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Brady Gollan way back in the day
My first observation of Brady was up close and personal. I can't remember what they called the tournament but it was an annual weekend tournament in Spokane. I knew I was dead money as I knew the field was tough and I had negligible time on 9 foot tables. I did get there on Friday night to get a little table time. Upon entry my wife went to watch the draw and I was grabbing a beer then heading to the tables. As I approached the tables a friend from Tri Cities saw me and gushed, "You gotta see this guy he just broke and ran 6. His name is Brady Golan. I got to the rail just as he was breaking down his cue. About that time my wife comes up and says, "I think you are playing a girl as it's Brandy Golden." 😁 Shortly thereafter I saw Dan Louie and when I told him I had drawn Brady he encouraged me with the account of how many times Brady had won the Spokane tournament.(More than anyone else) And the huge run he posted to win it the previous year. Horsefall and Danny were usually in that tournament. So I was proud to get 3 going to 9. Brady was a true gentleman and ambassador to the game. The year he beat Martinez he finished the first set with a 6 pack and opened the second with the same. I heard that he had the rarest 155 in snooker. That can be attained with freeball starting with all the reds on the table.
 
Okay, first of all, I don't need to "believe" anything. I have known Eric (easy-e) for years, and played him again just before I moved to Germany, and he plays 650 speed, if not a little better.
Thanks Russ. I'm currently at 686. I have been taking some time off but just about ready to start playing again. If I could put the bottle down for a minute I'll hit that 700 soon. :cry:
 
Well I can understand that you believe that. I ask that you consider that perhaps the way the ratings are arrived at is less than perfect. I don't know of a better system or how to improve this one.
Perhaps the interview with Ronnie could give a clue as to how it is that I do better on the Big Stage(often but not always). I like Ronnie enjoy competition. I do my best to win. Some factors often effect what I am capable of on any occasion. Last night's league event is an example. I play in the Bullhead City league a little over an hour drive once a week. This is a social event that my wife and I enjoy. It doesn't however have me in top form. The drive has me driving looking into the sunset and arriving with time for practice time of 30 minutes for 3 team mates. So with 2 games against each opponent I get a total of 6 games lost the first 3 and won the last 3. For all I know my opponents Fargo rates might show that as about right. 🤷‍♂️ I however wanted a do over on the first 3 games. 😉
This reminds me of a statement Brady Golan made regarding losing to Rafael Martinez after Rafael had all of his matches on the tv table. Brady said, "you give me back to back matches on the same table and we'll see how he likes it." Well Brady did get back to back on the tv table as he rose through the losers bracket and played Rafael who held the point. Brady won. 🤷‍♂️ When I enter a big event I arrive a day early and practice on the equipment at least a few hours not minutes. I see to it that I am well rested and focused. Our weekly league has me in less than optimal shape on arrival. Last night by the time I found my form it was over. For sure an excuse alert would be appropriate somewhere in this post. 😉
I do however take offense at Sandbagger. My first win in a Big Boys tournament was after Lake City Red tried sharking me with the word Cheater. Fired me up and carried me through the lovers bracket and eventually first place.
Our last venture to the BCA Nationals in Las Vegas had me talking with a friend from Tri Cities Dave that was around 650. I told him, "the good news is my Fargo is 575. The bad news is I have earned it." Then we played in a handicap minni, with him needing 5 and me 3. I felt honor bound to beat him 3-2. 🤷‍♂️
So my Fargo is what it is and if you want to see my very best..........What was it Hancock would say?
Tell more about this lovers bracket?

I don't this we have that on the right coast.
 
I assume it's losers not lovers. The auto correct often corrects me that way.
Double elimination is the format most often encountered on the Wesr Coast. It would be easy for me to sniffle about the change in that format at the White Spot er changed to Right Spot, tournament that was my best finish in The Big Show bar box tournament. I think it was '89. I made my comeback down 6-2 going to 7 for the point. (The last 2 on the winners side). I then faced Jim Ward who had come through the 2nd chance side. That tournament, for the first time made the finals one single race to 13. A change that IMHO gives advantage to the 2nd chance side. That player gerts back to play back to back at the end. Jim Ward once won a double elimination race to 9 winner break bar box event with his opponent getting 1 first break.(a dry one) from the losers side :eek: 2 sets 18 game package.
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So I was thrilled to get a kick at 0-4 and a shot at 0-7. I was able to get 3 or 4 but missed a 7 ball by oh so close.
I was proud to take 2nd at 13-4. Hard to put Fargo numbers to days of and players of the years before.
Hard to put the right depreciation rate to scores that are so old. 🤷‍♂️ Yes back then I could swing with the 700+ players. Hard to accept but the numbers prove it out. The depreciation is real. I have seen it in Jim's play in his '80s. I am on that bus....Russ 😉
Oh Please call me a Sandbagger.(whispers One Moe Time) 😉
 
