onepocketchump said:
Until you grab another one and it hits like a twig and the stick on decals start to peel off...then you'll be like WTF...
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Until you grab another one and it hits like a twig and the stick on decals start to peel off...then you'll be like WTF...
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Purdman said:
I think he meant 3 dollars....LOLz
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Craig Fales said:
Naw, he is just selling them and wants you to think he paid 3 to 500 for em so he can get 6 to 1000 for em. That's the American dream Craig. The poorest possible quality at the highest possible price with the least amount of service. Plain and simple! How many people do you think are gonna send their defective cue back to China for repairs?
Rots 'a' Ruck
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Same, I am a knife collector too and I know exactly where you are coming from.JoeyInCali said:
I can think of one reason, they would have to change the name to JossFarEastonepocketchump said:
U bad boy u let the story out ..i knew that was going to happen ..Last year mas produce.O well i hate them anyway..Varney Cues said:
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Purdman said:Naw, he is just selling them and wants you to think he paid 3 to 500 for em so he can get 6 to 1000 for em. That's the American dream Craig. The poorest possible quality at the highest possible price with the least amount of service. Plain and simple! How many people do you think are gonna send their defective cue back to China for repairs?
Rots 'a' Ruck
Purdman
You are both full of crap. When I say I saw and played with cues that can hold up to SouthWest then that's what I saw. Did I say I was selling them! Get a life.
I said they are selling for 3-500 HUNDRED each wholesale IN TAIWAN. That's a LOT for a cue that is 100% constructed in China/Taiwan. The point is that the capability is there to make cues that are every bit as good as anything made in the USA. Whether or not the United States consumer or the importer is willing to PAY for that level of quality is another story.
The stigma and stereotype is that Asia cannot produce a cue that is equal to or better than most American cuemakers. The truth is that they can and do produce such cues but they do not sell them in the USA because of the stigma.
I know you're trying to be funny Don but this is a serious subject with a LOT of misinformation along the way and lots of unscrupulous sellers. It doesn't help to fuel more ignorance with inaccurate and unfounded rumors.
John
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Icon of Sin said:I can think of one reason, they would have to change the name to JossFarEast
LOL that's funny!
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Purdman said:
Do you even bother to read the rest of the paragraph? No because you are ****ING BLINDED.
Why don't you tell us all how many times you have been to Asia and how many cue factories you have been in? Why don't you provide us with the pictures and video of the cue production? Please tell us how involved you have been in the sourcing of raw materials and machinery for cue production.
While you are at it, please tell us how many poolrooms you visited in Asia and how many players you know and have played. Also, we would like to know how many room owners you spent time with.
Until you can tell us that - stay out the conversation with your ignorance. Oh, and learn to read and not take part of the statement out of context. That would help.
John
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Craig Fales said:
You are only thinking of the SouthWest copies that are sold HERE in the USA. Those are no match for SouthWest and the price reflects the cost.
I am specifically talking about cues that are made in China that are sold in Taiwan to Taiwanese players and have the same feel and hit of SouthWest cues. These are proof that if someone is willing to work with a manufacturer to produce exactly what they want and is willinig to PAY for it then they are very likely going to GET exactly what they want.
A US company would be nuts to try and sell Chinese made cues that look like SouthWests for $1000 to $1500 or even for $600 to $900. There is NO MARKET for that cue here. However, in Taiwan among the better players there is certainly a market for cues that play like SouthWest cues and cost a fraction.
Most of you haven't been off the block. I have been fortunate enough to see the world and specifically to see cue production in places that look as though they haven't changed in four centuries to places where you could eat off the floor. I have seen cues that look like expensive cues and play like crap and expensive cues that look like crap and play like crap.
The technology is there to build you whatever level of cue you want to pay for. The quality you will get will be directly related to your ability to ask for the right things.
John
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supergreenman said:
Where do I start?
Um, yes the quality of a shaft produced in a factory can be as good or better than one made by an idividual cuemaker.
The wages are irrelevant. The factory delivers product that must meet the specs of the customer. If they don't then they don't get the orders. You use products every day that are produced in this manner without a second thought about the craftsmanship.
What about the non-union laborer here who is making your shaft for $8 an hour in a land where milk is $3 a gallon? Is this better than the person who makes $1 a day in a land where milk is 10cts a gallon? It's economics 101. Wherever the cost of living is lower so are the wages.
