Guess that's your "out" when you have nothing left, huh? Can't win, so run. Have a good day. And this from the big time money player. Today he can't handle a little game talk and he runs away. Well, you proved my point quite well.
Proposed TAR - TOI VS NO AIMING SYSTEM
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Guess that's your "out" when you have nothing left, huh? Can't win, so run. Have a good day. And this from the big time money player. Today he can't handle a little game talk and he runs away. Well, you proved my point quite well.
If you look at it in REALITY...there is NO SUCH A THING AS LUCKING A SAFETY in this game. There is no SAFE...you push to a SHOT. Either your opponent will shoot it or he won't. If you push to a spot and he fires it in...it wasn't SAFE. The ONLY true safeties are shots that your opponent is AFRAID to take. You have to determine which shots those are through cat and mouse games over time.
.only the Game suffered and now is at an all time low in popularity
I know you used to play a lot of "Shoot Out'.....how do you like kicking balls on the bar table now? All the gamblers used to say "I'm not kicking at my money".
One Foul is just no fun compared to 'Shoot Out' - it's amazing that the game was swept under the carpet like it was.......it makes no sense why the rules would evolve to bring out the worst elements of pocket billiards and at the same time take away the best ones.
It was ingenious, the only problem is no one made anything by doing it......only the Game suffered and now is at an all time low in popularity.......go figure!
I know you used to play a lot of "Shoot Out'.....how do you like kicking balls on the bar table now? All the gamblers used to say "I'm not kicking at my money".
One Foul is just no fun compared to 'Shoot Out' - it's amazing that the game was swept under the carpet like it was.......it makes no sense why the rules would evolve to bring out the worst elements of pocket billiards and at the same time take away the best ones.
It was ingenious, the only problem is no one made anything by doing it......only the Game suffered and now is at an all time low in popularity.......go figure!
Do I got this right.
Is Bartram a Texas 9 ball champ? If that's so, how can CJ take that in his own state?:grin-devilish:
Is Bartram a Texas 9 ball champ? If that's so, how can CJ take that in his own state?:grin-devilish:
The Game of pocket billiards should be played with as little luck as possible,
Yes, the most brutal part of "one foul' is when your opponent misses and hooks you......at least with "Shoot Out' you can roll out and he has to earn the game. When you get hooked and kick, he usually gets an easy shot and runs out.....or ball-in-hand which is really unfair.
The Game of pocket billiards should be played with as little luck as possible, and the game should be controlled to promote difficult situations and shot making opportunities.
People can argue these points, but I'm really not sure why.....they are all true and accurate in helping the game get back on it's feet and popular again. One Foul has had it's time and failed miserably....it's not the players fault, the game won't allow them to show case their skills in a way that's entertaining.
These are the simple facts of the matter.
Yes, the most brutal part of "one foul' is when your opponent misses and hooks you......at least with "Shoot Out' you can roll out and he has to earn the game. When you get hooked and kick, he usually gets an easy shot and runs out.....or ball-in-hand which is really unfair.
The Game of pocket billiards should be played with as little luck as possible, and the game should be controlled to promote difficult situations and shot making opportunities.
People can argue these points, but I'm really not sure why.....they are all true and accurate in helping the game get back on it's feet and popular again. One Foul has had it's time and failed miserably....it's not the players fault, the game won't allow them to show case their skills in a way that's entertaining.
These are the simple facts of the matter.
If someone was paying for pool by the hour or playing on TV I can understand the one foul version I guess. If you love 9 ball and have played both one foul and two shot,
there's no way you can say one foul is a better game. It's like saying taco bell is good Mexican food compared to the real stuff.
You've been making that offer for weeks now, and not one person is interested. At least with my solution, you'd educate everyone, AND make money. Because I was dead nuts serious when I said I would buy.
True. You learned, after a few racks, your opponent's favorite shots the hard way.
I'd play safe sometimes when I didn't like the shot on a roll out. I tried to position the object ball close to a break out area for a cluster or like in TE, I would break out a ball and duck the cue ball in a safety.I've played run out bankers and jumpers that rolled to circus shots. They were good enough to make those shots, so I would play a safety and hope they rolled to a more favorable position for me to get out. After awhile, they'd quit rolling out to their strengths because they knew I wasn't going to let them shoot. The safety shut down their advantage over me.
