Problem with gambling

Most of the time I agree with you...but not this time. If you watch who you play and are honest with yourself as far as your speed money can be made. Money management is almost as important as how you match up. Never go all in no matter if you think you have the nuts as big as coconuts. Each time you win invest in something. With me it was buying cars, boats, and bikes. Fix and flip. Later on in life I took my winnings and bought a racing Greyhound pup. I did this for about 10 years ending with over 150 dogs that I sold for a huge profit. I started making money from the 2nd pup I bought. You can't keep playing for more than 20% of your roll or you will get bit sooner than later. A lot of people call me a nit...and I'm fine with that. I got the cash. Johnnyt

Yep. I've always thought that pool players (not all) were pretty terrible at managing a roll.
 
Heads-UP!

After 50 plus years of hanging around pool rooms, card rooms, any place you could gamble, knowing big gamblers and little gamblers , smart people and suckers , Cheaters and experts
There are not many winners.
I have only seen a couple of people out of the thousands and thousands of gamblers I have met whos life style did not affect their children or family or parents in a negative way.
The worst examples were surprisingly not the losers , it was the guys who were "slick" and made money at it.
No matter how hard some of them tried , most didn't try at all , but a few did , to keep their business from their kids , eventually, the kids tried to be like dad.
Most ended up trying to fill shoes that were way bigger in their minds{and in the dads minds} than in reality and when they failed , they went to drugs, alcohol , suicide or prison, to escape.
The best gambler I ever met had three children and a wife, 2 went to prison all 4 became dope addicts and the 3 kids all died very young from drugs.
He was always very anti drugs and alcohol. {Go figure}
I used to gamble and one day I realised I didn't like the guy I was when I gambled , I started looking for that change in other people and guess what , everyone I have watched changes when they gamble, with some people it is almost imperceptable , until they get stuck real bad or get in a bad game.
It's there though if you look and listen .
Gambling is a vice and every vice has to be paid for in my mind.
If you don't pay for it , someone you know will.
One poster said he was the type gambler most people would call a nit,
He is the majority of gamblers everywhere, they hear about someone turning a toothpick into a lumberyard and chase that dream all their lives.
{ I did it too}
I chased a guy they called stutterman for almost 2 years until one day my wife said I was like a prostitute to him and the idea of winning his money, I almost got sick that she would feel that way about me.
Once I thought about it , she was right, that's exactly how I was acting.
To me , the worst that could happen is that you actually do score big.
I have seen about a dozen people in 50 years make big scores and all but 1 I know for sure ended up real bad.
I think all the one lost was his family. {to some people that is a small price to pay }.
We all have one finite resource we are born with, our time.
Everything in this world takes up your time.
We are all free to spend it however we choose for the most part.
I wish I could get back all the time I spent on barstools and in poolrooms and card rooms, I can't , so I can only hope someone younger who reads this understands what I am trying to say .
Enjoy life , there is nothing wrong with playing pool or cards or having a beer, just don't give your whole life to it like so many of us have.
When you toss the gambling illusion in there , it's just another reason to not be able to walk away.

Excellent post.

Budding gambling enthusiasts..... HEADS-UP!
 
I don't have much to do with my mother anymore because of her gambling, she tried to get me into it 35 years ago and I did for a while before I figured it out. It's an addiction that will destroy families in the long run.
 
There is no such thing as winning more than losing. It is an illusion created by the gambler to justify his need to gamble. The best he could ever hope for is to eventually draw even and that would be so rare as to be non relevant. The history of the cue sports bears this out.

This would be true for the majority, but I personally know of two hustlers who made a lot of cash, bought nice homes and still have money and never did anything but gamble. Well, steal would be more like it. Junior Sweatmon was one of the best rough hustlers to ever play the game, along with many flimflams, and made hundreds of thousand in Chicago in the 60's and 70's along with Detroit and Flint. He could also play some, he beat Ronnie Allen and many other top players on a barbox. Most of the time he could get champions to give him spots like the 7 and the break, where they had no chance, but most never did know his true speed.. I once watched him win over 30,000 in Tupelo.Ms at a big tournament in the 70's, with many top players and he took the cash down getting weight they couldn't outrun. He is close to 80 and still beats many of the locals when the opportunity comes up. Let me also add, he would do anything to get the money and drew no line.
 
