problem in ( Draw Shot )

[av84fun]

:shakehead:

I tryed to do it many many many times but it doesn't work

The Question is :
( Is it possible to be the problem in THE CLOTH or not ? )

Right...it is not the cloth. As another poster suggested, use a striped ball as a CB with the stripe placed horizontally.

On standard "wide stripe" balls the bottom of the stripe is the lower limit of tip contact without miscueing.

Chalk the tip heavily to insure that it will leave a mark and shoot a draw shot. Then look at the striped "cue ball" and see where there mark is.

I guarantee you that it will be above the bottom of the stripe...probably by quite a bit. That is a function of any number of stroke mechanics errors.

As has been pointed out, one such error is to grip down on the butt which is called "grabbing" or "snatching".

Try this. Shoot hard draw strokes but don't pay attention to ANYTHING other than your grip hand pressure. Don't even aim at a pocket...shoot a full table bank shot.

Forget about whether you make the shot or not. Just start out with a VERY light grip pressure...like you were holding a bird in your hand (and are not intending to kill it!) (-:

Maintain that grip pressure ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE STROKE and the follow through. You should try for ZERO change in grip pressure throughout the stroke.

Do that until you get that feeling and then set up an easy draw shot. Stroke it so you are aiming the center of the tip and the bottom of the stripe. Because the tip and ball are curved, a point above the center of the tip will contact the ball so you make contact in the "no miscue zone."

Start with soft shots. Not much more than "lag speed" will get you at least a diamond of draw if the cb/ob are a diamond apart.

Once you get the one diamond draw distance nailed, increase the speed of the stroke progressively.

Finally, try this just as an experiment. On the final stroke, DO NOT look at the OB as you normally would. Instead focus ONLY on the CB...at the spot you want to make tip contact...i.e. the bottom of the stripe.

That will increase the odds that you will actually strike the ob where you want to. In fact, you may miscue/jump the cb if you hit slightly below your target.

The point is to actually hit as low as possible to get the feel of doing so. I am convinced that there is an unconscious tendency to "shy away" from maximum low contact for fear of an embarrassing miscue/jump.

There is no way the cloth is at fault. Players with good draw strokes can pull it back on their CARPET!

Regards,
Jim

 

[dr_dave]

draw shot advice

FYI, there is lots of good draw shot advice here:

http://billiards.colostate.edu/threads/draw.html#advice​

Regards,
Dave

HEY everybody


i wrote a thread before , it's about a problem in DRAW SHOT .
i couldn't do it since that time and i want to be sure that the problem is in THE CLOTH to change it ?????????
it's an easy shot it's not necessary to be a pro to apply it , just hit the ball low but the cue ball doesn't back very well !!!!!!!!!!

so this is a clip when i did the draw shot ::
http://www.zshare.net/download/16760503c788befc/

i hit the cue ball very HARD and it didn't come back as it should be ???

please What i've to do ? where is the problem ?

 

[skor]

Scott
i tryed to de every thing but i couldn't do it ?
so i think the problem is in the cloth ??

SEE this video :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fX6l9-gv3k0

I did exactly like what he did with his hand BUT the cue ball roll then stop it didn't back ???
i think that means the problem is in the cloth ........

Apparently you did NOT do it exactly as the video shows... otherwise you'll be able to get a good draw.

Although a good player can draw the ball with a flat 14mm tip, I find that most amateurs can draw the CB much better with a small diameter tip which is nicely rounded.
If you can get a hold of a Z shaft or a snooker cue, then practice with it for a while until you'll develop a better stroke. BUT by no means a cue should be used as a substitute for a good smooth and straight stroke!!!

 

[shinigami]

Everybody's giving some good advice. Don't get discouraged TOTTI!

Most people develop their good strokes over time. One thing that definitely helped me with my stroke is practicing with heavier balls. 3-cushion balls are heavier and requires a better stroke, same with the Asian 4-ball game. Now those balls are huge!

