Proposed TAR - TOI VS NO AIMING SYSTEM

JB Cases said:
Yes I am willing. Not in this thread though. I will be at the Super Billiards Expo in 2014. We can play as soon as that show is concluded at Sandcastle Billiards.

I will NOT get in to any back and forth on this. All the insulting and taunting is done. Go there and we won't play just exactly like the last guy who thought it was a good idea to use that tactic after it was time to make a game.

You can email me at jb@jbideas.com and we can work out the exact details and then you can make the announcement on AZ.
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I'm not emailing you didly-do-da.

You have been in my face *here* for years. The matching up will be *here* for everyone to see what a worm you are. And if you don't think there's going to be a little "friendly" taunting and woofing in the lead up, you're even nuttier than I thought.

Lou Figueroa
 
CJ Wiley said:
Chris said he'd play me in Virginia or Indiana......I'm certainly not playing serious enough right now to suddenly fly accross the country to play. I did play some $400 One Pocket a few weeks ago and "got lucky"....many know who I played and how.

We're working on a significant billiard project right now and I said with 3 days notice I'll play anyone here in Ft. Worth.....it can be Chris, Bustemante, Efren, Johnny, Earl, or anyone else that wants to play. That's a fair offer, so if that's "wanting the nuts" then I must be playing better than I "real eyes". ;)

You have a right to your own opinion, but not your own facts.
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Of course, we know you only want to play "roll out" 9-Ball. Correct?

I can arrange a game for you with Dennis and Carlo will play you second, if you play one set of each. Dennis has never played 'roll out' pool so how about one set of each, for 5K per set. You must bet a minimum of $10,000 for us to come to Ft. Worth. That's more than fair, considering it may take them years to learn this extremely complicated game.

Or you can agree to play him (or Carlo) some Rotation, a much tougher game than any form of 9-Ball. Of course, you probably think Rotation is far easier than 'roll out' 9-Ball.
 
lfigueroa said:
I'm not emailing you didly-do-da.

You have been in my face *here* for years. The matching up will be *here* for everyone to see what a worm you are. And if you don't think there's going to be a little "friendly" taunting and woofing in the lead up, you're even nuttier than I thought.

Lou Figueroa
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That's my condition Lou. Not letting you or any of your "team" turn this into a bash John festival before we lock down the details. It is simple. Time, place, who to post with, get ready. After you post the agreement you can say what want and play whatever head games you think give you an edge.

Look this is 10k. If you're serious or your backers are then let's make it happen. If you're not serious don't email me and just keep barking.
 
Lou & JB Woofing

I created this thread to see if there was any interest in a CJ vs Bartram match...NOT to listen to Lou and JB rant and rave about their playing skills or LACK OF!!!

If you two want to continues your BS, create a NEW thread!

It find it both interesting and humorous that everyone thinks CJ is over the hill, but NOBODY has jumped all over him to play when two-shot push comes into play!

Is two-shot such a game changer that it scares everyone off?
 
BasementDweller said:
CJ - I appreciate what you are saying here.<--I'm confused now, He doesn't even know what he is saying himself !

I've been in a very small minority on AZ when this or similar subjects come up.<--I can't imagine why ! :confused: I've always felt that both one-pocket and 14.1 are a bit over-hyped when it comes to how difficult they actually are. While certainly they are both interesting games that require some quality decision making, neither of them take years of study to understand how to play them -- especially when you are talking about championship level pool players. This has been proven time and time again in both disciplines...... <--You could not be more wrong !

One-pocket is sort of the same thing. You just need to be patient and learn to execute a few different shots that come up
a lot. <--Amazing, lack of understanding !

I’ve watched a lot of pool<--But, have you ever played any ? –and from what I've seen, it is way more about execution than imagination. <--Well sir, you managed to get this one exactly backwards !

I’m completely ignorant when it comes to 2 shot rollout 9-Ball. I would be interested in seeing some scenarios that really make you scratch your head.<--This tells me your level of play !
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Sir, with all due respect, you added nothing, zero, zilch, nada, to this debate, other than to show you know absolutely nothing about pool !...Maybe you are on the wrong forum ???
 
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JB Cases said:
That's my condition Lou. Not letting you or any of your "team" turn this into a bash John festival before we lock down the details. It is simple. Time, place, who to post with, get ready. After you post the agreement you can say what want and play whatever head games you think give you an edge.

Look this is 10k. If you're serious or your backers are then let's make it happen. If you're not serious don't email me and just keep barking.
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But it's OK for you and yours to come in out of the blue and take shots at me.

lol, classic JB.

