Problem with the Game I love-Pool

Rak9up

Rak9up

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In many, many other sports and other games you get to see how everyone performs.
Like in darts both players throw 3 darts alternating turns and one person may win by 1 dart but you see if both are masters.

Or golf everyone plays all holes but best score wins and you see how everyone performs

Bowling both players...... etc.

But I watched many a tournament where its a race to 7 one player calls heads losses and never touches the table.

or straight pool where one players runs 125 and you never see the other player shoot

I personally like the idea of that bowling billiard game...where you break 10 balls and run... if you run all 10 its a strike. If you run 6 miss then run the other 4 you get a spare and so on... you keep score like bowling
ALTERNATING TURNS till the game is over.

When the game is over you get to see how BOTH players shot and their scores
Not one billiard master and his opponent the chair warmer
I'd rather see 2 billiard masters perform

And another plus to this game is you can play the best overall score wins which means you play 3 games of 10 frames each and your done get an average and post it against the ENTIRE FIELD....NO BAD DRAWS..OR EASY DRAWS...no playing 2 and out while someone else plays ALL DAY...every body plays the same amount and the BEST PLAYER WINS PERIOD

Also for Amateur bowling billiard tourney's balls could be pocketed in any order (much easier)

For the Pros it can be played like 10 ball in numerical order (much harder)

Who knows might even be a better format for television and bring some life and money to our sport
 
Isn't this why many tourneys have alternating breaks, so both players can get to the table?

As for TV, tough to say what would work. The general audience isn't pool savvy enough to embrace and enjoy all of the nuance of pocket billiards. Probably, this is why they show more trick shot and speed pool matches instead of 8, 9, or ten ball matches. It's about fast gratification and getting wowwed. I think we can all pretty much give up on 1p or straight pool being aired on TV.

As for the billiard/bowling game, which personally I might like, it may be too complicated a format, once again, for the general audience to embrace. Not that it's specifically complex, just that an audience might not be interested to project bowling onto a pool table.

Best,
Brian kc
 
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I'm curious about what some people think about 6 pocket.

http://6pocket.com/

I just stumbled across it the other day and it seems to be more like golf or bowling. Players attempt to achieve their best score on a rack and then the opponent starts with a new rack and attempts to do the same.

The game seems to address those very concerns about players getting an equal chance. Not just who got to break first in the race.

I haven't tried playing it yet but I kinda like the rules. Your strategy needs to change to purely offensive shots, defense it totally useless in this game since players never shoot what the other player leaves. It looks like it is perfectly geared for TV too. I think that is a good thing.

As with any pool game, some people will like it and some will hate it I suppose. I can also probably safely assume there is already at thread around here somewhere where both sides have already expressed their views on the game in a "friendly" manner.:wink: I'm just too lazy to go searching for it.
 
No one is consistently going to be dropping 7 packs of 10 ball on their opponent. Guys like SVB, Alex, Bustamante, etc might do it every now and then, but no where near enough for it to be a "problem". Same thing for 9 ball.

10 ball race to at least 10, I guarantee the vast vast majority of the time you will get to see both players at the table.

Basically, I'm in favor of longer races over alternate break.
 
Rak9up said:
In many, many other sports and other games you get to see how everyone performs.
Like in darts both players throw 3 darts alternating turns and one person may win by 1 dart but you see if both are masters.

Or golf everyone plays all holes but best score wins and you see how everyone performs

Bowling both players...... etc.

But I watched many a tournament where its a race to 7 one player calls heads losses and never touches the table.

or straight pool where one players runs 125 and you never see the other player shoot

I personally like the idea of that bowling billiard game...where you break 10 balls and run... if you run all 10 its a strike. If you run 6 miss then run the other 4 you get a spare and so on... you keep score like bowling
ALTERNATING TURNS till the game is over.

