PRO ONE for Dummies, using *GASP* a diagram.

[stan shuffett]

Can CTE/Pro One be used to pocket the red ball in the marked corner in the attached picture? If not why not?

Assume the table is proportioned properly and the balls are regulation balls.

Nice table.

No, REAL CTE would not pocket the ball anywhere by system, but serendipitously, maybe, but most likely a center pocket shot to any pocket by CTE would be of EXTREMELY low probability.

My geometry video, part 2, on YouTube basically outlines why.
CTE yields aims to right angles on a 2 x 1 table.
There is a variation technique in Pro One that could pocket that ball rather easily.

The diagrammed shot is NOT really a CTE shot. It spears to a 1/8 ball overlap shot that could be made as a 1 line visual and an inside sweep....1 line visuals in the truest sense are adjustments to CTE.

Stan Shuffett

 

[mohrt]

Can CTE/Pro One be used to pocket the red ball in the marked corner in the attached picture? If not why not?



Assume the table is proportioned properly and the balls are regulation balls.

Is guess not, or quite
limited success as there is no perfect square. Build it and give it a shot.

 

[8pack]

Can CTE/Pro One be used to pocket the red ball in the marked corner in the attached picture? If not why not?

Assume the table is proportioned properly and the balls are regulation balls.

I dont see why not,that shot could be placed on a regular table(same angle)......rite?

 

[nobcitypool]

If a = the width of the short rail on this table and b = the length and 2 * a = b, the red ball should go to the pocket with the red arrow using CTE/Pro One. Unless it just was happenstance, I don't believe CTE/Pro One would make the ball in pocket x.

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[8pack]

There should be a pro1 line up for the angle.How you guys come up thats not a pro1 shot is unbelievable.Do you not realize how crazy this sounds ...lol

Until you come up with answers that make sense your always going to have confusion.It is more than 100 percent your own fault you get questioned...And you should be .

Anthony

 

[mohrt]

I dont see why not,that shot could be placed on a regular table(same angle)......rite?

CTE uses the perception of the ball positions on the table, so yes you can pocket the shot, but highly doubtful CTE perceptions will work. Maybe some will, so like I said maybe hit or miss.

 

[8pack]

CTE uses the perception of the ball positions on the table, so yes you can pocket the shot, but highly doubtful CTE perceptions will work. Maybe some will, so like I said maybe hit or miss.

You guy's have committed to many wrongs to make all what you say rite.
Let me explain something for you Mohrt, playing pool is about angles,not that you must know them but they are there.It doesnt matter where the pockets are or how the table is set up.One pocket can have the relationship from 0 to 90 degree's for a shot.(that has a possibility of going):wink: To say that an angle and pocket will only work on a regular pool table is wrong.

We do just have so many angles we deal with on a pool table don't we?
If I placed a pop can 4 inches over from the middle diamond on the end rail and we had a ob center table , gave you ball in hand could you hit it(the pop can) with pro1?

 

[cookie man]

You guy's have committed to many wrongs to make all what you say rite.
Let me explain something for you Mohrt, playing pool is about angles,not that you must know them but they are there.It doesnt matter where the pockets are or how the table is set up.One pocket can have the relationship from 0 to 90 degree's for a shot.(that has a possibility of going):wink: To say that an angle and pocket will only work on a regular pool table is wrong.

We do just have so many angles we deal with on a pool table don't we?
If I placed a pop can 4 inches over from the middle diamond on the end rail and we had a ob center table , gave you ball in hand could you hit it(the pop can) with pro1?

No.... Can't hit it with strict pro-one. Pro-one takes you to a pocket on a regulation table, doesn't take u anywhere else.

 

[croscoe]

Perception is used a lot to discribe how CTE works or seems to be. Or is it a perception that it works?

The comment above is a bit of a play on words. So don't go getting affended !!

I asked a few questions, but see no answers even from the man that likely knows the system best.

I know I know honey vs lemon or something like that.