Lou Figueroa
 
HawaiianEye said:
I created this thread to see if there was any interest in a CJ vs Bartram match...NOT to listen to Lou and JB rant and rave about their playing skills or LACK OF!!!

If you two want to continues your BS, create a NEW thread!

It find it both interesting and humorous that everyone thinks CJ is over the hill, but NOBODY has jumped all over him to play when two-shot push comes into play!

Is two-shot such a game changer that it scares everyone off?
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You want to try that again? You started a thread stirring up the hornet's nest by naming two pros and their respective outlooks on the game. Now you are unhappy its not going only in the direction you wanted it?

Pay attention to the nuances here and you can learn something.
 
HawaiianEye said:
I created this thread to see if there was any interest in a CJ vs Bartram match...NOT to listen to Lou and JB rant and rave about their playing skills or LACK OF!!!

If you two want to continues your BS, create a NEW thread!

It find it both interesting and humorous that everyone thinks CJ is over the hill, but NOBODY has jumped all over him to play when two-shot push comes into play!

Is two-shot such a game changer that it scares everyone off?
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My apologies. I was trying to address CJ's comments when John came flying in out of the blue (again) to take some shots at me and I got sucked in.

Lou Figueroa
 
Pathetic Shark said:
There's more chance of me winning this saturday's lotto than any of these bets happening - and I don't even play it.
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Well I honestly think Lou's backers would be willing to play but I think Lou won't let it happen. We will see. You could be right but it is not from a lack of willingness on my part.
 
JB Cases said:
You want to try that again? You started a thread stirring up the hornet's nest by naming two pros and their respective outlooks on the game. Now you are unhappy its not going only in the direction you wanted it?

Pay attention to the nuances here and you can learn something.
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I'm talking a matchup between PROs, not you and Lou,!

Nobody gives a rat's ass about how you and Lou play!

If you want to comment on pros playing the game, go ahead.
 
HawaiianEye said:
I created this thread to see if there was any interest in a CJ vs Bartram match...NOT to listen to Lou and JB rant and rave about their playing skills or LACK OF!!!

If you two want to continues your BS, create a NEW thread!

It find it both interesting and humorous that everyone thinks CJ is over the hill, but NOBODY has jumped all over him to play when two-shot push comes into play!

Is two-shot such a game changer that it scares everyone off?
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And a good thread it has been !...A lot of people, learned a lot of different things, about a lot of different people !..But, I'm surprised you didn't know that any time a thread goes over 50 posts here on AZB, it becomes ripe for side-tracking and hi-jacking, mostly by people (like John Barton) who don't have a clue !..It is automatic !..and it happens EVERY time !..:p

PS..JK John..:p :p :p
 
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HawaiianEye said:
I'm talking a matchup between PROs, not you and Lou,!

Nobody gives a rat's ass about how you and Lou play!

If you want to comment on pros playing the game, go ahead.
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I don't give a shit how they play, but I LOVE to watch a grudge match!
 
we're setting up the ultimate streaming video production room at the new place,

jhanso18 said:
I'm not making facts. You want what you feel to be the nuts = YOUR game in YOUR house. I think it's a fair offer to play anyone that way, but it will take more than $100 a game, or for that matter $400 a game to entice Bartrum to fly out. (I believe Chris has a similar offer. Go to his hall of choice, and play on his table, only difference is he'll play for whatever you want.) Do you NOT think you have the better of it playing 2shot shoot out, at home? Sorry if it came off as you're scared, but I was posting what I interpreted.

Hope you do play CB. I think Chris has the better of it at any game on a pool table. I say play one set 2 shot shoot out, and a second set the Texas Express rules, and let the chips fall where they may. If he wins one and not the other, I'd say your argument is spot on.

( I'd still believe 1 pocket to be the better than both though! ;) )

best,

Justin
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I'm more inclined to play Bustemante, Corey, Rodney, Johnny, or Dennis Hatch in the near future.....remember, TV events are what we're most interested in, not proving I can beat anyone in particular gambling, and we're setting up the ultimate streaming video production room at the new place, (that's where I've been all day here in Ft.Worth Texas}......I've won my share of gambling matches and winning or losing one more makes no difference to my past, present or future.

The future of pool LOOKS BRIGHT here in Texas, the economy is BOOMING! This location I found is "too good to be true," and the man that's managing the center is a BIG pool fan.......and his father owns the entire shopping center as well as many others.

.I can't believe how popular pool is in Ft. Worth right now, it's amazing the quality of wealthy individuals that play downtown at the private mens club, they have regular tournaments and it's like "the good ole days" again. It's a breath of fresh air for sure.

