predator shaft with an ivory ferrule

[The_Ski_Mask]

this guy i know is replacing the original predator ferrule with ivory ferrules then reselling as a "better" shaft . I thought that the ferrule that came with the cue was all part of the modern technology which produces the lower deflection. anyone know for sure?

 

[BVal]

this guy i know is replacing the original predator ferrule with ivory ferrules then reselling as a "better" shaft . I thought that the ferrule that came with the cue was all part of the modern technology which produces the lower deflection. anyone know for sure?

The ivory ferrule would defeat the purpose of the original ferrule. Makes no sense to me. It would only be more expensive because of the Ivory.

BVal

 

[gwjackal]

IMO and maybe many others. An Ivory ferrule on a cue is more of a novelty item for collector cues. It does play good but it also bone and will eventually break on you. Thier are many great materials that are amde by man that serve this pupose better. Some swear by this others swear by that. If your friend plans on trying to remarket the predator shaft with an ivory ferrule as a better shaft. I think he might be in for a big lawsuit in the future. Predator has a very good R&D program and they have there reasons for doing things just like everyone else. If he can provide proven facts instead of a "well it must be better it's ivory attitude" it might work with the consent of The Predator group of course.


I think your friend should find a different hobby but that's just me. Taking something that has a lot of time and money invested into it as well as a good following of players to back it will be a hard sell.

Do you know his reasoning? Do you know his instalation methods? What would make his so much better, besides more deflection?




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[The_Ski_Mask]

I think your friend should find a different hobby but that's just me.

he's not my friend... just wanted some facts on his altering, I personally think he is ruining the shaft. I have to believe that there is more deflection after the alteration

 

[BVal]

he's not my friend... just wanted some facts on his altering, I personally think he is ruining the shaft. I have to believe that there is more deflection after the alteration

There would be more deflection. imo.

BVal

 

[kaznj]

I know someone who did this. I told this to the predator people at valley forge. They said the ferrule is designed to work with the shaft as they make it. Everything works together to get the results that predator is famous for. Changing the ferrule in any way, especially to ivory makes it just another shaft, not a predator.

Ivory was popular back when other materials didn't work well. Today there are plastics that are much better. Also, ivory causes more deflection. Ivory looks nice. It cleans up much better than the predator ferrules.

 

[mosconiac]

DZ Cues posted their measurements of various ferrule materials here:

http://www.dzcues.com/ferrule_weight_comparison.htm

You will see why OB chose maple and why ivory would be a horrible decision on a predator. He's ruining the shaft IMO.

 

[Bamacues]

Lots of people like ivory ferrules, especially with higher end cues. I like them because they are easy to clean and look sweet. However, there are several products today that play better, IMO.

Replacing a Predator ferrule with an ivory ferrule defeats the technology of the shaft. The end of the shaft on a Predator shaft is hollow beneath the ferrule for a few inches. This, along with their ferrule technology, is what gives the shaft the low deflection. In order to put an ivory ferrule onto a Predator shaft, you need to insert a dowel/tenon into the hollow area of the shaft, plugging it, then installing the ivory ferrule. You no longer have a low deflection shaft when that is done. I do know several people who have done it and love the way the combination plays, however.

Joe

 

[rhncue]

Lots of people like ivory ferrules, especially with higher end cues. I like them because they are easy to clean and look sweet. However, there are several products today that play better, IMO.

Replacing a Predator ferrule with an ivory ferrule defeats the technology of the shaft. The end of the shaft on a Predator shaft is hollow beneath the ferrule for a few inches. This, along with their ferrule technology, is what gives the shaft the low deflection. In order to put an ivory ferrule onto a Predator shaft, you need to insert a dowel/tenon into the hollow area of the shaft, plugging it, then installing the ivory ferrule. You no longer have a low deflection shaft when that is done. I do know several people who have done it and love the way the combination plays, however.

Joe

Most of, if not all of what you say is exactly dead on. Many like the way the Predator shaft plays and many don't. They use a softer, lighter ferrule that some have problems getting used to. Changing to a harder ferrule does improve the feel to many who never liked the hit of the original ferrule. Problem is, as already been stated, it no longer has it's low deflection properties. If this is the type of feel that you want and can't live without why waste money and buy the Predator shaft to start with? Predator is well aware of what many people feel about the way that their shaft feels because of this ferrule and don't you believe they would change it them self if it wouldn't be a detriment to the shafts low deflection. I often make the comparison of a 500,000.00 Nascar race car on a track. The car turns left at a 180 mph and holds the road. To attain this, the geometry of the suspension is very very stiff. The track has to be very smooth so as not to beat the driver to death. He still is completely whore out after every race. Now along comes a mechanic who says I can fix that. He pulls the suspension and puts in soft springs and shocks so the car now rides like a big ole 75 Ford station wagon. Very smooth and the driver feels very comfortable feeling no bumps what so ever. It's true that the mechanic did as he said he would - he made the car ride and feel much better but in doing so the car now rolls over at 75 mph. He has taken a 500,000.00 race car and turned it into a 10,000.00 station wagon. Same thing a mechanic does when he changes the ferrule type on a Predator shaft. He may improve the feel but destroys what the shaft was built for.

Dick

 

[SCCues]

I know someone who did this. I told this to the predator people at valley forge. They said the ferrule is designed to work with the shaft as they make it. Everything works together to get the results that predator is famous for. Changing the ferrule in any way, especially to ivory makes it just another shaft, not a predator.

Ivory was popular back when other materials didn't work well. Today there are plastics that are much better. Also, ivory causes more deflection. Ivory looks nice. It cleans up much better than the predator ferrules.

If you alter a predator shaft then you've altered the hit and will increase deflection. Your comments are right on the money and putting an ivory ferrule on a predator shaft makes no sense at all to me.

James