Proposed TAR - TOI VS NO AIMING SYSTEM
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You must have missed this post where I complimented you, sort of !..("No hope for pool" thread)
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=4418811&postcount=23
PS..Also, to celebrate your voluntary removal of your 1/2 page 'infomercial'...I removed my avatar..(of the freaky coyote)...Could a cease fire, be far off ?..
priceless ........
It's a compliment for him.
This is about the most ridiculous statement I've ever read.
This video is proof you're full of something the horse left out back of the barn.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWRAfZ25JRU
The "kick shots" originated in 3 Cushion Billiards, and Balkline Billiards.
Making "kick shots" has the biggest luck element of any other pocket billiards "called" shot, that's the facts. Many kick shots made would take at approximately 10 tries to repeat.
"Kicking" was not a noticeable part of pocket billiards original games, it came to fruition when "One Foul Ball in Hand" was introduced and used in 9 Ball.
While there was an occasional kick shot or "rail first" shot in pocket billiards they were few and far between.
The "kick shots" originated in 3 Cushion Billiards, and Balkline Billiards. This is why Efren is so accomplished, his best game is "Straight Rail" Balkline Billiards.....he didn't learn to "kick" playing pocket billiards, it the Philippines they play rotation and the DO NOT play be One Foul rules.
These are the facts, "kicking" is not meant to be a part of pocket billiards, and the game would be FAR better off if 'Two Shot Shoot Out' Rules were implemented so the luck (for the most part) of kicking would be reduced and skill put back into the game.
'The Inner Game is the Teacher'
Making "kick shots" has the biggest luck element of any other pocket billiards "called" shot, that's the facts. Many kick shots made would take at approximately 10 tries to repeat.
"Kicking" was not a noticeable part of pocket billiards original games, it came to fruition when "One Foul Ball in Hand" was introduced and used in 9 Ball.
While there was an occasional kick shot or "rail first" shot in pocket billiards they were few and far between.
The "kick shots" originated in 3 Cushion Billiards, and Balkline Billiards. This is why Efren is so accomplished, his best game is "Straight Rail" Balkline Billiards.....he didn't learn to "kick" playing pocket billiards, it the Philippines they play rotation and the DO NOT play be One Foul rules.
These are the facts, "kicking" is not meant to be a part of pocket billiards, and the game would be FAR better off if 'Two Shot Shoot Out' Rules were implemented so the luck (for the most part) of kicking would be reduced and skill put back into the game.
'The Inner Game is the Teacher'
I do appreciate his compliment, and maybe it's the beginning of many
And I do appreciate his compliment, and maybe it's the beginning of many more to come.
And I do appreciate his compliment, and maybe it's the beginning of many more to come.
All the lectures in the world won't take the smell of horse manure off that statement.
Just so you don't think this kicking phenomenon is exclusive to Efren.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HI8TWd0i77o
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As the commentator said:
"The Philippine fans appreciate an amazing kick shot more than they do an amazing jump shot. That is the epitome of good pool to a Philippine pool fan."
And I'm kinda fond of great kicks myself.
We still have the opinion that "kicking" should not be a prominent part of a pool
That's funny, although if you literally smell horse manure after reading something....anything....you may find it doesn't come from the reading material.
If you don't mean it literally then I appreciate your condescending humor, it's beautifully executed and funny too.:groucho:
We still have the opinion that "kicking" should not be a prominent part of a pocket billiard game, much like it should not be a prominent part of boxing, hockey, baseball, tennis, golf, or even snooker and bowling.
Kicking is great in football, martial arts, and MMA.....so it does have it's place, just not "any" place. 'The Inner Game is the Teacher'
That's funny, although if you literally smell horse manure after reading something....anything....you may find it doesn't come from the reading material.
If you don't mean it literally then I appreciate your condescending humor, it's beautifully executed and funny too.:groucho:
We still have the opinion that "kicking" should not be a prominent part of a pocket billiard game, much like it should not be a prominent part of boxing, hockey, baseball, tennis, golf, or even snooker and bowling.
Kicking is great in football, martial arts, and MMA.....so it does have it's place, just not "any" place. 'The Inner Game is the Teacher'
We still have the opinion that "kicking" should not be a prominent part of a pool
That's funny, although if you literally smell horse manure after reading something....anything....you may find it doesn't come from the reading material.
If you don't mean it literally then we appreciate your condescending humor, it's beautifully executed and funny too.:groucho:
We still have the opinion that "kicking" should not be a prominent part of a pocket billiard game, much like it should not be a prominent part of boxing, hockey, baseball, tennis, golf, or even snooker and bowling.
Kicking is great in football, martial arts, and MMA.....so it does have it's place, just not "any" place". 'The Inner Game is the Teacher'
That's funny, although if you literally smell horse manure after reading something....anything....you may find it doesn't come from the reading material.