Best,
Mike
long banks, long cuts, "two way shots", strategic roll outs,percentage shot decisions
That excuse about TV wanting "One Foul" is propoganda. What the business of TV is about is entertainment and since we don't do live events there's absolutely no way someone can take the position that One Foul is the "best" TV game.
Again, if someone does want to take that position I'll debate them on any video format. Someone would be a fool to take me up on that proposition, and I'm simply making a point. When it comes to strategy, shot making and entertainment "Two Shot Shoot Out' brings out many, many, many times more of these factors than "one-foul-ball-in-hand"....it's not even close in comparison.
The game of one-foul-ball-in-hand is about racking, breaking, kicking, ducking and running out easy outs by putting the ball anywhere on the table.
'Two Shot Shoot Out' is about long banks, long cuts, "two way shots", strategic roll outs, percentage shot decisions, statistical evaluations, and if the roll out is required there's no "racking and breaking" components to ruin the game.
That excuse about TV wanting "One Foul" is propoganda. What the business of TV is about is entertainment and since we don't do live events there's absolutely no way someone can take the position that One Foul is the "best" TV game.
Again, if someone does want to take that position I'll debate them on any video format. Someone would be a fool to take me up on that proposition, and I'm simply making a point. When it comes to strategy, shot making and entertainment "Two Shot Shoot Out' brings out many, many, many times more of these factors than "one-foul-ball-in-hand"....it's not even close in comparison.
The game of one-foul-ball-in-hand is about racking, breaking, kicking, ducking and running out easy outs by putting the ball anywhere on the table.
'Two Shot Shoot Out' is about long banks, long cuts, "two way shots", strategic roll outs, percentage shot decisions, statistical evaluations, and if the roll out is required there's no "racking and breaking" components to ruin the game.
Older players are scolding you for teaching T.O.I.? Heck, I figured out a version of T.O.I all by myself in my basement. I'd use it on most shots. I'd go to libraries and scour the indexes of pool books looking for more info on what I was doing. I'd find lots of info about doing it in order to get position, but no where did I find info about doing it on almost every shot as a preferable alternative to center ball, which is how I was practicing it. Finally, you started talking about it and put out a DVD. It was everything I was looking for. Boy, did it shed some light on things! So older players want to keep me in the dark and hide from me the very thing I was looking for? What kind of sense does that make? I've never heard of any other sport where this type of mentality prevails.We are playing down at Rusty's in Ft. Worth every day. There's more gambling here than anywhere I've ever seem in my life. I played a guy in his house last week giving him 14/5 and won my biggest score in recent history. Texas' pool economy is booming for some reason.
I'm supposed to keep this info "secret," however I did produce "CJ's Ultimate Pool Secrets" and I'm still getting scolded by some of the older players for teaching 'The Touch of Inside' technique......oh, well, such is life, I'm ok with getting scolded and yelled at.
'Enjoying Gambling is the Teacher'
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I have NO problem with that philosophy !..However, to achieve that goal, there are only two (2) commonly played games, that almost completely eliminate, (or at least minimize) the "luck factor"!.."ONE POCKET" or "BANK POOL" !..But first, you need to admit that to yourself !..
Pool, like all games involving 'round balls' will always inherently contain an element of 'luck' !..The best player(s) will STILL win in the long run !..You can't change that ! :wink:
No matter what, the people that truly want Pocket Billiards to be in the spotlight
Yes, it's a shame, but the older player's mentality was to keep things hidden from the regular players so they could capitalize off them. I don't blame them, it's been done in many other businesses and is evident on Wall Street and ventured capitalist's investment opportunities......they have an advantage and it's only valuable as long as others are kept "in the dark". I decided to change this pattern and dedicate 3 years to try to change the game into something more marketable....that could be used as a marketing vehicle like other sports have become like NASCAR, and Texas Hold-Em.
The same thing is being done with 'Two Shot Shoot Out' - this game brings out the best shot-making, safety play, strategic decisions, touch shots, long bank shots, long cut shots, shots off the rail with power/finesse, etc......and the best player will win over the course of time by wearing their opponent down using the shots I just mentioned. The "roll outs" are also very strategic and sometimes the player will reposition one, two, or three other balls on their roll out....and for good reasons that may not be apparent until two or three shots later.