My point about the rules are simple: 'Two Shot Shoot Out' is vastly superior to playing any "ball in hand" One Foul game......it's actually not even close. I'll play anyone that comes down to Ft. Worth for 20 - 100 a game to make it interesting playing "2 Shot". I only play 2-3 hours a week so it's not like I'm in "dead stroke"....I just like to play 'Two Shot Shoot Out'......playing One Foul doesn't appeal to me at all, never has, never will.
 
Be at Peace, Jay, the game is our teacher.

jay helfert said:
I've played once or twice in my life. The better player almost always wins at One Pocket, not so with 9-Ball in any variation. Maybe you weren't paying attention when UJ Puckett, Amarillo Slim and Jersey Red were around your neighborhood. I GUARANTEE you they would be laughing at you now if they were here.
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Easy Jay, no one's attacking you, I said I had never seen you play pool and I haven't....that's not an attack, that's a fact. Jersey Red and I were good friends and I actually went to Houston and helped host his fund raiser when he had cancer.....I can't see him laughing at me, he actually was a very respectful man.

Same with Puckett......we inducted him in the Texas Hall of Fame and I still own the oil painting signed by him during his Hall of Fame Celebration at my pool room (when I was partners with John McChesney, and Randy G......I beat Amarillo Slim in Baton Rough out of $30,000 giving him 14/5, 15/5 (the same spot Efren was giving him at the time). One Pocket is totally overrated as such a tough game to play...it's actually one that takes very little physical talent.

One Pocket was considered an "old man's game" when I was growing up, so it never appealed to me, but now it's changed and became more offensive because of players like Scott Frost.

I've played Efren with 8/6, Jose Parica with 9/6 and Cliff Joyner several times with 8/7 and 9/8 .....I've never claimed to be that great of a One Pocket player, but I either broke even or won all those match ups.

When we get our streaming video running I'll host (and play) some one pocket matches, but I have a feeling the #1 game will be 'Two Shot Shoot Out'

And yes, the list of players you listed I obviously know and have played at one time or another......I gave Jack Cooney 8/7 when I was at my peak and he's supposed to be some kind of "One Pocket Guru".........Keith and I also played in Dallas....I always liked how he played the game and many people have said we have similar styles.

Be at Peace, Jay, you're a great tournament director and sorry I never got a chance to see you play, I'm sure you were amazing...... the game is our teacher. ;)
 
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May the BEST GAME WIN.....'The Game is the Teacher' CJ Wiley

{ALL RATINGS ARE DONE ON A "1" to "10" SCALE}

ONE POCKET VS TWO SHOT SHOOT OUT 9 BALL


1) Difficulty of Shot Making - ONE POCKET "4" - SHOOT OUT "6"

2) Difficulty of Cue Ball Position (by length and precision) - ONE POCKET "5" SHOOT OUT "6"

3) Percentage of difficult shots to routine shots (routine pertains to speed, spin and angle) - ONE POCKET "5" SHOOT OUT "6"

4) Required level of stroking power and precision - ONE POCKET "4" SHOOT OUT "5"

5) Average difficulty level for shots pocketed - ONE POCKET "3" SHOOT OUT "5"

6) Average difficulty level for safeties executed - ONE POCKET "5" SHOOT OUT "6"

7) Average difficulty level for Bank Shots - ONE POCKET "5" SHOOT OUT "5"

8) Average speed of shots required - ONE POCKET "3" SHOOT OUT "5"

9) Average level of English required on all shots - ONE POCKET "5" SHOOT OUT "3"

10) Average distance of follow and draw shots required - ONE P. "3" SHOOT O. "5"

11) Average shot length - ONE POCKET "3" SHOOT OUT "5"

12) Average length of draw and follow shots required - ONE POCKET "4" SHOOT O. "4"

TWO SHOT SHOOT OUT WINS BY +12

I will do a 15 minute video presentation to prove these numbers with anyone in the world that wants to represent One Pocket.....with a fair panel of judges I'm willing to bet that TWO SHOT SHOOT OUT will prevail in a fair contest to establish difficulty levels.

I am willing to put my money up to prove this point against anyone that wants to do a video presentation of One Pocket....the time limit is 15 minutes to make your case on the table demonstrating and explaining in any way you choose to make your points.

Anyone that thinks One Pocket will clearly win is living in a fantasy land......I actually don't think it will be that close, as represented by the test above I believe I can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that 'Two Shot Shoot Out' is the most difficult game.

May the BEST GAME WIN.....'The Game is the Teacher'
 
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