When the game is over you get to see how BOTH players shot and their scores
Not one billiard master and his opponent the chair warmer
I'd rather see 2 billiard masters perform

And another plus to this game is you can play the best overall score wins which means you play 3 games of 10 frames each and your done get an average and post it against the ENTIRE FIELD....NO BAD DRAWS..OR EASY DRAWS...no playing 2 and out while someone else plays ALL DAY...every body plays the same amount and the BEST PLAYER WINS PERIOD

Also for Amateur bowling billiard tourney's balls could be pocketed in any order (much easier)

For the Pros it can be played like 10 ball in numerical order (much harder)

Who knows might even be a better format for television and bring some life and money to our sport
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While I know where you're coming from and think tournaments like Bowling Billiards, the Ghost, 6-pocket, and others could be fun, they are only offense games and don't really show your whole game. Johnnyt
 
Rak9up said:
In many, many other sports and other games you get to see how everyone performs.
Like in darts both players throw 3 darts alternating turns and one person may win by 1 dart but you see if both are masters.

Or golf everyone plays all holes but best score wins and you see how everyone performs

Bowling both players...... etc.

But I watched many a tournament where its a race to 7 one player calls heads losses and never touches the table.

or straight pool where one players runs 125 and you never see the other player shoot

I personally like the idea of that bowling billiard game...where you break 10 balls and run... if you run all 10 its a strike. If you run 6 miss then run the other 4 you get a spare and so on... you keep score like bowling
ALTERNATING TURNS till the game is over.

When the game is over you get to see how BOTH players shot and their scores
Not one billiard master and his opponent the chair warmer
I'd rather see 2 billiard masters perform

And another plus to this game is you can play the best overall score wins which means you play 3 games of 10 frames each and your done get an average and post it against the ENTIRE FIELD....NO BAD DRAWS..OR EASY DRAWS...no playing 2 and out while someone else plays ALL DAY...every body plays the same amount and the BEST PLAYER WINS PERIOD

Also for Amateur bowling billiard tourney's balls could be pocketed in any order (much easier)

For the Pros it can be played like 10 ball in numerical order (much harder)

Who knows might even be a better format for television and bring some life and money to our sport
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There would be a place for that but not to the exclusion of head to head play. That is the great thing about pool, there are many games that can be played and rules you can play by.
The head to head aspect though is one of the best parts of pool. One player actually knocks out the other player much like boxing or tennis. In games like bowling or golf there is no defensive play, you can't directly interact and screw with the other player like you can in pool.
 
The game is called OB-300, which we have been playing in Dallas for the past year. The game was invented by Don Owen which he has a patten on.
 
Rak9up said:
But I watched many a tournament where its a race to 7 one player calls heads losses and never touches the table.

or straight pool where one players runs 125 and you never see the other player shoot
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A) if there was a proper lag, then the other player DID have his go at the table and lost the lag
B) these situations are masterful presentations of skill that you should enjoy at least as much as the close race contests
C) When you miss the opponent gets a turn, when you don't miss the opponent sits in his chair. What is so hard about that?
 
Rak9up said:
In many, many other sports and other games you get to see how everyone performs.
Like in darts both players throw 3 darts alternating turns and one person may win by 1 dart but you see if both are masters.

Or golf everyone plays all holes but best score wins and you see how everyone performs

Bowling both players...... etc.

But I watched many a tournament where its a race to 7 one player calls heads losses and never touches the table.

or straight pool where one players runs 125 and you never see the other player shoot

I personally like the idea of that bowling billiard game...where you break 10 balls and run... if you run all 10 its a strike. If you run 6 miss then run the other 4 you get a spare and so on... you keep score like bowling
ALTERNATING TURNS till the game is over.

When the game is over you get to see how BOTH players shot and their scores
Not one billiard master and his opponent the chair warmer
I'd rather see 2 billiard masters perform

And another plus to this game is you can play the best overall score wins which means you play 3 games of 10 frames each and your done get an average and post it against the ENTIRE FIELD....NO BAD DRAWS..OR EASY DRAWS...no playing 2 and out while someone else plays ALL DAY...every body plays the same amount and the BEST PLAYER WINS PERIOD

Also for Amateur bowling billiard tourney's balls could be pocketed in any order (much easier)

For the Pros it can be played like 10 ball in numerical order (much harder)

Who knows might even be a better format for television and bring some life and money to our sport
Click to expand...

Rak9up!

It looks like you've seen our new pool game called Pool 300! How did you hear about it!

As Charlie (Papa Red) mentioned, we have been playing Pool 300 in a league format for a couple of sessions here in North Dallas.