One Foul ball-in-hand is another story. The shots are mostly random because the players can't place the first shot to set up the best situation available on the table....this is what is done every time when a champion player rolls out....we know where that shot is and what all the percentages are to make it or get safe...or a combination of both at the same time......every ball on the table is involved in this formula and it's very complex, however after many years of playing our minds start to show us the correct shots and why.
The absolute best way to play "Shoot Out' is to require a "roll out" on the first shot and I will explain exactly why in the near future. Many of the greatest point can't be explained in writing effectively, they most be demonstrated and explained at the pool table......you can either believe that or not, I would recommend you keep an open mind and at least give me the benefit of the doubt.
My background consisted of playing this game for millions of dollars over the course of 17 years, and we won over $300,000 a year, three straight years and no one could win playing this particular game.... we played everyone that would gamble. I'm not "bragging," these are just the facts and many of my road partners can back these statements up including "Strong Arm John" who is considered one of the best "Road Men" in history.
I would certainly vote for him, as well as Weldon Rogers, Buddy Hall, Vernon Elliot, Omaha John, Allen Hopkins, Nick Varner, Doug Smith, "Country Calvin", Reid Pierce, "Mike Johnson", Dalton Leong, and Rusty Bandimiere....all of these players were extremely advanced at 'Two Shot Shoot Out'....we traveled, played, or was in at various times with all of them playing for exorbitant amounts of "chips".
My agenda for promoting this game is simple - It's vastly better than the current game being played and no one finds the current game mentally stimulating. 'Two Shot Shoot Out' is more like poker where you can "DARE" you opponent to "Shoot or Pass" and that's what makes it so much more interesting.....
No matter what, the people that truly want Pocket Billiards to be in the public spotlight again will support the most entertaining game.....this should not be negotiable, I understand everyone's right to an opinion, but this is a "no brainer". 'The Game is the Teacher'
Yes, it's a shame, but the older player's mentality was to keep things hidden from the regular players so they could capitalize off them. I don't blame them, it's been done in many other businesses and is evident on Wall Street and ventured capitalist's investment opportunities......they have an advantage and it's only valuable as long as others are kept "in the dark". I decided to change this pattern and dedicate 3 years to try to change the game into something more marketable....that could be used as a marketing vehicle like other sports have become like NASCAR, and Texas Hold-Em.
The same thing is being done with 'Two Shot Shoot Out' - this game brings out the best shot-making, safety play, strategic decisions, touch shots, long bank shots, long cut shots, shots off the rail with power/finesse, etc......and the best player will win over the course of time by wearing their opponent down using the shots I just mentioned. The "roll outs" are also very strategic and sometimes the player will reposition one, two, or three other balls on their roll out....and for good reasons that may not be apparent until two or three shots later.
One Foul ball-in-hand is another story. The shots are mostly random because the players can't place the first shot to set up the best situation available on the table....this is what is done every time when a champion player rolls out....we know where that shot is and what all the percentages are to make it or get safe...or a combination of both at the same time......every ball on the table is involved in this formula and it's very complex, however after many years of playing our minds start to show us the correct shots and why.
The absolute best way to play "Shoot Out' is to require a "roll out" on the first shot and I will explain exactly why in the near future. Many of the greatest point can't be explained in writing effectively, they most be demonstrated and explained at the pool table......you can either believe that or not, I would recommend you keep an open mind and at least give me the benefit of the doubt.
My background consisted of playing this game for millions of dollars over the course of 17 years, and we won over $300,000 a year, three straight years and no one could win playing this particular game.... we played everyone that would gamble. I'm not "bragging," these are just the facts and many of my road partners can back these statements up including "Strong Arm John" who is considered one of the best "Road Men" in history.
I would certainly vote for him, as well as Weldon Rogers, Buddy Hall, Vernon Elliot, Omaha John, Allen Hopkins, Nick Varner, Doug Smith, "Country Calvin", Reid Pierce, "Mike Johnson", Dalton Leong, and Rusty Bandimiere....all of these players were extremely advanced at 'Two Shot Shoot Out'....we traveled, played, or was in at various times with all of them playing for exorbitant amounts of "chips".
My agenda for promoting this game is simple - It's vastly better than the current game being played and no one finds the current game mentally stimulating. 'Two Shot Shoot Out' is more like poker where you can "DARE" you opponent to "Shoot or Pass" and that's what makes it so much more interesting.....