Joey, just so you are aware, I am fully in support of a new bill being brought up before the house !..This new bill makes it a FEDERAL OFFENSE to participate in any game of pool or golf, WITHOUT having a sizable wager involved !...How ya like them apples ? :p

SJD

PS..If it passes, all the 'no-gamble nit's' will be doing hard time, instead of just taking up space and wasting oxygen !...
...I love it ! :cool:


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Dude! Put that bottle of Yukon Jack down. Never mind, I know you're not going to give up YJ so just take another swig and provide your best advice on how to win more than you lose.

JoeyA
 
well there is gambling and playing for money...i kinda like the latter, you have to know the player your playing in pool,i tend to watch a lot before i jump up to play someone,i dont like to give or receive a spot so i find playing guys that play my speed a lot more fun. I wont play guys that arent gentleman, if they throw their cues and and argue i break down and quit, and never play them again. I like to play for something just to make things interesting and play for several hours, i hate guys that play one or 2 sets and want to quit,its like wth did i even break out my cue for,$20 sets nobody gets hurt but if you play a while a guy can win a hundo to pay for next weeks lunch and its good practice to keep focussed. I lost more money playing cards in a matter of months then i have playing pool in 25 years,so thats a no brainer, any game of chance is a bad choice for gambling.
 
We all have one finite resource we are born with, our time.
Everything in this world takes up your time.
We are all free to spend it however we choose for the most part.
I wish I could get back all the time I spent on barstools and in poolrooms and card rooms, I can't , so I can only hope someone younger who reads this understands what I am trying to say .
Enjoy life , there is nothing wrong with playing pool or cards or having a beer, just don't give your whole life to it like so many of us have.
When you toss the gambling illusion in there , it's just another reason to not be able to walk away.

Very well said. :thumbup: If only we can earn time like we earn money
 
Dude! Put that bottle of Yukon Jack down. Never mind, I know you're not going to give up YJ so just take another swig and provide your best advice on how to win more than you lose.

JoeyA

I already gave you my best advice Joey.."One guy got Yukon Jack, the other guy got none, is the same as cheating" ! :p

PS..Thought I told you, I quit drinkin' 3 yrs. ago, so I had to quit gambling' too !
:wink:
 
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I'll never gamble for anything big unless I'm 80%+ to win, even then, anything can happen. I feel comfortable gambling small, because I can afford to lose it and I enjoy the smaller fun games.

If I bet Scott Frost $50k and we played 30-1 in one hole, even if I won, it doesn't show the better player. I think Shane's way of thinking, Race to 100 in a given game. That will bring out the best.
 
There is no such thing as winning more than losing. It is an illusion created by the gambler to justify his need to gamble. The best he could ever hope for is to eventually draw even and that would be so rare as to be non relevant. The history of the cue sports bears this out.

Reminds me of that old joke:

How you do in Vegas?

I broke even...and boy did I need it!!!


Someone mentioned Blackjack as unwinnable...it isn't if the table rules are favorable enough. fwiw. Most casinos have ruined the game by making it unbeatable, though, so haven't played seriously for 15 years of so. My bets were small, but my spreads were large enough to make the card counting worthwhile. (It ain't gambling when the odds are in your favor)

I've played and documented 200 hours of BJ play in casinos and am ~$1,000 to the good. That's an average of $5 an hour....not bad for having fun fun fun. I don't know of ANY GAMBLERS who can match those figures (unless they do the normal and conveniently forget to count their losses, too:rolleyes:).

Jeff Livingston
 
I'm ahead! I've kept records on my match ups and I'm happy to report I've made some $$$ playing! I'm not talking millions but on the other hand I'm not talking a couple thousand either! My secret, like all the other experienced people here, play only what you can afford! NO MORE!!! also, playing and learning not to make the mistakes is key!

Now, I know of one!

Yea!


