Pro Cut Pockets

[rexus31]

Ok. Redo.
This^^^ got changed from steep to wide.

Just to clarify, the more towards obtuse the facing, the smaller the "make" target is. Generally, anything less than an obtuse ball entry into the facing will bounce into the other facing and at speed will send the ball into a standing wave.

Grazing the rail on the way in can work to a degree by generating running spin that becomes reverse spin at the facing. This has at least two pertinent effects. The reverse spin will diminish the ball momentum, slowing the ball into drop speed and should the ball make it to the second facing, any residual spin will now be running spin. ie into the abyss spin...
If the shot is carrying too much speed and spin, it can enter the "standing wave" zone and rattle infinitely...

Diamond (hallowed ground evidently) has did the matt to make sure you can slam it down the rail.

Pro Cut:
Marketing.

Last time I respond here. Diamond calls it “Pro Cut” because 4.5” pockets were the norm on Diamonds for professional play prior to Matchroom. There’s nothing special about the way they are cut (geometry). I’m out!

 

[straightline]

Last time I respond here. Diamond calls it “Pro Cut” because 4.5” pockets were the norm on Diamonds for professional play prior to Matchroom. There’s nothing special about the way they are cut (geometry). I’m out!

Just saying marketing. Why call it anything? Check it out (<----- I don't use this expression either) The guy who knows everything starts a thread to ask what Pro Cut means. Many respond, you respond to me with corrections, fine. I now know how you'd say it. woot.

 

[maha]

in the end the tougher the pockets the harder it is to get good. counter intuitive for sure but true.

you get frustrated never making many shots that would ordinarily go in and lose interest.
player pool is smaller because beginners dont want to continue.
you dont learn position easily as just making the ball is the most important thing.
cheating the pockets for position is way too tough for anyone really to use it effectively until they can pocket balls at a high level.
besides unless dedicated practice is your goal, the game is not fun on tight pockets for the vast majority.

that is why calling them pro cut is appropo as they are fine for pro players. which no one here is such. other than in their own mind.

 

[Black-Balled]

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It's just marketing. ...

Aside from the measurement and the fact there's more rubber to play with, yeah...just marketing.

 

[straightline]

I think I covered all that. It's still just a pocket opening. I played a lot on Murreys and the cut is similar, perhaps not as deep as the deepest Diamonds and even those got boring. The Palace in Bellflower had a - maybe a couple super shimmed tables and those I liked. The physics of a wide aperture pocket are mostly irrelevant to me. The interesting stuff happens on the table anyway, I wanna hit the pocket and be done with the ball in question.
Marketing, Yes.

 

[iusedtoberich]

I think I covered all that. It's still just a pocket opening. I played a lot on Murreys and the cut is similar, perhaps not as deep as the deepest Diamonds and even those got boring. The Palace in Bellflower had a - maybe a couple super shimmed tables and those I liked. The physics of a wide aperture pocket are mostly irrelevant to me. The interesting stuff happens on the table anyway, I wanna hit the pocket and be done with the ball in question.
Marketing, Yes.

You have to remember when Diamond came on the scene the only way to get a tighter pocket was for a mechanic to add shims.

Diamond designed tighter pockets into their table by using longer cushions.

They then gave that a marketing name, yes, of “pro-cut pockets”.

It did deserve a marketing name, imo, because no other brand was doing anything close to Diamond.