Psychologist Says

very good post.............


wow. how true this is. THIS IS A BIG PART OF LEARNING TO WIN.

I HEARD A PLAYER,TONY ZIERMAN TALKING ABOUT MYSELF. THIS WAS IN THE 90'S AND I HAD JUST WON MY 3RD CASINO TOURNY IN 2 MONTHS.

HE SAID TO A GUY , I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW HE WINS ALL THESE TOURNAMENTS. HE DOESN'T SHOOT MUCH BETTER THAN ANYBODY ELSE.
AT THAT MOMENT I STARTED THINKING.

I KNEW SOMETHING THAT HE DIDN'T KNOW AND DIDN'T UNDERSTAND.

I KNEW HOW TO WIN. THESE ARTICLES SAY IT ALL HUGE WISDOM

GOOD FIND AND GOOD JOB.........THANKS
 
Great articles indeed...I'm printing them out, will pass them on to my "honorary nephew". Could very well be that he's being too cerebral as he plays. He's a bright guy, he'll figure it out! :D
 
I do believe all, except the political correct parts about iq's. I'm a fast player and if i play at a slower speed i will always play bad=to much thinking! I know someone is thinking, well, always play fast, but lack of confidence,don't feel good,not confident having the table speed down will cause one to slow down. I did notice long ago that many tournaments were given to tiger by top players dogging it against him.
 
a huge part of it

wow. how true this is. THIS IS A BIG PART OF LEARNING TO WIN.

I HEARD A PLAYER,TONY ZIERMAN TALKING ABOUT MYSELF. THIS WAS IN THE 90'S AND I HAD JUST WON MY 3RD CASINO TOURNY IN 2 MONTHS.

HE SAID TO A GUY , I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW HE WINS ALL THESE TOURNAMENTS. HE DOESN'T SHOOT MUCH BETTER THAN ANYBODY ELSE.
AT THAT MOMENT I STARTED THINKING.

I KNEW SOMETHING THAT HE DIDN'T KNOW AND DIDN'T UNDERSTAND.

I KNEW HOW TO WIN. THESE ARTICLES SAY IT ALL HUGE WISDOM

GOOD FIND AND GOOD JOB.........THANKS

I haven't read the articles yet but a huge part of being a successful competitor is knowing how to win. It is amazing how many people compete regularly, have decent skills, yet never win a single event! They find ways to lose. I have won events at everything I ever competed in simply because I know how to win. Everything else is just putting together the foundation and building blocks under the mental game.

Hu
 
left hanging halfway home



These are interesting articles. They suffer the usual problem of the expert looking at the champion from the outside though. Some assumptions are made that I believe are flat wrong from reading the thoughts of world champions and these articles imply that the "holistic cue" thought is the end of the rainbow. It is actually a crutch when the highest state can't be reached. They are also mistaken concerning the highest state that can be reached.

In short although these articles have great value for the beginning and intermediate player, even very good players, they don't give you the roadmap to be a champion in most activities. Ultimately champions are the ones with the knowledge of how to be a champion. Few champions are both willing and able to express themselves well enough to pass this knowledge on and putting somebody else in the middle to translate and explain what is going on inside the champion always muddies the waters and causes confusion.

Up to a certain very high level we can learn from coaches that were never champions, we can learn from medical experts, we can learn things of value from almost anyone. However the final 1% or less of information has to come from inside if you are very lucky or from a champion because nobody else truly has that information.

Hu
 
I've read all three articles twice now. (2nd and 3rd were from the same author, but the second was expanded a year later)

I strongly agree with Hu regarding the advice being from an expert looking at the champion from the outside, the difficulties any willing champions have in expressing themselves accurately, AND in the "holistic cue" idea.

In fact, I have noticed that when I am shooting an important shot, and carefully repeating to myself, "Smoooooooth," I jerk all over the place. Totally embarrassing. But when I imagine the whole feeling of the stroke, speed, and follow through needed, and have no words in my head, I can do it just like I felt it.
 