Sometimes Older is wiser. Sometimes it's just OLDer. You pick first. If I like it don't be surprised at a double. Whatever is comfortable. A friendly game. Your pick. What's comfortable? 😉 (my best sales pitch)
 
A beer was always comfortable. Well that's $5 including a tip so $5 nine ball was always available for starter. Well at The Seed 2 in Bellevue. (Not the institution)
 
Bobby McDonald for the point. He now plays with Cole. I heard he and Danny used to match up even. Danny always gave Rich(the hat) the 8 ball.
Danny did provide the inspiration to me to come back from 6-2 as on 2 occasions in the finals I watched him come back from 6-0. 🤷‍♂️ So 6-2.....that's OK.
I don't bag sand, I do on occasion pound it. Shrug. Now where did you want This Sand, uh Sir?
 
Okay one last thought. A helper I had was knowing Mike Sentz had put $5 on Me against McDonald. He saw my chances to the tune of a beer. So if you see me in a limited Fargo event I might be a good bet.....well worth a beer. 😉
 
If the weaker player wins 50% of those matches, doesn't that mean the handicapping system is working?
It does but when you get matches that go 7-3 or 5-2 it becomes a lot easier for luck to factor in, I think its much easier for the lower ranked player to win a match at 7-3 than it would be if the race were 10-5 for example but if races were that long tournaments would take forever. I would be willing to bet if you looked at league results there are a good percentage of players beating someone 100-150 points higher than what Fargo says that win percentage should be, I could be wrong but I don't think I am. Its just too easy to win a single game or very short race, skill plays less of a factor over a short race.
 
It does but when you get matches that go 7-3 or 5-2 it becomes a lot easier for luck to factor in, I think its much easier for the lower ranked player to win a match at 7-3 than it would be if the race were 10-5 for example but if races were that long tournaments would take forever. I would be willing to bet if you looked at league results there are a good percentage of players beating someone 100-150 points higher than what Fargo says that win percentage should be, I could be wrong but I don't think I am. Its just too easy to win a single game or very short race, skill plays less of a factor over a short race.
Agreed. I do think that for weekly or even monthly tournaments, the races should be shorter. I want to get in and get out. If I get beat by a lower-rated player I thank them for the match and go home. I'm also a big advocate for single elimination tournaments. Who wants to spend their entire weekend in a pool hall?!?!
 
It does but when you get matches that go 7-3 or 5-2 it becomes a lot easier for luck to factor in, I think its much easier for the lower ranked player to win a match at 7-3 than it would be if the race were 10-5 for example but if races were that long tournaments would take forever. I would be willing to bet if you looked at league results there are a good percentage of players beating someone 100-150 points higher than what Fargo says that win percentage should be, I could be wrong but I don't think I am. Its just too easy to win a single game or very short race, skill plays less of a factor over a short race.
Methinks before you can look at the accuracy of Fargo # between 2 players, you gotta look at the accuracy for each player first.

Hacks like us probably have ~100 pt. variance in per set ratings. Sometimes we don't miss and sometimes we make the other guy win.

An 800+ player is going to play about the same every set.

Single matches are not always going to be as Fargo siggests and that sn't the #s fault.
 
... Hacks like us probably have ~100 pt. variance in per set ratings. Sometimes we don't miss and sometimes we make the other guy win.

An 800+ player is going to play about the same every set. ...
I think that both kinds of players have about the same variance in single sets. It's just that Shane is 720-920 as opposed to 300-500. I believe Mike Page posted on this.
 
Methinks before you can look at the accuracy of Fargo # between 2 players, you gotta look at the accuracy for each player first.

Hacks like us probably have ~100 pt. variance in per set ratings. Sometimes we don't miss and sometimes we make the other guy win.

An 800+ player is going to play about the same every set.

Single matches are not always going to be as Fargo siggests and that sn't the #s fault.
My whole point about handicapped matches is that it is much easier for a low ranked player to beat a much higher ranked player because of the short race, races which must be short for tournaments to finish in a reasonable time frame. That makes me favor capped events as being more desirable than handicapped events.
 
Agreed. I do think that for weekly or even monthly tournaments, the races should be shorter. I want to get in and get out. If I get beat by a lower-rated player I thank them for the match and go home. I'm also a big advocate for single elimination tournaments. Who wants to spend their entire weekend in a pool hall?!?!
I hear you on that one, I certainly don't need to get whooped up on twice in one day to realize that it aint my day.
 
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