A little history.
Don and Anita Owen are my business partners in OB Cues. Don, a pretty smart guy, came up with the concept of a pool game scored like bowling. We worked on the specifics about the game, the rules, the format and how it is played for several months. We consulted with Randy Goettlicher of Cue-Tech pool school for his thoughts and comments. We even let the local players try it out at the Wednesday tournament night. The game was a big hit with just about everyone. So we decided to start a league, www.pool300.com

About the game.
Pool 300 is a challenging offensive game that appeals to every level of player, from the very beginner to the seasoned professional. The game is played like this. Rack 10 balls in order 1 through 10. Break the balls open and each ball counts for one point. After the break, take ball in hand and pocket the balls in order. The key point here is to POCKET them in order, not hit them. This means that you can't shoot a 1 into the 3 combo and keep shooting. It also means that you can shoot a 3 into the 1 combo and keep shooting! There is no such thing as a "bad hit" because you don't have to hit the lowest ball first. Now, if you run all 10 on your first turn at the table (inning), you get a strike. If not, you record how many you made and now take ball in hand again. Only this time, you can run them off in any order to get your spare. If you get them all, of course, it's a spare. If you don't get them all, you record how many you did get and the total ball count is your score for that inning. A strike is 10 points plus the next 2 innings, and a spare is 10 points plus the next 1 inning.

About the league
Our pool 300 league is just really getting started. It is BCAPL Sanctioned so if you play enough weeks you do qualify to attend the BCAPL Nationals in Las Vegas. We play with teams of 4 players per night, and we play 2 games of 3 frames each game. Pool 300 is completely handicapped. The beauty of this game is that the handicaps work! Period! We often have lower skilled players contributing as much as the higher skilled players.


We hope to expand our league to every pool room or bar that would like to have it. We will put out a press release as soon as we have some additional information. In the meantime, don't hesitate to check out the website.
 
RBC said:
Rak9up!

It looks like you've seen our new pool game called Pool 300! How did you hear about it!

As Charlie (Papa Red) mentioned, we have been playing Pool 300 in a league format for a couple of sessions here in North Dallas.

A little history.
Don and Anita Owen are my business partners in OB Cues. Don, a pretty smart guy, came up with the concept of a pool game scored like bowling. We worked on the specifics about the game, the rules, the format and how it is played for several months. We consulted with Randy Goettlicher of Cue-Tech pool school for his thoughts and comments. We even let the local players try it out at the Wednesday tournament night. The game was a big hit with just about everyone. So we decided to start a league, www.pool300.com

About the game.
Pool 300 is a challenging offensive game that appeals to every level of player, from the very beginner to the seasoned professional. The game is played like this. Rack 10 balls in order 1 through 10. Break the balls open and each ball counts for one point. After the break, take ball in hand and pocket the balls in order. The key point here is to POCKET them in order, not hit them. This means that you can't shoot a 1 into the 3 combo and keep shooting. It also means that you can shoot a 3 into the 1 combo and keep shooting! There is no such thing as a "bad hit" because you don't have to hit the lowest ball first. Now, if you run all 10 on your first turn at the table (inning), you get a strike. If not, you record how many you made and now take ball in hand again. Only this time, you can run them off in any order to get your spare. If you get them all, of course, it's a spare. If you don't get them all, you record how many you did get and the total ball count is your score for that inning. A strike is 10 points plus the next 2 innings, and a spare is 10 points plus the next 1 inning.

About the league
Our pool 300 league is just really getting started. It is BCAPL Sanctioned so if you play enough weeks you do qualify to attend the BCAPL Nationals in Las Vegas. We play with teams of 4 players per night, and we play 2 games of 3 frames each game. Pool 300 is completely handicapped. The beauty of this game is that the handicaps work! Period! We often have lower skilled players contributing as much as the higher skilled players.


We hope to expand our league to every pool room or bar that would like to have it. We will put out a press release as soon as we have some additional information. In the meantime, don't hesitate to check out the website.
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If its pool realted I know about it :)....we've been toying with modifying
the game of 9 ball and practice drill playing the ghost.

We were thinking of playing 9 ball.. each ball counts as 1 point and the 9 ball is 2 points for a total of 10 points. with 10 sets or frames per game.