Jeff Livingston
 
After 50 plus years of hanging around pool rooms, card rooms, any place you could gamble, knowing big gamblers and little gamblers , smart people and suckers , Cheaters and experts
There are not many winners.
I have only seen a couple of people out of the thousands and thousands of gamblers I have met whos life style did not affect their children or family or parents in a negative way.
The worst examples were surprisingly not the losers , it was the guys who were "slick" and made money at it.
No matter how hard some of them tried , most didn't try at all , but a few did , to keep their business from their kids , eventually, the kids tried to be like dad.
Most ended up trying to fill shoes that were way bigger in their minds{and in the dads minds} than in reality and when they failed , they went to drugs, alcohol , suicide or prison, to escape.
The best gambler I ever met had three children and a wife, 2 went to prison all 4 became dope addicts and the 3 kids all died very young from drugs.
He was always very anti drugs and alcohol. {Go figure}
I used to gamble and one day I realised I didn't like the guy I was when I gambled , I started looking for that change in other people and guess what , everyone I have watched changes when they gamble, with some people it is almost imperceptable , until they get stuck real bad or get in a bad game.
It's there though if you look and listen .
Gambling is a vice and every vice has to be paid for in my mind.
If you don't pay for it , someone you know will.
One poster said he was the type gambler most people would call a nit,
He is the majority of gamblers everywhere, they hear about someone turning a toothpick into a lumberyard and chase that dream all their lives.
{ I did it too}
I chased a guy they called stutterman for almost 2 years until one day my wife said I was like a prostitute to him and the idea of winning his money, I almost got sick that she would feel that way about me.
Once I thought about it , she was right, that's exactly how I was acting.
To me , the worst that could happen is that you actually do score big.
I have seen about a dozen people in 50 years make big scores and all but 1 I know for sure ended up real bad.
I think all the one lost was his family. {to some people that is a small price to pay }.
We all have one finite resource we are born with, our time.
Everything in this world takes up your time.
We are all free to spend it however we choose for the most part.
I wish I could get back all the time I spent on barstools and in poolrooms and card rooms, I can't , so I can only hope someone younger who reads this understands what I am trying to say .
Enjoy life , there is nothing wrong with playing pool or cards or having a beer, just don't give your whole life to it like so many of us have.
When you toss the gambling illusion in there , it's just another reason to not be able to walk away.

Excellent assessment of gambling, especially the part about the winners of the money being the biggest losers in life. There is a specific reason for that happening most times:

To be a successful winner at gambling requires one to hang with losers. (need I elaborate on the inevitable results coming from that paradigm?)


Jeff Livingston
 
Keep the faith.

I already gave you my best advice Joey.."One guy got Yukon Jack, the other guy got none, is the same as cheating" ! :p

PS..Thought I told you, I quit drinkin' 3 yrs. ago, so I had to quit gambling' too !
:wink:

Oh shit! Things are really going downhill for you. I didn't know you had quit drinking. I'm still pulling for you brother.

JoeyA
 
I play pool for a hobby. I've had a lot of different interests. Pool is my favorite. I had really bad eyesight till I had my cataracts removed. The new lenses they put in my eyes allow me to see much better, but not perfect. My pool playing has improved since I retired and can see better. Now other players don't ask me to gamble hardly at all. Is there a message there about people that like to gamble? I think there is.
 
After 50 plus years of hanging around pool rooms, card rooms, any place you could gamble, knowing big gamblers and little gamblers , smart people and suckers , Cheaters and experts
There are not many winners.
I have only seen a couple of people out of the thousands and thousands of gamblers I have met whos life style did not affect their children or family or parents in a negative way.
The worst examples were surprisingly not the losers , it was the guys who were "slick" and made money at it.
No matter how hard some of them tried , most didn't try at all , but a few did , to keep their business from their kids , eventually, the kids tried to be like dad.
Most ended up trying to fill shoes that were way bigger in their minds{and in the dads minds} than in reality and when they failed , they went to drugs, alcohol , suicide or prison, to escape.
The best gambler I ever met had three children and a wife, 2 went to prison all 4 became dope addicts and the 3 kids all died very young from drugs.
He was always very anti drugs and alcohol. {Go figure}
I used to gamble and one day I realised I didn't like the guy I was when I gambled , I started looking for that change in other people and guess what , everyone I have watched changes when they gamble, with some people it is almost imperceptable , until they get stuck real bad or get in a bad game.
It's there though if you look and listen .
Gambling is a vice and every vice has to be paid for in my mind.
If you don't pay for it , someone you know will.
One poster said he was the type gambler most people would call a nit,
He is the majority of gamblers everywhere, they hear about someone turning a toothpick into a lumberyard and chase that dream all their lives.
{ I did it too}
I chased a guy they called stutterman for almost 2 years until one day my wife said I was like a prostitute to him and the idea of winning his money, I almost got sick that she would feel that way about me.
Once I thought about it , she was right, that's exactly how I was acting.
To me , the worst that could happen is that you actually do score big.
I have seen about a dozen people in 50 years make big scores and all but 1 I know for sure ended up real bad.
I think all the one lost was his family. {to some people that is a small price to pay }.
We all have one finite resource we are born with, our time.
Everything in this world takes up your time.
We are all free to spend it however we choose for the most part.
I wish I could get back all the time I spent on barstools and in poolrooms and card rooms, I can't , so I can only hope someone younger who reads this understands what I am trying to say .
Enjoy life , there is nothing wrong with playing pool or cards or having a beer, just don't give your whole life to it like so many of us have.
When you toss the gambling illusion in there , it's just another reason to not be able to walk away.