John
onepocketchump said:
Your statement about seeing cues made in the far east built as good and or better than S/W cues is mighty hard to believe. How many of them have you been using for the last 10 to 15 years to have the knowledge of this being a fact and not just an opinion? I've worked on many thousands of cues and as far as I'm concerned, none are built as good as a S/W cue. I can put a butt to a 10 year old S/W cue in my lathe, screw on the shaft and start the lathe with no fear of the shaft occilating at all. It will run just as true as the day it was made. I would not do that with any other cue made in the world.
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onepocketchump said:
Hey John, when the name calling begins, the communication has been lost. Don't get your pantys in a wad because I expressed your business policy. I know a hell of a lot more than you think I do. You also seem to use the word "WE" a lot in your responce. Who is WE John?
I do not buy chep inferior products, so we won't be doing much business together buddy. I wish you all the success that you deserve.
Purdman
It's like this people there are many million people that play pool. Many of those people want to own their own cue. However many people will only alot about $100 for such a purchase. We need a million or so people to make those pool cues. We do not have enough people in the USA willing to do that. Thus China made cues are a necessity. I just don't see much use in the American market for a $500 Chineese mass produced not custom pool cue.
I guess you missed the whole exploiting cheap labor at the expense of domestic labor thing. If everything is manufactured overseas people in north america won't have the money to buy all these products. Economics 202.onepocketchump said:
The Tiger "X" Laminated Shaft achieves lesser cue ball deflection that a standard maple cue shaft with the tip / ferrule combo reducing weight induced tip-end deflection.fullsplicefiend said:
We don't use robots to test these types of things. We have strictly gone by R & D with some of the top players in the game (Shawn Putnam., Troy Frank., George “Ginky” SanSouci, Stefano Pelinga, and myself to name a few. Want more, go here to see who uses our product http://www.tigerproducts.com/proplayers.htm#ProPlayers ).
Speaking of Platinum Billiards Test results, in the past we have requested that remove their testing of our product as the following truths are evident:
There is no validity to this testing.
We never provided any product to them for testing
We have no idea what kind of set up was involved with said testing.
There has never been any evidence provided to us of that this testing even took place.
In the last 3 years, the "X" Laminated Shafts has undergone a great deal of development in manufacturing technique, materials, taper and finish. The supposed results shown by Platinum’s tests are several years old.
This whole testing affair is quite subjective considering that Platinum Billiards is not an independent testing facility; they are one of the largest Predator Dealers out there (the owner was a long time employee of Predator).
Platinum has refused to remove these supposed testing results.
We at Tiger Products welcome an open testing competition of Laminated Cue Shaft and the completed cues that are from the same manufacturer by an independent testing firm. Let's really see!
I have personally contacted all three of the major billiards magazines about this issue and none will touch the issue as they are concerned about alienating one or all of their cue/shaft advertisers.
Ideally, the customer(s) should decide what they want from a high-performance cue/shaft combo, and an independent make an objective comparison.
All of our competition makes a fine product, but you should be the judge of what works best for you!
We gladly challenge the following:
Predator
Universal Smart Shaft / Lucasi
McDermott ICE Shafts / Cues
Meucci Black, Red or whatever color dot they have
OB-1 shafts / Cues
And whoever else wants in. Let’s limit it to 7 (just a nice number).
We are happy to share the costs involved with each of the participants.
The gauntlet has been thrown!
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The PHOENIX said:
Both my Wife and I have had forced job changes in the last 4 years due to international outsourcing!
CrownCityCorey,
I can certainly understand your valid points about Platinum Billiards tests. Having said that, my own testing of many shafts shows that quite clearly the X shaft does deflect more than the Z, 314, OB-1. It's not even close. The fact that some professionals use it says nothing about how much it squirts the cue ball.
Surely you aren't saying that you think the X shaft creates less cue ball squirt than those others?
I can certainly understand your valid points about Platinum Billiards tests. Having said that, my own testing of many shafts shows that quite clearly the X shaft does deflect more than the Z, 314, OB-1. It's not even close. The fact that some professionals use it says nothing about how much it squirts the cue ball.
Surely you aren't saying that you think the X shaft creates less cue ball squirt than those others?
http://www.platinumbilliards.com/rating_deflect.phpshinobi said:
That's the test data page.
Meucci Red Dot and Cuetec have less cb squirt than Tiger X?
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