The above few post reference to odd table kind of go to my question. in that is the angle to the pocket not a part of the first thought process to decide A,B,C etc...
Using CTE, would someone expect to be able to pocket any OB given the fact OB path to a given pocket is clear.

 

[8pack]

No.... Can't hit it with strict pro-one. Pro-one takes you to a pocket on a regulation table, doesn't take u anywhere else.

I guess combo's are out of the question!

 

[nb92]

I guess combo's are out of the question!

No... see DVD 2 ... Thank you for your time.:grin-square:

 

[mohrt]

You guy's have committed to many wrongs to make all what you say rite.

Let me explain something for you Mohrt, playing pool is about angles,not that you must know them but they are there.It doesnt matter where the pockets are or how the table is set up.One pocket can have the relationship from 0 to 90 degree's for a shot.(that has a possibility of going):wink: To say that an angle and pocket will only work on a regular pool table is wrong.



We do just have so many angles we deal with on a pool table don't we?

If I placed a pop can 4 inches over from the middle diamond on the end rail and we had a ob center table , gave you ball in hand could you hit it(the pop can) with pro1?

Wow I had it all wrong! Thanks for the insight. Happy new year! I'm starting early

 

[stan shuffett]

Perception is used a lot to discribe how CTE works or seems to be. Or is it a perception that it works?

The comment above is a bit of a play on words. So don't go getting affended !!

I asked a few questions, but see no answers even from the man that likely knows the system best.

I know I know honey vs lemon or something like that.


The above few post reference to odd table kind of go to my question. in that is the angle to the pocket not a part of the first thought process to decide A,B,C etc...
Using CTE, would someone expect to be able to pocket any OB given the fact OB path to a given pocket is clear.

No, angles rarely should enter into one's thought processes. MOST every CB OB relationship can be made to a desired pocket with a 15 or 30 degree perception. The 45 and. 60 can be used as needed.
CTE PRO ONE mostly connects to all pockets unless you just have something unusual such as butting the CB up to an OB near a rail. There are just some shots where a safe is preferable over an attempted pot.

Stan Shuffett

 

[BeiberLvr]

There are just some shots where a safe is preferable over an attempted pot.

Stan Shuffett

Great point, and something I've sort of had to relearn.

If there was one "negative" about my Pro One learning experience, it was remembering that you don't always have to go for the shot.

Just because the system is 100% perfect, does not mean, that we as humans are incapable of making mistakes. System or no system, tough shots are tough.

 

[stan shuffett]

Great point, and something I've sort of had to relearn.

If there was one "negative" about my Pro One learning experience, it was remembering that you don't always have to go for the shot.

Just because the system is 100% perfect, does not mean, that we as humans are incapable of making mistakes. System or no system, tough shots are tough.

Stevie, once upon a time, experienced exactly what you described. There was one event that Stevie went for everything....... Of course, he soon realized that he was being too aggressive and quickly backed off that approach.

Hal was a huge advocate of safe outside of the CTE shots. There were plenty of exceptions but he thought it was always best to let the other guy make the mistake.

Stan Shuffett

 

[JB Cases]

You guy's have committed to many wrongs to make all what you say rite.
Let me explain something for you Mohrt, playing pool is about angles,not that you must know them but they are there.It doesnt matter where the pockets are or how the table is set up.One pocket can have the relationship from 0 to 90 degree's for a shot.(that has a possibility of going):wink: To say that an angle and pocket will only work on a regular pool table is wrong.

We do just have so many angles we deal with on a pool table don't we?
If I placed a pop can 4 inches over from the middle diamond on the end rail and we had a ob center table , gave you ball in hand could you hit it(the pop can) with pro1?

Committed wrongs? Like what?

Have you spent the time on this that Stan and others have?

Bottom line is that there is not one shot directly to a pocket that can't be handled with CTE. And there isn't any banks that can not be handled.

Based on all the teaching aids Stan created and the sheer amount of thought and video proof/demonstration he has put forth it would be respectful for you to be respectful.

