Pros need to know the rules

briankenobi

briankenobi

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I played in the derby city classic 9 ball for the 7th year last week and seen something that has been an issue, pros not knowing the rules. Anyone that saw the match between Alex Pagulayan and Mike Dechaine knows what I am talking about. Derby City 9 ball is texas express rules which means no jump cues. You have have to jump with your playing cue, not your break cue. You can not change the configuartion of your playing cue either. (ie jump with your player shaft). Mike was going to switch to his break cue to jump a ball. Kenny told he he couldn't and Mike acted as if he didn't know why. He kicked instead and left Alex a shot. Mike pulled an Earl and slammed the butt of his cue down and watched Alex get out. While Alex was racking, Mike seemed to argue/whine/complain to Kenny about the rule. He is the issue. I have been to 5 player meetings in the 7 year I went and you don't see any pros there. I saw Brumback there one year which was nice to see. The rules are on the website and the players meeting is there for players to ask questions on situations. If you are playing one pocket during the meeting, ok you get a pass. However, it gets old when everyone year you have a pro or two that don't know the rules and the compalin about it. Know the rules and go to a players meeting some time.
 
briankenobi said:
I played in the derby city classic 9 ball for the 7th year last week and seen something that has been an issue, pros not knowing the rules. Anyone that saw the match between Alex Pagulayan and Mike Dechaine knows what I am talking about. Derby City 9 ball is texas express rules which means no jump cues. You have have to jump with your playing cue, not your break cue. You can not change the configuartion of your playing cue either. (ie jump with your player shaft). Mike was going to switch to his break cue to jump a ball. Kenny told he he couldn't and Mike acted as if he didn't know why. He kicked instead and left Alex a shot. Mike pulled an Earl and slammed the butt of his cue down and watched Alex get out. While Alex was racking, Mike seemed to argue/whine/complain to Kenny about the rule. He is the issue. I have been to 5 player meetings in the 7 year I went and you don't see any pros there. I saw Brumback there one year which was nice to see. The rules are on the website and the players meeting is there for players to ask questions on situations. If you are playing one pocket during the meeting, ok you get a pass. However, it gets old when everyone year you have a pro or two that don't know the rules and the compalin about it. Know the rules and go to a players meeting some time.
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The original Texas Express Rules in the 90's did allow jump cues if the house allow jumping. I could be wrong but I thing I'm right, randyg can explain more.
 
Ignorance is never an excuse...do you know if Mike missed the players' meeting or if the meeting's host spoke loudly, clearly and did not miss any important points?

briankenobi said:
I played in the derby city classic 9 ball for the 7th year last week and seen something that has been an issue, pros not knowing the rules. Anyone that saw the match between Alex Pagulayan and Mike Dechaine knows what I am talking about. Derby City 9 ball is texas express rules which means no jump cues. You have have to jump with your playing cue, not your break cue. You can not change the configuartion of your playing cue either. (ie jump with your player shaft). Mike was going to switch to his break cue to jump a ball. Kenny told he he couldn't and Mike acted as if he didn't know why. He kicked instead and left Alex a shot. Mike pulled an Earl and slammed the butt of his cue down and watched Alex get out. While Alex was racking, Mike seemed to argue/whine/complain to Kenny about the rule. He is the issue. I have been to 5 player meetings in the 7 year I went and you don't see any pros there. I saw Brumback there one year which was nice to see. The rules are on the website and the players meeting is there for players to ask questions on situations. If you are playing one pocket during the meeting, ok you get a pass. However, it gets old when everyone year you have a pro or two that don't know the rules and the compalin about it. Know the rules and go to a players meeting some time.
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Rules

If there were ONE set of rules that everyone played by I would agree but it seems every tournament you go to there are "modifications" so you never know what the rules are in place that day.
It may be a pain but POST at least one set of rules to help take some of the questions away.....I say post because I have seen questions to refs who say "hold on let me verify the rule" we played different at such and such last week.
JMHO
 
Ruled open to everyone! There s not a single excuse for this neither.

And furthermore: playing pool is his job, hm?


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It does say jump cues are prohibited on the site. And I agree it's the player's job to know each tournament's rules. But I'd consider that a 'tournament-specific rule', not "Texas Express".

This is the same problem we run into with all other pool rules and standards: without a governing body there's no rock-solid official set of Texas Express rules. But in any case I think Texas Express was invented before jump cues (at least the modern short ones) were invented.