 

[trendkill]

Totti, try a couple things for me as I see this a lot with my students. First, use a closed bridge as it will allow you to control your cue and the cb much better. Second, don't mistaken power for stroke. Just because you hit the ball hard doesn't mean you're stroking it. I hope that makes sense. You would like to see the cue as level to the table as possible, elevation can only cause you headache.

Also, your bridge length from fingertips to cb, I like to see around 5 or 6 inches. It's not too short, but not too long. When you stroke through the cb, make sure you don't have a "see saw" motion in your stroke. That will cause you to come closer to center ball at the point of contact.

Your forearm should be 90 degrees AT point of contact with the cb for a more natural snap zone. Meaning, your wrist will snap at point of contact inducing maximum back spin.

Hope this helps.
Mike

 

[trendkill]

And another thing, no the problem is not the felt. It does look like very slow felt...but if you can build up a good stroke on that stuff, you'll be a monster on simonis.

 

[Bob Jewett]

... i hit the cue ball very HARD and it didn't come back as it should be ???

please What i've to do ? where is the problem ?

It's clear that you are trying very hard to get this right but you are making no progress on your own. Find a good player (preferably a coach or instructor) who can watch you in person and make suggestions.

But your major problem is probably that you are not hitting the cue ball low enough. Another problem may be that you are not chalking properly. Few beginners know how to chalk. If your tip is well chalked, and you hit the cue ball firmly and well below center, it will draw back. It is not the fault of the cloth.

 

[Fatboy]

:shakehead:

I tryed to do it many many many times but it doesn't work

The Question is :
( Is it possible to be the problem in THE CLOTH or not ? )

it aint the cloth, some faster cloth's will cause the ball to roll farther making it seem like you are drawing the ball farther, but you not spinning the CB and its not drawing back, I'm far from being a great player but I can draw the ball on any cloth it diosent matter.

you also have some of the smartest people here trying to help you, take advantage of it, best of luck, it will come with practice and patience.

 

[Neil]

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[berlowmj]

As always, the expertise & generousity of A-Zers comes through.

 

[smoooothstroke]

smoooooothstroke

This is what works for me and is the advice I have given to people.Start with the cb about 15-18 inches from the object ball.With a level cue are nearly so try a smooth follow through.Do not hit the ball hard.Picture your cue following through the cb and all the way through the object ball as well!

If this works for you practice getting maximum backspin with the softest stroke possible.This should give you a feel for a pure stroke that excelerates smoothly.Once you learn to get draw from a soft shot watch out because on a hard stroke you will be shocked how much draw you can get.

 

[pooltchr]

But your major problem is probably that you are not hitting the cue ball low enough. .

I think Bob had hit the nail on the head. Something many players don't consider...if you are lined up for perfect horizontal center ball, then drop your tip down about 4mm, the contact point on the cb does not change that much. This is because as you aim lower on the cue ball, it is no longer the center of the tip that will make contact, but rather the upper edge of the tip. So it's not hard to think you are aiming one tip below center and end up nearly at center ball.

Steve

 

[dr_dave]

"tips" of English

I think Bob had hit the nail on the head. Something many players don't consider...if you are lined up for perfect horizontal center ball, then drop your tip down about 4mm, the contact point on the cb does not change that much. This is because as you aim lower on the cue ball, it is no longer the center of the tip that will make contact, but rather the upper edge of the tip. So it's not hard to think you are aiming one tip below center and end up nearly at center ball.

If people want to see illustrations of this and other stuff related to "tips of English" and tip contact point, I have several good diagrams in my July '06 article.

Regards,
Dave

 

[BigDogatLarge]

Try new cloth and then...