Tap tap tap! :)
 
Nice Thread JoeyA !

good post Joey A.
Posts like these should warn those who may "consider" gambling for what it really is!

Without going into a long editorial here, GAMBLING is a Vice!

Before going further, people need to know there is a difference between gambling and hustling.

"Gambling" is an unknown outcome based on a certain set of "odds" or probabilities.
"hustling" is an unknown outcome with the odds looking even,BUT the probabilities are in the favor of the hustler. BTW Casinos fit into this category.

That said: I normally don't gamble. I play money games only because it makes the play official. There are 2 outcomes: I may win,.... I may lose.

When I was a kid; I use to "hustle" cheap games in bars. Hey, It was a sure way to make money. Most of my "victims" were guys from the bar that were 1/2 drunk and thought they could beat "a kid" having fun at the table. The best was when hustlers wanted to "hustle" me !! Then it became "gambling" :grin:

I am not even going to go into people and emotions/reasons for "gambling" there are too many reasons to list. People are people, and sometimes it isn't pretty. (One should read a few of CJ Wiley's road stories: They are classic!!!) :eek:
 
good post Joey A.
Posts like these should warn those who may "consider" gambling for what it really is!

Without going into a long editorial here, GAMBLING is a Vice!

Before going further, people need to know there is a difference between gambling and hustling.

"Gambling" is an unknown outcome based on a certain set of "odds" or probabilities.
"hustling" is an unknown outcome with the odds looking even,BUT the probabilities are in the favor of the hustler. BTW Casinos fit into this category.

That said: I normally don't gamble. I play money games only because it makes the play official. There are 2 outcomes: I may win,.... I may lose.

When I was a kid; I use to "hustle" cheap games in bars. Hey, It was a sure way to make money. Most of my "victims" were guys from the bar that were 1/2 drunk and thought they could beat "a kid" having fun at the table. The best was when hustlers wanted to "hustle" me !! Then it became "gambling" :grin:

I am not even going to go into people and emotions/reasons for "gambling" there are too many reasons to list. People are people, and sometimes it isn't pretty. (One should read a few of CJ Wiley's road stories: They are classic!!!) :eek:

I'm not so concerned with whether gambling at pool is a vice or not.

I'm more concerned with people thinking they can actually make a living gambling at pool and giving up all of the other things life has to offer.

People should know the financial aspects of gambling at pool and be ready to suffer or embrace the consequences/results.

JoeyA
 
I need to remember to change myself to staying logged in..

"So my thinking is filthy language has no place on public forums like this one, where we do not know the audience and what they are used to being around.

Personally I don't have a major problem with filthy language if it used only occasionally and in private; but I do on public forums and other public platforms."


Ay carumba.

Should've bet on that one. :thumbup:
 
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The ones that get me is all of the poker players....

The nitwit that played Scott Frost, Dippy Dave. Now I don't know him at all, I have watched him on Youtube. But it seems there are a lot of guys making money playing poker. He might be bright, but he seems almost retarded. How can a guy like that make money playing poker?

I used to watch it on TV, and everyone said how much skill it took. At the end they would say "its a coin flip" How much skill is a coin flip?

In one of Grady's book, he said statistically crap tables in casinos do things that defy logic.

Interesting.

Ken
 
In one of Grady's book, he said statistically crap tables in casinos do things that defy logic.

Interesting.

Ken

I've always liked Grady but sometimes I think he never quit understood probability when it came to casino games. Craps is a negative expectation game. In other words, your not going to win in the long run. I've personally witnessed a craps player over a period of 2 years destroy the casino that I worked at playing the don't. He was very savvy and would never lose more than 2 bets on a single shooter. Strong bankroll management and didn't chase loses. But, he was still at a disadvantage. Everyone thought he had this system. If he wasn't cheating, the odds would eventually catch up to him.

A new casino opened down the road and offered 20X odds. It didn't take him a month to lose the 200 grand he was up on our casino. I've seen some incredible rolls that "defy" logic but eventually if you play long enough the house advantage will get you.
 
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