Think not

Thanks for the great post. I think we all basically know the
problem but using," I'd better not miss this shot or I'll look
like a fool,"
as a cue word is not in our best interest. I guess like anything, the cue words success depends on practice and will not be an immediate cure-all for we Dogs.

It helps too, to explain why we can play for the cash, but dog it in tournaments.
 
Well as some of you know I have been working on my writing skills, I caught a gear and knocked this out in about 10 minutes, how did I do?



I've always been morbidly fascinated by examples of choking. It doesn't matter if it's Jean Van de Velde in the 1999 British Open, or Shaq at the free-throw line, there's something unbelievably poignant and nightmarish about watching a world-class performer get sabotaged by their own brain. I can't bear to watch, and yet I can't look away.

Sian Beilock, a professor of psychology at the University of Chicago, has helped illuminate the anatomy of choking. She uses putting on the golf green as her experimental paradigm. When people are first learning how to putt, the activity can seem daunting. There are just so many things to think about. Golfers need to assess the lay of the green, calculate the line of the ball, and get a feel for the grain of the turf. Then they have to monitor their putting motion and make sure that they hit the ball with a smooth, straight stroke. For an inexperienced player, a golf putt can seem unbearably hard, like a life-sized trigonometry problem.

But the mental exertion pays off, at least at first. Beilock has shown that novice putters hit better shots when they consciously reflect on their actions. The more time they spend thinking about the putt, the more likely they are to hit the ball in the hole. By concentrating on their golf game, they can avoid beginner's mistakes.

A little experience, however, changes everything. After golfers have learned how to putt - once they have memorized the necessary movements - analyzing the stroke is a waste of time. Their brain already knows what to do. It automatically computes the slope of the green, settles on the best putting angle, and decides how hard to hit the ball. In fact, Beilock found that when experienced golfers are forced to think about their putts, they hit significantly worse shots. Beilock believes that this is what happens when people "choke". The part of their brain that monitors their behavior starts to interfere with decisions that are normally made without thinking. They begin second guessing the skills that they've honed through years of diligent practice. The worst part about choking is that it tends to be a downward spiral. The failures build upon each other, so that a stressful situation is made even more stressful.

So what should experienced golfers think about when hitting a putt? A new study offers some practical advice. Rather than think about the mechanical details of their swing, golfers should focus on general aspects of their intended movement, or what psychologists call a "holistic cue word". For instance, instead of contemplating things like the precise position of the wrist or elbow, they should focus on descriptive adjectives like "smooth" or "balanced". An experimental trial demonstrated that professional golfers who used these "holistic cues" did far better than golfers who consciously tried to control their stroke. The researchers conclude that expert performers should "adopt more global, higher-level cue words that collectively combine the mechanical process of their technique, which may act as either a schematic cue or a conscious distraction."
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.OK, I Lied here is who wrote it:March 11, 2008 1:48 PM, by Jonah Lehrer. It was the 2nd artricle from the OP. Man I wish I could write like this, I think like this and often speak like this, I also posted this incase someone didnt open the link, I thought it was worthy of posting here.


best eric :)
 
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Fatboy, cut and paste wherever you can. Never give credit to someone that you plagiarized.:grin-devilish: Always use spell check. If a thought comes to you about a subject type it out as fast as you can everything you know about that subject. Don't worry about spelling or punctuation, just get it out.
Come back to it after your done to edit and make corrections. Above all, don't be inhibited when it's just you and the computer. Just get it out. You'd be surprised how brilliant you write.
Gotta problem,PM me. Me rite good poop.
 
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Well as some of you know I have been working on my writing skills, I caught a gear and knocked this out in about 10 minutes, how did I do?


.OK, I Lied here is who wrote it:March 11, 2008 1:48 PM, by Jonah Lehrer. It was the 2nd artricle from the OP. Man I wish I could write like this, I think like this and often speak like this, I also posted this incase someone didnt open the link, I thought it was worthy of posting here.


best eric :)

You can't kid me Fatboy. I would recognize your writing anywhere so I know for a fact that you wrote this. You should be proud of yourself and not try to give the credit to someone else. ;)
 
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