I mean what exactly is your problem? Are you not happy with HOW we choose to teach aiming?

Anthony you play great I think based on your videos. But unless I missed it you have not given one single bit of instruction to anyone publicly.

Stan, Mohrt, Dave Segal, me, and many others have given detailed instructions according to our experience and ability.

I guess I fail to understand why you are acting so mean. This is a group of folks whose only goal is to help others play better pool and you seem to have a major problem with that.

I thought based on your videos that you also wanted to help people play better pool. But I am confused then as to why you are in permanent attack mode if you in fact share the same goal.

Yes pool is about angles but no pool player really thinks in angles when they play. I promise that even the smartest math geeks don't think of shots in degrees when they are playing.

If we all have the same goal why are you arguing? So what if Stan uses terminology and concepts you personally don't like? It is his judgement to use terms that make sense to him to communicate the concepts he wants to impart.

The end result has been that many of us understand the language used and we end up as better players. If some one tries it and is unable to grasp it then so what? Try something else and maybe that is what clicks.

The balls don't lie. Either players are making more shots consistently or not. There is wisdom in crowds. When a lot of folks report similar results then most researchers tend to conclude that the reported results are going to be fairly accurate.

So again, what's the actual problem here?

 

[JB Cases]

As for hitting targets other than pockets every method including ghost ball is still available to the shooter. I still use ghost ball plenty for shots where I find it to be the best choice to estimate the shot line or tangent line. A smart player uses all the tools when he needs to.

 

[Gerry Williams]

I haven't thought about an angle in 14 months. GB or other methods connect you with 1 pocket somewhat accurately. CTE connects with many because of the geometry of the table and the system. Stan and others have demonstrated this very well. As a matter of fact Stan makes 9 different shots from the same setup on his second DVD - I would love to see someone make those pocket connections without CTE.

Anthony - have you seen or studied CTE Pro One? I like you and I think you add some good insight here but unless you have studied it and taken it to the table you are not qualified to speak to it - sounds harsh but it isn't meant to be.

You cannot read about this - you have to use it.

I have set personal bests in all my practice routines since I converted to Pro One and I won my singles league last season after using it for 6 months - and believe me it was a tough field.

Recently had 65 and 70 in 14.1 A little short of my 100 goal but I never played it much this past year.

Happy New Year to all you AZer's.

Gerry

You guy's have committed to many wrongs to make all what you say rite.
Let me explain something for you Mohrt, playing pool is about angles,not that you must know them but they are there.It doesnt matter where the pockets are or how the table is set up.One pocket can have the relationship from 0 to 90 degree's for a shot.(that has a possibility of going):wink: To say that an angle and pocket will only work on a regular pool table is wrong.

We do just have so many angles we deal with on a pool table don't we?
If I placed a pop can 4 inches over from the middle diamond on the end rail and we had a ob center table , gave you ball in hand could you hit it(the pop can) with pro1?

 

[BeiberLvr]

I haven't thought about an angle in 14 months. GB or other methods connect you with 1 pocket somewhat accurately. CTE connects with many because of the geometry of the table and the system. Stan and others have demonstrated this very well. As a matter of fact Stan makes 9 different shots from the same setup on his second DVD - I would love to see someone make those pocket connections without CTE.

Anthony - have you seen or studied CTE Pro One? I like you and I think you add some good insight here but unless you have studied it and taken it to the table you are not qualified to speak to it - sounds harsh but it isn't meant to be.

You cannot read about this - you have to use it.

I have set personal bests in all my practice routines since I converted to Pro One and I won my singles league last season after using it for 6 months - and believe me it was a tough field.

Recently had 65 and 70 in 14.1 A little short of my 100 goal but I never played it much this past year.

Happy New Year to all you AZer's.

Gerry

According to Anthony, he's put in more hours on CTE than everyone here.

 

[cookie man]

According to Anthony, he's put in more hours on CTE than everyone here.

His version of cte, not Stan's.