Pro's don't need that fancy $5000 crap to do well
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Once you are over 5-600 hundred dollars you are pretty much going to be paying for artwork anyway. I think it is really about what you like and what you are used to playing with. I rarely change my cue unless I feel that a new cue plays better or looks nicer. It always takes me 1-2 months to hit with a new cue the way I did with the previous because though it may not be much, I do notice a little of a drop in my game until I feel comfortable with the new one. I do notice a big difference when playing with a piece of crap vs. one of my customs. I believe that it should not be a matter of the cue but rather the player. Knowing that the cue plays different does tend to affect the player to a degree.
Once you are over 5-600 hundred dollars you are pretty much going to be paying for artwork anyway. I think it is really about what you like and what you are used to playing with. I rarely change my cue unless I feel that a new cue plays better or looks nicer. It always takes me 1-2 months to hit with a new cue the way I did with the previous because though it may not be much, I do notice a little of a drop in my game until I feel comfortable with the new one. I do notice a big difference when playing with a piece of crap vs. one of my customs. I believe that it should not be a matter of the cue but rather the player. Knowing that the cue plays different does tend to affect the player to a degree.
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just wondering what kind of car you drive? the thing is, as with anything, its pride of ownership. you could drive a 1970 pinto station wagon, but you probably dont. it will get you from point a to point b, just like a house cue or 3k cue.8-Ball Player said:
I believe once you go to a customcue 1000.00 and up you get what you pay for A basic sering will cost 2700.00 a szamboti 3000 a hercek 2600 a manzino2200 a black 1700 a scruggs 1500 ect. because these guys know how to select good shaft wood,taper them properly,balance them, and make shure they play well and it demands more money!they can suit a cue to you!a overseas mass produced cue you get what you get , second hand unseasoned wood. balance point where ever! I have played with alot of cues and believe me you truly get what you pay for6 Pocket Mike said:
that is a $50,000.00 ginacue and it hits like a champ! we specialize in custom high end cues, and you get what you pay for under 1500.00 check out some others www.cornerstonecustomcues.com Its hard to call these crap!sky.. said:
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I think if you try out a large number of cheap cues, you can probably find one that will play 95% as good as any custom cue. The problem is, quality control on low end cues is bad so you might get a good one, or you might get a complete piece of crap. Custom cuemakers are a lot more consistent and you know you're at least getting quality materials.
Buying from a custom builder usually means you'll at least have a very good cue, if not a great one or one that fits you right.
Guys like Don Willis were so much better than 99% of their opponents that it just didn't matter what cue he used. Its like Efren giving up a ball or two ball in one pocket- you're still going to lose.
If I knew how to start a poll here, I might ask if people think a Predator shaft on almost any butt makes more of a difference than anything cuemakers do after the $500 level of plain custom cues. Other than guys who splice butts differently, what can cuemakers do to the basic functionality of cue that makes that great of a difference?
Jason Miller uses a Dufferin sneaky pete butt with a Predator shaft and does pretty well.
Buying from a custom builder usually means you'll at least have a very good cue, if not a great one or one that fits you right.
Guys like Don Willis were so much better than 99% of their opponents that it just didn't matter what cue he used. Its like Efren giving up a ball or two ball in one pocket- you're still going to lose.
If I knew how to start a poll here, I might ask if people think a Predator shaft on almost any butt makes more of a difference than anything cuemakers do after the $500 level of plain custom cues. Other than guys who splice butts differently, what can cuemakers do to the basic functionality of cue that makes that great of a difference?
Jason Miller uses a Dufferin sneaky pete butt with a Predator shaft and does pretty well.
txplshrk said:I would tell them I want the most reliable exotic thing they have!
Then I would probably sell it!!!! LOL
Sounds like a few pool players I know.
Since you brought up Don Willis, Jay, did you happen to read George Rood's interview on Onepocket.org where he says he gambled with Willis a couple of times and took his money?
It doesn't seem like your hear George's name enough if he was taking cash from guys like Willis or Wimpy... only Harold Worst seems to get that kind of respect.
It doesn't seem like your hear George's name enough if he was taking cash from guys like Willis or Wimpy... only Harold Worst seems to get that kind of respect.
bud green said:
George didn't travel much, as he had other interests besides pool. Lassiter himself said that George Rood was the best 9-Ball player he ever played.
Damn, if Luther said that the guy must be one of the greatest unknown legends of all time.