If you don't mean it literally then we appreciate your condescending humor, it's beautifully executed and funny too.:groucho:
We still have the opinion that "kicking" should not be a prominent part of a pocket billiard game, much like it should not be a prominent part of boxing, hockey, baseball, tennis, golf, or even snooker and bowling.
Kicking is great in football, martial arts, and MMA.....so it does have it's place, just not "any" place". 'The Inner Game is the Teacher'
Banks
Banned
Well, sumbeetch, I guess we'll just have to remove banking, too. That's not in baseball, skydiving, fishing, sewing, etc. It's great in saving money, though!
Screw it, I'm just going to play video games from now on. The ignore has become the teacher.
Sorry CJ, I do understand the difference between literal and figurative.
Your assertion that kicking has no place in pocket billiards figuratively smells like shit.
I'm sure a player of your <sarcastic font> legendary godlike stature </end font> must know how to use a diamond system to accurately figure out kicks.
But hey, if you want to get rid of kicks, why don't we get rid of the break too? From what I understand, they use some sort of hand maneuver in Argentina to spread the balls and start the game.
I'm sure you think jump shots involve too much luck too. Let's get rid of those. Banks...... GONE!!!!!
There you go, hey while you're at it, get a big billiards bag and drop the balls on the table and play your 2 shot push out game that way. No more issue with the wired wing ball.
oh yeah, kicking is a very important part of 1 pocket. That must add that extra element of luck that makes you think 2 shot pushout is a harder game.
Honestly I'd think someone with your background would have figured out your on the losing percentage of this very odd string of arguments and assertions and cut your losses by now.
That's funny, I read somewhere that Mike Zuglan said something about getting a canopy over the table and pulling a string to release the balls or something to that effect. :grin-square:
Ain't the worst idea in the world to me, but please, let's keep the kicks, banks, billiards, combos, and safeties and leave the sharpshooting exhibitions to the snooker blokes.
Kicking to hit a ball in 9 ball is turning the cue ball loose. Unless I'm trying to pocket a ball on a ticky or mirror image shot, I probably won't have a lot of control of where the cue ball will end up. Two shot gives me another option.
I've rolled out to kicks in two shot roll out before. I was reasonably sure where I was leaving the cue ball for a safe or I was going for the pot. Occasionally a bad roll out has left me where I can't hit the object ball (don't laugh until you play enough roll out) by me or my opponent. Then you're jumping or kicking anyway.
Lots more banking in two shot, too. If you can't bank or cut, guess what? Long stroke shots and shooting jacked up or off of the rail are the norm. Jacked up and straight in can be a real pisser eight feet away!
Best,
Mike
I've rolled out to kicks in two shot roll out before. I was reasonably sure where I was leaving the cue ball for a safe or I was going for the pot. Occasionally a bad roll out has left me where I can't hit the object ball (don't laugh until you play enough roll out) by me or my opponent. Then you're jumping or kicking anyway.
Lots more banking in two shot, too. If you can't bank or cut, guess what?
Long stroke shots and shooting jacked up or off of the rail are the norm. Jacked up and straight in can be a real pisser eight feet away!Best,
Mike
Kicking to hit a ball in 9 ball is turning the cue ball loose. Unless I'm trying to pocket a ball on a ticky or mirror image shot, I probably won't have a lot of control of where the cue ball will end up. Two shot gives me another option.
I've rolled out to kicks in two shot roll out before. I was reasonably sure where I was leaving the cue ball for a safe or I was going for the pot. Occasionally a bad roll out has left me where I can't hit the object ball (don't laugh until you play enough roll out) by me or my opponent. Then you're jumping or kicking anyway.
Lots more banking in two shot, too. If you can't bank or cut, guess what?
Best,
Mike
This is EXACTLY why this is a better game. It lets the shooter decide the next shot, if he/she is able to roll out to wherever they intended the cue ball to be. It ISN'T like having to kick at a ball with the odds significantly against you leaving your opponent with a difficult shot.
If you roll out to a shot and your opponent doesn't flinch and fires it in the hole, then you learn not to leave that type of shot again. It becomes a cat and mouse type of game and the better player usually figures out their opponent's weaknesses before the opposite occurs.
For those of you who are interested Lou and I matched up to play for $10,000 with $500 a game on the side.
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=337215
This won't settle the question of whether one foul is better than two foul or two foul is better than one pocket but its still action and those of you who like Lou's side of it can get more action with me. SJD you can bet bottles of Yukon Jack if you want to.
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=337215
This won't settle the question of whether one foul is better than two foul or two foul is better than one pocket but its still action and those of you who like Lou's side of it can get more action with me. SJD you can bet bottles of Yukon Jack if you want to.