Premium Chalks – Are They Worth It?

dr_dave said:
Yep, if you use gearing outside spin, you can prevent all throw and cling/skid/kick effects.
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Late to this party…..

Wait. You’re saying that you can use gearing outside spin to counteract skid? I agree that for many shots, outside can compensate for “normal” throw, but how can you predict and use gearing English to counteract the ADDITIONAL throw one gets when the exact spot of chalk contacts the object ball?
 
dquarasr said:
Wait. You’re saying that you can use gearing outside spin to counteract skid? I agree that for many shots, outside can compensate for “normal” throw, but how can you predict and use gearing English to counteract the ADDITIONAL throw one gets when the exact spot of chalk contacts the object ball?
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No prediction needed, if the skid does not occur. I don't think I've ever seen a skid happen when outside english was applied.
 
jtaylor996 said:
I think my point is that it doesn't feel like the conclusion (which I do agree with) is well supported here. I just hear "it's cleaner" (the conclusion) but "it skids the same" is the only result presented (other than "it's harder to see the chalk marks").

Maybe this weekend I'll try skid test with "typical" levels of chalk spots rather than "CB blasted center hit" chalk spots and see if there is less skid in that scenario. I've got the old predator, masters, and V10 to try. Prepare for a terrible quality video.
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Good idea. I look forward to seeing your results, regardless of the video quality.
 
Pubo said:
So I understand that when the shot is good, there's no sliding involved, hence no sliding friction.
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Bingo. There is no sliding with a good hit.

Pubo said:
But when miscue happens, the tip slides, right?
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Yes.

Pubo said:
It seems that the two situations are very different.
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They are. That's why the CB heads where you expect with a good hit and doesn't with a miscue.
 
dr_dave said:
Yep, if you use gearing outside spin, you can prevent all throw and cling/skid/kick effects.
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dquarasr said:
Wait. You’re saying that you can use gearing outside spin to counteract skid? I agree that for many shots, outside can compensate for “normal” throw, but how can you predict and use gearing English to counteract the ADDITIONAL throw one gets when the exact spot of chalk contacts the object ball?
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If there is gearing outside spin, there is no relative motion between the CB and OB surfaces during contact, so there can be no throw (the normal amount or an excessive amount due to cling).
 
Croc said:
I used to play with a house branch and triangle chalk in the early 70s lately. I’ve been using masters gray chalk because the light gray chalk doesn’t show up on your Cue Stick or any cloth you play on. PS I used to draw the cue ball straight back just above the side pocket around the table 7 rails along with Melvin Taylor back in circa 1971 Merguards bowling and Poolroom Cincinnati Ohio !
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Will you diagram this? It sounds very interesting.
 
I’m going to speculate that if the balls used in the World 8 ball were Aramith Tournament and not Predator Arcos II, that some of those skids would not occur. Since the Arcos II use a Super Aramith pro formula, those balls seem to get more dirty than the Aramith Tournament resin balls.
 
briclops said:
I’m going to speculate that if the balls used in the World 8 ball were Aramith Tournament and not Predator Arcos II, that some of those skids would not occur. Since the Arcos II use a Super Aramith pro formula, those balls seem to get more dirty than the Aramith Tournament resin balls.
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No. Not enough difference to amount to anything. I've played Duramith and SAP resin balls and can't tell ANY difference in how the play or the supposed lessening of skids/kicks.
 
dr_dave said:
FYI, I just posted a new video that objectively tests the most popular new “premium” chalks to see how they compare to traditional Master chalk. The chalks tested are the medium hardness Predator Pure, Kamui Roku 6, and Taom V10. They are tested for miscue limit, persistence on the tip, persistence on the CB, and cling/skid/kick. Check it out:


Contents:
0:00 - Intro
0:49 - Miscue Limit
3:22 - # of Shots Before Miscue
5:17 - Chalk Mark Persistence
---- 5:38 – cling definition and demonstrations
---- 6:19 – FSR and SVB cling examples
---- 7:07 – chalk tests
8:42 - Cling/Skid/Kick
10:56 - Wrap Up

As always, I look forward to your feedback, comments, questions, complaints, and requests.

Enjoy!
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Does anybody know for sure the correct pronunciation of "Taom?" In this video, I pronounced it "tay-om," and in a past video I pronounced it "taum," but I wonder if it should be "tay-ohm" instead.
 
dr_dave said:
Lou, you are really a "piece of work" (not just based on your posts in this thread, but your long pattern of unwarranted negative attacks against both me and Bob Jewett over the years, with little or no provocation from us). I hope, for your own benefit, you are not like this in person. :(
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Unfortunately even though I have him blocked I still see some of his turd posts when people quote the piece of work, gee, thanks Doc. :):):)
 
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dr_dave said:
Does anybody know for sure the correct pronunciation of "Taom?" In this video, I pronounced it "tay-om," and in a past video I pronounced it "taum," but I wonder if it should be "tay-ohm" instead.
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It is Finnish way to pronounce it coz it is Finnish innovation.
Here is interview from TAOM Ceo before V10 was released. You can hear it around 30 sec mark when they start interview.
 
Poolmanis said:
It is Finnish way to pronounce it coz it is Finnish innovation.
Here is interview from TAOM Ceo before V10 was released. You can hear it around 30 sec mark when they start interview.
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How would you spell it phonetically? "tah' oom?"
 
The more I think about it, the more I think “Taom” spoken as “taum” is functionally correct for a native English speaker.

The standard for pronouncing foreign proper titles for English speakers is to approach it like you would in your own native tongue, even if it’s physically possible to pronounce it the “correct” way.

Examples: Shanghai is more properly pronounced Shonghai. The Belgian beer “Hoegardden” is really pronounced “Who-garden” in Flemish.

This is in contrast to (for instance) Spanish, where the standard is to actually translate the title to the extent possible. An example here is Spanish speakers will say “Nuevo York”, whereas English speakers will just mis-pronounce “Puerto Rico” instead of calling it “Rich Port”
 
I just played my first session with fancy chalk and I am pretty impressed. Hardly had to chalk up and the tip really grabbed the cue ball nicely.

In general, I am slow to new technology. But I’ve recently bought a case, jump cue, and carbon fiber playing shaft. And now the fancy chalk. I feel like a bit of a sellout but I do feel like I am playing stronger.

Now, I am off to go buy an AirTag for my $30 piece of chalk. 😜🤪😝
 
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