Bob Jewett said it best in another thread:

It's now essentially the same as the World Standardized Rules, which are available on-line at www.wpa-pool.com or more specifically at http://www.wpa-pool.com/index.asp?co...les_tournament

Usually when people say "Texas Express" they mean "push after the break, all balls stay down, cue ball fouls only, ball-in-hand anywhere on fouls, slop counts, and three fouls for loss of game." Most TDs cover the other rules (like jump cues) on their own.
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Race2-9 said:
If there were ONE set of rules that everyone played by I would agree but it seems every tournament you go to there are "modifications" so you never know what the rules are in place that day.
It may be a pain but POST at least one set of rules to help take some of the questions away.....I say post because I have seen questions to refs who say "hold on let me verify the rule" we played different at such and such last week.
JMHO
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Agreed. It's not difficult or expensive to make a a few big signs and just stick them on walls or tables around the venue. This would stop squabbles before they start and save time.
 
Randy Gottlicker, Robin Adair, and John McChesney (RIP) were the original Texas Express and set the rules for the Texas Express Tour. I agree every tournament changes the rules but call them Texas Express Rules. These were the rules in the 90's, but as of late they get added to or changed to suite the tournament director.

We do need to standardize the rules! Pro's and amateurs.
 
Black-Balled said:
Ignorance is never an excuse...do you know if Mike missed the players' meeting or if the meeting's host spoke loudly, clearly and did not miss any important points?
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I was watching the one pocket stream online during the players meeting. Ken announced it over the PA system and it was loud enough that you could hear it pretty clear on the stream, the commentators were even talking about how loud it was. If you were in the building, you heard it.
 
I think it is more of a tournement rule now that I think about it. But if playing pool is your job, (i wish it was mine) then it isn't very hard for you to know the rules you are playing by. Many people play in different pool leagues with different rules and know what the rules are for each league. It isn't that hard. I wasn't at this years meeting since I know the rules, but since Mike was questioning and a previous comment said the announcment was loud enough, he didn't go. This is not a knock on Mike personally, but he is the latest example of pros not knowing the rules at DCC
 
briankenobi said:
I think it is more of a tournement rule now that I think about it. But if playing pool is your job, (i wish it was mine) then it isn't very hard for you to know the rules you are playing by. Many people play in different pool leagues with different rules and know what the rules are for each league. It isn't that hard. I wasn't at this years meeting since I know the rules, but since Mike was questioning and a previous comment said the announcment was loud enough, he didn't go. This is not a knock on Mike personally, but he is the latest example of pros not knowing the rules at DCC
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You aren't wrong, but really...why choose to bust his giant head over it? He didn't know, but did abide.

Surely you do not claim to know all the laws that apply to you/ your life?
 
Black-Balled said:
You aren't wrong, but really...why choose to bust his giant head over it? He didn't know, but did abide.

Surely you do not claim to know all the laws that apply to you/ your life?
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I am not busting him just because it is him. He just happened to be the most recent example of pros not knowing rules at a tournement. For someone who does this for a living, it isn't a whole lot to ask. As far as your last sentence, with all due respect, it is irreleveant. All the laws that apply to you in life is no way a fair comparision to know the handful of rules at a tournement. You are comparing apples to oranges.
 
In Texas Express, jump cues are allowed.

Some TD's modify the rules.

It's the players job to know the rules.

randyg
 
The no jump cue rule has been in effect at Derby for awhile but the added twist this year was that you HAD to use your PLAYING cue.... In years past everyone used their break cues to jump if they had one...

I agree Mike should have known the rules but as far as I am aware that was the only change to the rules from last year, was a clarification and could have easily been missed... I think the wording last year was no jump cues playing cues only but they allowed a player to use a break cue if it was full sized......

Chris
 
briankenobi said:
I am not busting him just because it is him. He just happened to be the most recent example of pros not knowing rules at a tournement. For someone who does this for a living, it isn't a whole lot to ask. As far as your last sentence, with all due respect, it is irreleveant. All the laws that apply to you in life is no way a fair comparision to know the handful of rules at a tournement. You are comparing apples to oranges.
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well said...thanks for the dialogue.

i still think it is belivbele that one could fall into a gap and miss a point during the td's direction.

or maybe mike figured it was only wriong if he got caught...?
 
Black-Balled said:
You aren't wrong, but really...why choose to bust his giant head over it? He didn't know, but did abide.

Surely you do not claim to know all the laws that apply to you/ your life?
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Nope, but as I was told when I was a kid "Ignorance of the law is no excuse"
 
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