PRO ONE for Dummies, using *GASP* a diagram.

[8pack]

Dedicating myself to what?

You use an aiming system. Maybe not CTE but something similar. Unless you lied about it in past posts you have said you use a mixture of systems.

Barking? Who is barking? Give me a break, IF anyone really wants to record themselves they can do it at any pool room easily.

Yep I sure do..Its all about connecting to the shot.
Some systems just don't apply (rite)for all the different shots we encounter at the table.
Barking...cte user's will be at the top...lol

Your so sure that cte is so Great dedicate yourself to it.
Lou surely wont have a chance .

 

[JB Cases]

Yep I sure do..Its all about connecting to the shot.
Some systems just don't apply (rite)for all the different shots we encounter at the table.
Barking...cte user's will be at the top...lol

Your so sure that cte is so Great dedicate yourself to it.
Lou surely wont have a chance .

I already use it every shot. And Lou doesn't have a chance IMO. I use it playing for money on every shot including all banks.

If you have a shot CTE doesn't work for then please post it. I haven't found one yet.

 

[Gerry Williams]

Hey guys - Merry Xmas to you both!

John - I still haven't found a shot without 3 CTE solutions yet, forget about 1

Gerry

I already use it every shot. And Lou doesn't have a chance IMO. I use it playing for money on every shot including all banks.

If you have a shot CTE doesn't work for then please post it. I haven't found one yet.

 

[LAMas]

Yep I sure do..Its all about connecting to the shot.
Some systems just don't apply (rite)for all the different shots we encounter at the table.
Barking...cte user's will be at the top...lol

Your so sure that cte is so Great dedicate yourself to it.
Lou surely wont have a chance .

Is it all about winning over an opponent for the cheese?:thumbup:

 

[8pack]

I already use it every shot. And Lou doesn't have a chance IMO. I use it playing for money on every shot including all banks.

If you have a shot CTE doesn't work for then please post it. I haven't found one yet.

Well its sounds like your ready for Lou.


You can find the answer to any shot using any system.(work at it long enough)
I like what SVB said about aiming,needs to be simple I think.

 

[8pack]

Hey guys - Merry Xmas to you both!

John - I still haven't found a shot without 3 CTE solutions yet, forget about 1

Gerry

Merry Christmas!


Shoot well Gerry.......wait ..you do already.:smile:
May all the rolls go your way this year then.

Anthony

 

[JB Cases]

Well its sounds like your ready for Lou.


You can find the answer to any shot using any system.(work at it long enough)
I like what SVB said about aiming,needs to be simple I think.

I agree. Then again things we do now which we consider to be simple would seem like magic 200 years ago.

What I like about cte is that I find answers to shots on the fly playing $100 one pocket.

 

[Neil]

Hey guys - Merry Xmas to you both!

John - I still haven't found a shot without 3 CTE solutions yet, forget about 1

Gerry

Well, I am NOT going to say that CTE/Pro one does not work for close shots, (2ballwidths and closer to almost frozen together) but I will say that I have better success on those type of shots using 90/90. Probably just my perception problems, but I have great success with them using 90/90, so I just automatically switch over on those type of shots.

 

[8pack]

I agree. Then again things we do now which we consider to be simple would seem like magic 200 years ago.

What I like about cte is that I find answers to shots on the fly playing $100 one pocket.

I use a pivot system for certain type of banks.Very interesting, accurate and...easy!

I need to write a book!

 

[JB Cases]

I use a pivot system for certain type of banks.Very interesting, accurate and...easy!

I need to write a book!

Maybe you should. Instead of being so cryptic about it all the time just tell everyone what you do and maybe some folks will have better success with your methods.

 

[Colin Colenso]

You act like CTE users are all out to get you (or anyone) genuinely interested in the underpinnings of CTE. IMHO it is the the exact opposite... the discussions are encouraged and welcomed. The problem is when purposely provocative/sarcastic vocabulary is used. Every person sees, interprets and responds differently. The very topic of this post contains a spoonful of sarcasm which sets the wrong tone from the get-go if you are trying to be serious. When you throw around terms like magical, snake-oil, etc., you are only setting yourself up for negative retort. And I digress, there are also plenty of CTE users that cannot control themselves and do nothing more than fire back with more of the same defamatory statements. None of it helps matters any.

