Predator Z better than conventional shafts?

Rpm said:
I traveled to a pool tournament recently a friend whom I see once or twice a year switched to the new predator z, he told me he feels like he's cheating when he uses it. So I was wondering if anyone else felt the same way?
Thanx for your input
Rpm

I have a Predator SP with a Z shaft that also fits
on a Lucasi I have. I can't get used to it. I'll make
a few balls & then a shot goes haywire. Some posters
have said it takes a while to get used to it. Could be
true. I have so many cues I don't shoot with it much.
However I played the other day with a Tiger X shaft &
liked it immediately.
 
It all goes back to personal preference and your style of play. I have owned and played most of the cues out there. I used to shoot with my Southwest, but put it away some time back after a drunk knocked it down and damaged it (took me a long time to get it and then to get it fixed). I play with an old (one of the early ones) Predator SP. I like the 314. I tried the Z, but found that, for my game, it was not the answer. I seemed to throw all my longer shots....probably due to the fact that my eyes aren't what they used to be, so I wasn't really hitting exactly where I intended, and the small diameter on the Z was less forgiving. That's my excuse anyway. Try as many different kinds of cues and shafts as you can. There is not one correct cue or shaft for every game. If the Z works for you and you have confidence in it, then it will improve your game....at least until that night where you lose the house and it is the cue's fault..........
 
All shafts are good, it's down to the player. I don't think it is fair to compare various cues and shafts if you shot only a few times. You have to shoot constantly for a few weeks at least. And even then it's just a matter of adjusting. Just like adjusting to a different table, no big deal. I chose the Z only because of 11.75mm diameter and that conical taper. Short ferrule also looks neat. Feels great with my long thin fingers.
 
Comparing Equipment

I don't own a Preditor, I now shoot with the McDermott I-2 which has been an adjustment for me. Even after only playing seriously for a couple 3 months, When the new shaft came and I switched over my game particularly the long shot suffered.......I followed some good advice I read here and put in the table time....I'm finally getting used to the shaft, and my game is reflecting that.

It will take some time to adjust to the stiffer hit of the shaft, and especially with the Z (11.75mm tip) the smaller tip diameter is less forgiving...

A great resource for product comparison is Platinumbilliards.com. They do squirt/deflection comparisons on all the cue and shafts on the market. They evaluate which cues break the fastest, and even compare chalks based on how for off center ball you can hit without miscue....Master's was the best by a mm or 2.

Banger
 
MattRDavis said:
Your cynicism is boring and irrelevant.

-Matt

With all due respect, Matt, i have brought up the
same thing over the years. Mosconi, Hoppe & those
guys never heard of deflection, squirt, etc. Wonder
how those old boys got as good as they did? Just
imagine if Willie's cue didn't squirt!
 
Get your game together FIRST and then switch to a Predator. Only THEN can you truly appreciate it.

I like the 314 better than the Z.
 
I actually like the Z shaft quite a bit. When I first tried it I had been shooting with a 314 for a few years prior. Then my cue was stolen and I had to replace it, so I tried the Z.

At first, the Z had so little deflection that I was missing shots by over compensating. I adjusted, and started to play very with it after a few weeks. I can understand why so many people that try it don't like it initially. Most hit less than a dozen shots, before deciding they don't like the hit. They judge it on feel primarily and their success while trying it only briefly. It does take more time than most shafts to adjust to, and it is a pretty stiff hit.

I like it becasue I can achieve shape effortlessly that would otherwise require a hitting the cueball so off center that you are in jeopardy of a miscue with another shaft. That is the beauty of the Z. You don't have to hit as far from center to get the same cueball action. Just hint at some right english and you'll get plenty. The Z transfers more spin than most can handle. The downside it that if you strike the cueball off center at all, you will miss badly and walk away from the table scrathing your head. On the plus side, if you are an extreme precision player that likes to keep his game very compact, like me, then it is like a razor versus a butter knife.

I also like to play a lot of draw. I will stop balls when others will go three rails. Sure, they play the shots more naturally (by this I mean alter the natural path of the cueball less), and it looks fancy and all, but they also go two rails and scratch, or go three rails and park it behind an opponent's ball. I can go multiple rails too, but I have a much better out percentage when playing compact, direct and simple. They will let the cueball travel 5 or 6 feet and park it plus or minus 8 inches from their intended leave. However, I will only allow the cueball to ge 5 or 6 inches and will leave it plus or minus 1/4 inch.

Furthermore, I can kill a cueball as good as anyone on a cut when using the Z. I can also draw backwards on a cut (to some degree). A lot of people don't even consider drawing the cueball on a cut because they don't hit crisp enough and can't get enough action. The Z is also superior for stun shots, which is another underutilized position shot.

Having said all this I should mention that I much prefer the congestion and precision of 8-Ball to the long strokes and pattern play of 9-Ball. This may be part of the reason I like it too.
 
use whatever feels good

I am a big predator fan, I really like the way they hit. However, I dug my viking out the other day and shot lights out with it. I didn't notice any major deflection or anything. Does that mean that my predator is junk?..... NO. It just means that any cue can shoot good and it's all personal preference. There are many aftermarket shafts out there these days and they are all good for some and bad for others. I don't think you could possible get a solid answer about any shaft being "better than another" because there is no right answer. Also with anything in life... the equipment can be the best but it doesn't make a damn bit of difference if the person using it isn't any good
 
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I have been playing with a 314 shaft for about two or three years and love it. It took me about 4 to 6 hours of practicing with the 314 to become acquainted with the accuracy and firmness of the hit that it delivers to a shot.
It has been my experience, when I turn shafts on my lathe, the 314's run truer than those that are production made or even ones from most custom cue makers. I haven't come across any personal good or bad reviews on the Z shaft. I will probably buy one if I could find it for 150 or 160 bucks. However, it doesn't look like that will happen any time real soon.
 
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