You break.. if you scratch or cueball off the table its a 0 for that frame
If you break and run all 9 "naturally" you get a 10 points PLUS bonus for a "natural" run.

If you break and can't see the first ball you get the option of a one time ball in hand after the break and then you try and run out if you do its 10 points but no "natural" bonus because you used your ball in hand option due to the fact you were hooked.

So a perfect game would be 200 thats breaking seeing the first or lowest ball and running out everytime.

breaking dry is not a zero but missing the first called shot would be.

We thought this would be much simpler than adding up "strikes" and "spares"

10 racks...10 scores...add em up your done Highest score wins

Your rewarded for natural runs somewhat punished for using your ball in hand crutch

PRO'S as I see it

1. Everybody plays the same amount of games

2. Most balls made wins..cheesing the nine not an advantage

3.Easy format to handicapp(but I hate handicapps)(I perfer straight up but the option could be there)

4.Scoring system much simpler than pool 300

5. you compete against the entire field (good or bad draws don't matter)

6. Since the tournament format is closer to golf.. could have better potential for increased T.V. and revenue

Cons

1. its an offensive game only(their is a beauty to a well played safe and kick to hit or make it)

All all in all I think its a cool idea to try
heck 40 years ago it was straight pool, then 9 ball maybe this could be next
 
RBC said:
Rak9up!

It looks like you've seen our new pool game called Pool 300! How did you hear about it!

As Charlie (Papa Red) mentioned, we have been playing Pool 300 in a league format for a couple of sessions here in North Dallas.

A little history.
Don and Anita Owen are my business partners in OB Cues. Don, a pretty smart guy, came up with the concept of a pool game scored like bowling. We worked on the specifics about the game, the rules, the format and how it is played for several months. We consulted with Randy Goettlicher of Cue-Tech pool school for his thoughts and comments. We even let the local players try it out at the Wednesday tournament night. The game was a big hit with just about everyone. So we decided to start a league, www.pool300.com

About the game.
Pool 300 is a challenging offensive game that appeals to every level of player, from the very beginner to the seasoned professional. The game is played like this. Rack 10 balls in order 1 through 10. Break the balls open and each ball counts for one point. After the break, take ball in hand and pocket the balls in order. The key point here is to POCKET them in order, not hit them. This means that you can't shoot a 1 into the 3 combo and keep shooting. It also means that you can shoot a 3 into the 1 combo and keep shooting! There is no such thing as a "bad hit" because you don't have to hit the lowest ball first. Now, if you run all 10 on your first turn at the table (inning), you get a strike. If not, you record how many you made and now take ball in hand again. Only this time, you can run them off in any order to get your spare. If you get them all, of course, it's a spare. If you don't get them all, you record how many you did get and the total ball count is your score for that inning. A strike is 10 points plus the next 2 innings, and a spare is 10 points plus the next 1 inning.

About the league
Our pool 300 league is just really getting started. It is BCAPL Sanctioned so if you play enough weeks you do qualify to attend the BCAPL Nationals in Las Vegas. We play with teams of 4 players per night, and we play 2 games of 3 frames each game. Pool 300 is completely handicapped. The beauty of this game is that the handicaps work! Period! We often have lower skilled players contributing as much as the higher skilled players.


We hope to expand our league to every pool room or bar that would like to have it. We will put out a press release as soon as we have some additional information. In the meantime, don't hesitate to check out the website.
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I hate to disappoint you Royce, but this game has been played here in Wichita for years and years, and was invented by Terry Young, who owns Rumors billiards here, and is a 4 time National Champion.

Terry is also a highly skilled systems person, and excellent programmer, and invented his own room software that registers any transaction with 3 key strokes or less. He sells copies of his software to other room owners, and it does time for big tables, as well as food and drinks.

Before the latest craze with 10 ball (like 9 ball only 10 balls), the other was referred to as 10 ball or bowliards here. But here, you just shoot the balls in any order calling the pocket (much like straight Pool). You still score a strike or a spare the same way, or the ball count if you miss twice.

Rumors billiards and Southrock billiards here in Wichita both run 10 ball (bowliards) leagues here, and have for years.
 
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