New years resolution: lets try to be the bigger person and reply with positivity, or none at all!

Agreed Mohrt

 

[Colin Colenso]

We have two tests of skill on AZB where the top ranked participants are CTE users, Colin's potting test and Dr. Dave's Billiard University.

I would go out on a limb and say that no matter what the drill or test is that dedicated CTE users will be at the top.

I'm glad to know people have been using the test I set up several years ago. Not long after that I had to take my table down, relocate and became preoccupied with business and travel. Hence my absence from the forums.

It's not a great test, but it is a useful way for players to track their progress in terms of pure potting.

If there ever were a challenge, it would need to be over several attempts, as in form high level players will only miss 1 or 2 each set. And there are hundreds, if not thousands of people around the world, who have never heard of CTE who can pot at that level.

If some top level snooker players start using it, or a Pro1 player can reach the higher echelons of snooker, that would be really impressive to me. I'm not saying it won't happen, just that such a scenario would prove a lot more than a few forum members going head to head. :smile:

 

[JB Cases]

I'm glad to know people have been using the test I set up several years ago. Not long after that I had to take my table down, relocate and became preoccupied with business and travel. Hence my absence from the forums.

It's not a great test, but it is a useful way for players to track their progress in terms of pure potting.

If there ever were a challenge, it would need to be over several attempts, as in form high level players will only miss 1 or 2 each set. And there are hundreds, if not thousands of people around the world, who have never heard of CTE who can pot at that level.

If some top level snooker players start using it, or a Pro1 player can reach the higher echelons of snooker, that would be really impressive to me. I'm not saying it won't happen, just that such a scenario would prove a lot more than a few forum members going head to head. :smile:

Why does this ALWAYS devolve into - well if aiming system x is so good how come the users of it aren't snooker champions.....???

Can't we all just get past the idea that using any particular method to aim makes one a champion? Aiming is just that - aiming. It's not shooting, it's not standing, it's not stroking, it's not speed control, it's simply sighting the shot and putting your body in position to lay the cue down.

Of course there are thousands of people who can pocket balls at high levels.

Where the forum members are a good indicator is that they can be polled as to their accomplishments and their skill levels. Then using a potting test they could at least indicate where they stand. For example if two players report that they are APA 7s but one scores much higher on the potting test and he is a CTE (or other aiming system) user then perhaps that indicates that he is more accurate. Not necessarily that he can maintain that accuracy under the gun though.

Anyway, why have a test if you're not going to accept the results?

 

[Neil]

We have two tests of skill on AZB where the top ranked participants are CTE users, Colin's potting test and Dr. Dave's Billiard University.

I would go out on a limb and say that no matter what the drill or test is that dedicated CTE users will be at the top.

What I would like to see but have never yet seen is an opponent like Lou Figueroa for example, take any of these tests and show where he stands.

Actually John, there are three. You forgot "The Gauntlet Group" http://forums.azbilliards.com/group.php?groupid=26

I beleive I was using mostly 90/90 at that time, while learning CTE, but at a quick look at it, it looks like I had the highest score on that one. 90/90 and CTE are closely related.

 

[Colin Colenso]

Why does this ALWAYS devolve into - well if aiming system x is so good how come the users of it aren't snooker champions.....???

Can't we all just get past the idea that using any particular method to aim makes one a champion? Aiming is just that - aiming. It's not shooting, it's not standing, it's not stroking, it's not speed control, it's simply sighting the shot and putting your body in position to lay the cue down.

Of course there are thousands of people who can pocket balls at high levels.

Where the forum members are a good indicator is that they can be polled as to their accomplishments and their skill levels. Then using a potting test they could at least indicate where they stand. For example if two players report that they are APA 7s but one scores much higher on the potting test and he is a CTE (or other aiming system) user then perhaps that indicates that he is more accurate. Not necessarily that he can maintain that accuracy under the gun though.

Anyway, why have a test if you're not going to accept the results?

It didn't devolve at all John. I wasn't making any big statements nor being negative about CTE.

The test was not about CTE v others, it was presented as a pure potting (without position) test, so that some might use it to track their potting proficiency.

