TheThaiger) make the point that it was much easier for the English 8-ballers and snooker players to jump over to pool because of the LD cues? I know you have mentioned in the past that the snooker guys don't have to worry much about squirt, so I could see how having to compensate for it at pool would take quite a bit of getting used to.
- just helping a brother out
TheThaiger
Banned
Yeah, that's it exactly. We are not used to deflection at all, and it's a damn sight more difficult to adjust to deflection than it is to the feel of a Predator.
Given deflection serves no useful purposes, what IS the point of high deflecting cues? Why make a hard game more difficult? Doesn't make any sense to me.
Predators give performance and the lowest deflection, but not the feel of a traditional shaft. Two out of three ain't bad, and they're the most important two IMO.
TheThaiger
Banned
The game has changed in recent years, and will continue to do so. The game at the higher levels is essentially pool played on a snooker table. The days of massive bags and slow cloths are long gone. Predators excel for those who play pocket weight, and soft screw/stun shots, on extremely fast cloths. Getting action on the CB with minimum power is essential for the game today. It is more about touch and feel rather than bang bang.
New players, and those in emerging markets, will continue to find high deflecting cues to be unnecessary and anachronistic. You simply don't need a big solid lump of wood to move the CB anymore.
Title of this thread: "Predator cues are:"
The two options in the thread are: "overpriced" or "worth it".
As of this writing, 117 have voted and 3 out of 4 voters feel that the Predator cues are overpriced. I myself feel that they are, but I also feel that almost ALL cues are overpriced.
If I were a builder/manufactuer of a product and I saw a poll that said 3 out of 4 people asked thinks my product is overpriced, I would be concerned that my pricing is costing me sales and would probably immediatley lower my prices at least enough to gain more interest from consumers without taking away from my bottom line.
Getting back to the OP and the original poll (and away from the bickering over a subject that is nothing more than subjective opinion), I am not suprised that so many voters feel the same way I do with Predator cue prices. I think The Thaiger got a little bit of a suprise at the results of the poll though.
Maniac (eagerly awaiting rebuttal and condemnation from across the pond
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The two options in the thread are: "overpriced" or "worth it".
As of this writing, 117 have voted and 3 out of 4 voters feel that the Predator cues are overpriced. I myself feel that they are, but I also feel that almost ALL cues are overpriced.
If I were a builder/manufactuer of a product and I saw a poll that said 3 out of 4 people asked thinks my product is overpriced, I would be concerned that my pricing is costing me sales and would probably immediatley lower my prices at least enough to gain more interest from consumers without taking away from my bottom line.
Getting back to the OP and the original poll (and away from the bickering over a subject that is nothing more than subjective opinion), I am not suprised that so many voters feel the same way I do with Predator cue prices. I think The Thaiger got a little bit of a suprise at the results of the poll though.
Maniac (eagerly awaiting rebuttal and condemnation from across the pond
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TheThaiger
Banned
You do? In what way? I find it hard to see how you can reach that conclusion given what I've said on this thread. :shrug:
Agree with your point about all cues being overpriced. I also think Predators are overpriced, but in relation to many other brands, they're a steal. We're absolute mugs for paying over $200 for any cue, and used prices are ludicrous.
I don't know why there are people crazy about LD shafts, I, personally, tried various LD shafts and decided it is best to me to play with maple shaft, 1st Mezz maple and now Sugartree.
I will never use LD shafts again in my life. again, this is personal, dont tell me that some Pros play with Predator and I should not disapprove them.
I would be happy to pay large amount for a custom cue, but never pay retail price for a production cue.
I will never use LD shafts again in my life. again, this is personal, dont tell me that some Pros play with Predator and I should not disapprove them.
I would be happy to pay large amount for a custom cue, but never pay retail price for a production cue.
TheThaiger
Banned
Where do you play in Hanoi? I only found a couple of tables and one of those needed a government health warning. I still have nightmares about it - in the Hair of the Dog, IIRC.
you are not native, you come to Hanoi and of course it is hard to find a good pool hall. the same happens to my friends who study in the US, they often say that they cannot find a proper table there. it is normal
YEs they do...
I am an authorized repair center for predator and they do split, but with as many as are out there, you would expect some to split. While I have received some that have split, it isn't an inordinate amount. obviously, I can't repair a split shaft, the repair work is typically cracked ferrules or finish problems.
Of all the production LD shafts I would think that predators are the most common and there are SOO many of them out there that for some to have split really doesn't mean much.
Jaden
I am an authorized repair center for predator and they do split, but with as many as are out there, you would expect some to split. While I have received some that have split, it isn't an inordinate amount. obviously, I can't repair a split shaft, the repair work is typically cracked ferrules or finish problems.
Of all the production LD shafts I would think that predators are the most common and there are SOO many of them out there that for some to have split really doesn't mean much.
Jaden
TheThaiger
Banned
I'm not saying it is 'normal'. I asked where is there to play?
If you find yourself at odds with everything American wouldn't the easiest solution be to stay away from America, it's people, and American websites that discuss American versions of pocket-billiards, sell American-made cues, and purchase billiards, pool, and snooker related items from American companies?
I have a neighbor who is a member of the, "anti-every-other-person-on-earth-because-I'm-the-only-one-who's-ever-right" movement. I don't try to correct her to my way of thinking. I just let her do her own thing. It causes the least amount of friction between us.
I have a neighbor who is a member of the, "anti-every-other-person-on-earth-because-I'm-the-only-one-who's-ever-right" movement. I don't try to correct her to my way of thinking. I just let her do her own thing. It causes the least amount of friction between us.
I said because you were just visitng, it is normal that you cannot find a proper pool table in Hanoi. and the fact you cannot find one during your brief visit does not mean there aren't good pool halls/clubs in Hanoi.
we have many pool clubs/halls and even professional training rooms