Wasn't it Luther who said that if anyone in the world had to shoot a shot for his life, meaning your dead if your pick misses, he wanted Willis to do it, though? Maybe Don was more of a pure high $$ gambler, one shot for it all type of player than George. Is there even a short clip of either guy playing that has EVER been recorded?
My top 5 nine ballers of all time list might be getting changed I guess...Luther, Willis, Buddy, Earl, and now George? Where do Worst and guys like Sigel, Archer, Varner (absolutely ridiculous amount of wins in the late 80's, early 90's),etc... fit in now?
Wasn't it Luther who said that if anyone in the world had to shoot a shot for his life, meaning your dead if your pick misses, he wanted Willis to do it, though? Maybe Don was more of a pure high $$ gambler, one shot for it all type of player than George. Is there even a short clip of either guy playing that has EVER been recorded?
My top 5 nine ballers of all time list might be getting changed I guess...Luther, Willis, Buddy, Earl, and now George? Where do Worst and guys like Sigel, Archer, Varner (absolutely ridiculous amount of wins in the late 80's, early 90's),etc... fit in now?
cigardave said:
Truer words were never spoken, Dave! Oh, and entry fees...gots to have money for the entry fees!!...Lol.
I started out with my first custom costing me $660 with two shafts. From there, I continued to trade my way up, and got to where I could eventually order a $2500 cue. The cue was beautiful, and I was working a fairly decent job....and shot like crap with it!! Then I lost my job, needed to deal with some outstanding obligations, and had to part with that cue. I had just enough money left to purchase a fancy sneaky pete......the cue was a true joy to hit with, and I began to improve and win. I recently picked up an even plainer cue, and am having THE time of my life!!! I am taking players I could have only dreamed of taking just 6 months ago...and playing the best pool I have ever played! Of course, it's not just the cue, it's a lot of work on the game itself.
I watched a World Cup match today on FSN, and no one had a 'fancy' cue...most all were a plain jane with a wrap. The ladies are tending towards more expensive cues these days, save Allison. I couldn't be happier with my plain cue...best darn cue I have ever played with.
Lisa
ridewiththewind said:Truer words were never spoken, Dave! Oh, and entry fees...gots to have money for the entry fees!!...Lol.
I started out with my first custom costing me $660 with two shafts. From there, I continued to trade my way up, and got to where I could eventually order a $2500 cue. The cue was beautiful, and I was working a fairly decent job....and shot like crap with it!! Then I lost my job, needed to deal with some outstanding obligations, and had to part with that cue. I had just enough money left to purchase a fancy sneaky pete......the cue was a true joy to hit with, and I began to improve and win. I recently picked up an even plainer cue, and am having THE time of my life!!! I am taking players I could have only dreamed of taking just 6 months ago...and playing the best pool I have ever played! Of course, it's not just the cue, it's a lot of work on the game itself.
I watched a World Cup match today on FSN, and no one had a 'fancy' cue...most all were a plain jane with a wrap. The ladies are tending towards more expensive cues these days, save Allison. I couldn't be happier with my plain cue...best darn cue I have ever played with.
Lisa
Great to see you are playing well!!! I love sneaky petes and I think they look great. What kind is it?
Anyway, I think I may come off to strong in this post... What do you guys think.
I have a $12,000 Ivory Scepter cue on my site that I built. So to answer your question. My $995 cue will play every bit as good. No question about it.Snorks said:Does a $5000 cue perform better then a $1000 cue is the more important question. I think at a certain price range, the cue's price is correlated to the amount of inlays and hours used to create it... workmanship if you will. If the cue was made with no inlays etc, it would perform just as well. You only need to look at Efren's Judd JT-1 cue. It is the lowest cue in Judd's line but he has won with it more then I would a $50,000 cue
Chris
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cueman said:
Holy crap!! You have a 12k cue that you made? Did it cost that much to make? I would really like to see it.
i think its impossible to have a cue cost less than $300 that plays 100%, in other words $300 will get you a cue that plays good enough that you wont lose speed on your game.
there i s a counter point, I drilled Jay Helfert at his best game banks(one game) using a Barry Szam and he was using a $400 cue, now I'm sure if we switched cues he would have beat me, I pitched a shut out, it was great, I'll never beat him again because he is a better player but until he beats me, I'll give the credit to the cue Jay is a better player than me.
there i s a counter point, I drilled Jay Helfert at his best game banks(one game) using a Barry Szam and he was using a $400 cue, now I'm sure if we switched cues he would have beat me, I pitched a shut out, it was great, I'll never beat him again because he is a better player but until he beats me, I'll give the credit to the cue
Jay is a better player than me.