Yes, it might provide some validation for CTE proficiency in the sense you suggested. But the little I know about who has done the test and their background / previous abilities means that I can't put much weight in that data. And I can't imagine a scientific type of trial being set up among forum members, so no point making a big deal out if.

Someone somewhere sometime may trial various systems against each other. Until then, personal testimonies are probably the best evidence imho.

If the system is as good as it is claimed, then it's only a matter of time till more and more proponents appear at the higher echelons. Be patient. The system has plenty enough curious participants that it will grow.

 

[JB Cases]

It didn't devolve at all John. I wasn't making any big statements nor being negative about CTE.

The test was not about CTE v others, it was presented as a pure potting (without position) test, so that some might use it to track their potting proficiency.

Yes, it might provide some validation for CTE proficiency in the sense you suggested. But the little I know about who has done the test and their background / previous abilities means that I can't put much weight in that data. And I can't imagine a scientific type of trial being set up among forum members, so no point making a big deal out if.

Someone somewhere sometime may trial various systems against each other. Until then, personal testimonies are probably the best evidence imho.

If the system is as good as it is claimed, then it's only a matter of time till more and more proponents appear at the higher echelons. Be patient. The system has plenty enough curious participants that it will grow.

Phil Burford and Stevie Moore stand out as two players at higher levels who are out of the aiming system closet.

Not sure why you are telling me to be patient. I am not sure at all how much you kept up with all this but in the past two years we have plenty of pros being on record as using aiming systems.

Stan Shuffett himself reached top 16 in the US Open 9 Ball if I remember correctly.

 

[JB Cases]

Actually John, there are three. You forgot "The Gauntlet Group" http://forums.azbilliards.com/group.php?groupid=26

I beleive I was using mostly 90/90 at that time, while learning CTE, but at a quick look at it, it looks like I had the highest score on that one. 90/90 and CTE are closely related.

I didn't even know about this. I do consider 90/90 to be a close cousin to CTE and I sometimes slip between them because the 90/90 visual is instantly available.

 

[Colin Colenso]

Phil Burford and Stevie Moore stand out as two players at higher levels who are out of the aiming system closet.

Not sure why you are telling me to be patient. I am not sure at all how much you kept up with all this but in the past two years we have plenty of pros being on record as using aiming systems.

Stan Shuffett himself reached top 16 in the US Open 9 Ball if I remember correctly.

Don't know Phil. I know Stevie was a pretty good pro before adapting the aiming system. The fact that a top player was converted is impressive, as is Stan's achievement. Very impressive.

I've also seen Landon play. One of the best strokes in the game. Only drink and women would stop him from achieving some high finishes in coming years.

 

[rhatten]

If the system is as good as it is claimed, then it's only a matter of time till more and more proponents appear at the higher echelons. Be patient.

This true...

Proper Prospective + Proper bridge length + Pro One Rotation into the shot line ='s about 85% of the system... the rest is Speed and spin considering banks and needed shape.

After a COMPLETE REVIEW of the DVD (maybe 2-3 times) it prolly would take about 30-45 minutes for a sharp minded "A" player to lock it in on all of the different shot types. After the first 15-20 minutes of using the system, getting over the shock of how simple the system really is (once you understand shot perspectives and getting to the shot line w the sweep-btw its very clear on the DVD2) and getting over the initial disbelief is the hardest part...probably should be alone video taping your own expressions. The second 25-35 minutes is accepting the reality of the new tool and drilling the alignment prerequisites into the grey matter. With a little practice (maybe a little hand hold) this DVD can save one years of work and immediately add major confidence to ones ball making skills.... ie more balls to your game. Great Job on this DVD.

It still needs a Warning Label imo :grin:
...F & F
Randy


I think I'll come off of 'stall' this year.

 

[BeiberLvr]

My personal evolution with the system is as follows:

1. Learn how to see the two lines, and where to stand.
2. Learn the sweeps.
3. Learn when to use which sweep (left or right) for the shot at hand.

#3 has been the most difficult, and I'd say the one that requires the most practice with the system. Every single shot I have now, I know what visuals I should be using about 90% of the time, but sometimes I pick the wrong sweep.
I'm confident that anyone could set up a makeable shot for me, and I could make it in 2-3 tries. I'm extremely confident that once I make it the first time, I could then make it 8 out of 10.