:shakehead:

I tryed to do it many many many times but it doesn't work

The Question is :
( Is it possible to be the problem in THE CLOTH or not ? )

Totti,

Go ahead and get new cloth and when you still aren't able to draw as well as you would like, then you will see what many learned people have been telling you about draw. I can't believe the amount of knowledge at your fingertips. Look at the posts these fine folks have done in the past and what their credentials are concerning pool. Then you will begin to realize what a vast pool (no pun intended) of knowledge you have been given. IMO

Dwight

 

[TOTTI]

I DON"T KNOW HOW CAN I THANK YOU
I'll keep your advices in my mind and i'll try again and again .

the problem is that there's no instructor in my town to learn me so i've to learn myself bymyself ...............
and i'll try to find another table to apply draw show on it , if i did it perfectly i'll know that the problem is in my table's CLOTH ..,,..,,..,,..

 

[pooltchr]

I DON"T KNOW HOW CAN I THANK YOU
I'll keep your advices in my mind and i'll try again and again .

the problem is that there's no instructor in my town to learn me so i've to learn myself bymyself ...............
and i'll try to find another table to apply draw show on it , if i did it perfectly i'll know that the problem is in my table's CLOTH ..,,..,,..,,..

Here's an easier way. Watch and see if someone else in the room can get draw on that table. Then you will know it's you and not the cloth.

Steve

 

[thomba02]

snap your wrist as you hit the cue ball and follow through...you need more stroke than power in draw shots

 

[trendkill]

I DON"T KNOW HOW CAN I THANK YOU
I'll keep your advices in my mind and i'll try again and again .

the problem is that there's no instructor in my town to learn me so i've to learn myself bymyself ...............
and i'll try to find another table to apply draw show on it , if i did it perfectly i'll know that the problem is in my table's CLOTH ..,,..,,..,,..

I'm not sure why you're so persistent on it being the cloth. I can guarantee you it's not. If you do what we all have told you to do, and do it correctly, and you still can't draw your rock...I'll personally buy you some new cloth. I would personally say you need some stroke work before you start worrying about drawing the ball though.

I've read everybody's advice...there's something to get out of all of it. Just keep in mind when you're at the table, it takes practice and dedication to get anywhere in this game.

 

[Hail Mary Shot]

I DON"T KNOW HOW CAN I THANK YOU
I'll keep your advices in my mind and i'll try again and again .

the problem is that there's no instructor in my town to learn me so i've to learn myself bymyself ...............
and i'll try to find another table to apply draw show on it , if i did it perfectly i'll know that the problem is in my table's CLOTH ..,,..,,..,,..

hello again Totti. sorry for the delay reply since I had just arrived. anyway, I used a VLC video player. it is capable of capturing video sequences and decrease the play rate of the video to as much as .13 of a sec. so that would be an ample time for you to capture shots. I would no longer post the video clip since Skor beat me to it. just look at illustration 2. it shows you where you hit the CB on the final stroke (not where you intended the CB to be hit).

and again for the last time, and all of the posters comments here(including myself), it is not the fault of the cloth and don't fault it. it's your stroke where you need to improve. here is why it is not the fault of the cloth. the CB didn't have much backspin to begin with (after contact). it didn't drastically slowed down but merely slowly moved due to how and where you hit it. if you stroked and hit the CB right, you would see the CB's spin to how much. example, if you play pingpong and delivered a correct topspin into the net, the ball won't stop spinning even after the ball hit the net.

btw, you can achieve the same draw distance (as shown in you video) by only using a medium stroke. all you need is to hit the CB low enough. try putting 2 balls in the middle, 12 inches apart (adjacent to the side pockets). then try pocketing the OB using a draw. don't hit it hard, just medium. and see the results.

please inform us of your progress. btw, don't rush on learning things as it would come to you with normal and correct practice. and dont forget to chalk you cue tip constantly and correctly. :wink:

 

[TOTTI]

I used a VLC video player

thanks i didn't know about this ....

i'll not change the cloth now and i'll try and try and try to do it .
and sure i'll tell you the progress soooooooooooooooooooon ...


THANK YOU ALL
BYE