Did Shaw play on a 4x8?
Pro Pocket Size TOO Small for 9 Ball
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For his 832 run? No; 9-footer. More info: https://forums.azbilliards.com/threads/john-schmidt-runs-820.585407/page-12#post-8398500
mosconi wasn't setting a record, he just was doing an exhibition and happened to run the most balls at that time period on his first try at it.
cant compare the two so called records. they are entirely different circumstances. both great exhibitions of skill.
neither done on the equipment of the time period the pro tournaments were played on. or at a pro event as most all sports records are made.
they are guinness book of records type of feats.
some time in the future someone will break a high run record on a tournament table at a tournament.
cant compare the two so called records. they are entirely different circumstances. both great exhibitions of skill.
neither done on the equipment of the time period the pro tournaments were played on. or at a pro event as most all sports records are made.
they are guinness book of records type of feats.
some time in the future someone will break a high run record on a tournament table at a tournament.
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Then it would become allot more difficult because of congestion.
i think the sentiment is fair, straight pool is best played on big pockets with shallow shelf. i like playing it on stock GC's in my nearest room. but for pro-am 9b tournaments those tables are very soft. and they're not great for one pocket. the optimal pool room has some variety in the table fauna. jmho.
the old gold crowns and anniversary tables were great for one pocket, as that was the table that made it grow into the premier gambling game.
if those tables are too soft/easy for pro tournaments then other than the top few would also be winning. but rarely is it happening. as the tighter the pockets the top pros shut out all the lesser ones from the money.
if those tables are too soft/easy for pro tournaments then other than the top few would also be winning. but rarely is it happening. as the tighter the pockets the top pros shut out all the lesser ones from the money.
I don't want 5" pockets either 4 & 1/4" for Pro's and 4&1/2" for amateur tournaments for games like 8 ball, 9 ball, 10 ball , for games like 1 pocket, 14.1, and specialized games that aren't TV friendly anyways make them smaller if you want, if the sport is to grow people who are just learning the game must feel like they have a chance at the game, missing 20 shots in a row is not going to help with that, bowling is still thriving because they start kids out with bumpers in the gutters, no gutter balls, I believe we need both, some kids will play for fun with friends but some will strive to play like the guys playing the "Pro" tables and want to play those tables as well, I believe that's how we grow the sport.
Meanwhile, on the pga tour today they set up a “par 4” that the final groups were hitting pin high with 3 woods that have a sweet spot the size of what used to be the entire clubface in the early Tiger era.
Golf has gone too far in one direction and pool has gone too far in the other. Golf has dumbed down the game for pros while creating no benefit for amateurs (average handicaps are stable over decades) while pool has made it more boring to watch at the pro level and harder to play at the amateur level. In the Diamond world amateurs are essentially forced to play on barboxes if they want to make any balls.
Runouts are fun. Watching pros duck shots because they are too hard is not fun.
Golf has gone too far in one direction and pool has gone too far in the other. Golf has dumbed down the game for pros while creating no benefit for amateurs (average handicaps are stable over decades) while pool has made it more boring to watch at the pro level and harder to play at the amateur level. In the Diamond world amateurs are essentially forced to play on barboxes if they want to make any balls.
Runouts are fun. Watching pros duck shots because they are too hard is not fun.
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From what I have seen over a lot of years is that the people who are always advocating for rule changes and equipment changes are the players who can't hang with the top players.
Also, allot of em are protecting their wallet, especially those w/o sponsorship, which is the majority.
I get that. Still, it's mass pool not litigation. People wanna see pool work not the odor of shrewd.
Do you think every at bat in baseball should result in a home run?
Baseball has done a great job tweaking equipment and rules to maintain the scale of the game. Unlike golf, they don’t let bat and ball manufacturers run the show.
Cicerone88
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It’s the slippery new cloth that makes the 4.5” pockets look like buckets. Guys are practically able to slide a ball in a half diamond from the pocket. Once it’s worn in it’s plenty tough and still keeps the game true. You get closer to 4” and now you’re taking away shots and angles and the ability to cheat the pocket.
7' Diamonds have a shorter shelf than 9' Diamonds. It makes them significantly easier for the same pocket size on both.
yes. but many dont realize that cheating the pocket for position is a big part of the game. and eliminating that is ruining that part of the game.
far too may players are just 9 ball shooters and have the mindset of just pocketing the ball and getting as close as you can to natural available position.
rather than being able to create the position needed.
and rightly so, are lost and helpless when getting on a slow cloth table with 4 or 4/1/4 sized pockets.
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I’ll check the Diamond tables at Sierra Billiards. I don’t see any need or purpose for a difference in shelf size. I play on 9’ Diamond tables 90 % of the time, probably 95%. 7’ tables, even Diamond, just don’t have any real appeal but if the pockets were smaller, like 4”, I’d likely change my opinion. 4.5” CP seem a little too big for a 7’ Diamond table. I play on 9’ tables with 4.25” CP so any larger pocket size just seems a bit generous to my eye but obviously it really isn’t. IMO, the harder the table plays, the more I enjoy it despite feeling frustrated at times. It motivates me to play better and other tables become easier. However, in 14.1, I think the pocket size should be 4.5” for comparison purposes but I still prefer smaller pockets for 8, 9 and 10 ball. It helps to separate the wheat from the chaff in terms of player skill levels.
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