No matter what, the people that truly want Pocket Billiards to be in the public spotlight again will support the most entertaining game.....this should not be negotiable, I understand everyone's right to an opinion, but this is a "no brainer". 'The Game is the Teacher'
I want them to be entertaining in the process.......this is the theme
The best players should win in the long run, why would I want to change that. Whether I'm playing or promoting, I want the best players to win, however, I want them to be entertaining in the process.......this is the theme behind everything I say and suggest.
These two games (bank pool and one pocket) aren't marketable, they are enjoyable to play, however, they lack the components to promote as being entertaining to viewers....the strategy is there, but not obvious, the shot making is good at times, but for the most part it's a lot of "do nothing" shots....this is just the nature of the games.
I understand your love for these games and I hope you can still play them into your 90s......my interests are only motivated by what's best in the interest of the game's popularity to the general public.
Changes must be made and someone is going to have to do what's necessary without any concern about "pleasing everyone".....this in the real world is simply not possible, you can't please people and make changes, this has been proven time and time again throughout history. 'The Game is the Teacher'
I have NO problem with that philosophy !..However, to achieve that goal, there are only two (2) commonly played games, that almost completely eliminate, (or at least minimize) the "luck factor"!.."ONE POCKET" or "BANK POOL" !..But first, you need to admit that to yourself !..
Pool, like all games involving 'round balls' will always inherently contain an element of 'luck' !..The best player(s) will STILL win in the long run !..You can't change that ! :wink:
The best players should win in the long run, why would I want to change that. Whether I'm playing or promoting, I want the best players to win, however, I want them to be entertaining in the process.......this is the theme behind everything I say and suggest.
These two games (bank pool and one pocket) aren't marketable, they are enjoyable to play, however, they lack the components to promote as being entertaining to viewers....the strategy is there, but not obvious, the shot making is good at times, but for the most part it's a lot of "do nothing" shots....this is just the nature of the games.
I understand your love for these games and I hope you can still play them into your 90s......my interests are only motivated by what's best in the interest of the game's popularity to the general public.
Changes must be made and someone is going to have to do what's necessary without any concern about "pleasing everyone".....this in the real world is simply not possible, you can't please people and make changes, this has been proven time and time again throughout history. 'The Game is the Teacher'
You are pretty consistent at throwing out games that you know won't be taken up to try and save face. You know I can't travel, or play much anymore. Even with that, if you want to play, come on up here, we can play at my house on my bar table, and I will take the break and give you the 5 ball. Being on disability, I will put up a whopping 200. That would hurt me if I were to go blind and lose. If you think that's not much $$, then put up an equiv-able amount of your funds to make it an even "hurt" to both sides.
Neil, how can I remind you of the rules that will make you understand that your behavior is unacceptable and is getting you in trouble?
If you continue to harass CJ, I will act.
Better watch out everybody that is calling out CJ no matter how you feel his game might be off from 20 years ago.
I believe that CJ is the ultimate Hustler (not many left either). He is just waiting for one of you rich big talkers to get himself trapped and can't weasel out of a big bet.
You think that someone that can play the ghost one pocket and make 29 balls in a row is some kind of has-been? Step right up and play him for big money. Or just sit back and say "such and such a player can beat you"! Ha!
I would love to watch CJ play in a big money match of 2 shot pushout!
Do it for the game!
--Jeff
I believe that CJ is the ultimate Hustler (not many left either). He is just waiting for one of you rich big talkers to get himself trapped and can't weasel out of a big bet.
You think that someone that can play the ghost one pocket and make 29 balls in a row is some kind of has-been? Step right up and play him for big money. Or just sit back and say "such and such a player can beat you"! Ha!
I would love to watch CJ play in a big money match of 2 shot pushout!
Do it for the game!
--Jeff
I'm not harassing him, only pointing out the truth.
I agree with the TE CJ but you have compared the game to one pocket and how much more strategic it was. One pocket you will have moves every game ,2 shot every once in awhile.
(and lets not forget the tough shot's per game)
Anthony
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It would be nice if a game with CJ and one of the top players would come about.(maybe tar could do it).
CJ is good for pool and if you agree with him or not, you can see it in him.
Anthony
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