Pull/Snag in Simonis 860

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dbrodsky

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I bought a GC IV about 3 weeks ago. I had new Simonis 860 installed. I inspected the table and cloth after install and everything was flawless. Since then I've play 2-6 hours a day, every day, which I imagine is pretty light use for new cloth. I really baby the table. I shoot absolutely no jumps or masse. I've vacuumed twice with a shark handheld with a soft horsehair attachment, and keep everything else clean. There has been nothing on the table except for a new set of Super Aramith Pros.

Anyhow, I just noticed I have 2 small pulls in the fabric. Below are pics of the larger of the 2. The dime is for scale, and the pull is on the right.

My question is, is this a common occurrence? What's the most likely cause? What do I do about it now to stop the damage, and prevent it from happening again?

Thanks for any ideas or insight!

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Sorry I don't have an answer to your question. I am posting because I also have GC IV. When I put new 860 on mine it wasn't long until I noticed a couple of pulls as well. They look identical to yours only mine are bigger.I take great care of my table.i'd like to know if it is a manufacturing defect ?
 
I have a couple just like that. My cloth is coming up on two years old, and has seen hundreds of hours of play by now, but the holes have been there for a while now. I do mess around with masse shots for fun, but the goobers in my 860 are out away from the rails where I practice those shots.

I tried to ask at the Simonis booth at SBE last year, but there was never anybody there when I passed by (numerous times over the four days). They also failed to answer two separate e-mails about the issue. I know Simonis is a big tournament sponsor, but I'm not getting a warm and fuzzy feeling about their customer service.

Anyway, I suspect they are flaws in the weave. They're not getting any bigger like I feared they might, so I've just learned to accept them.
 
Well, I just sent an email with pics to Simonis. Maybe I'll have better luck than you. I'm glad to hear they don't get worse, and as they are, they don't interfere with the ball roll at all. It's still a little alarming to see after only 3 weeks, especially as obsessive as I've been caring for the table.
 
Nicks in a ball or a tip not perfectly flush with the ferrule can cause the snags as well as a myriad of other things...

It's 100% not usually a defect in the cloth but it could have been nicked during the install and just the normal pulling of the cloth with your bridge hand could have caused it to show up finally....

Best thing to do is when you catch them early take some super glue and a wooden match and tamp the snag down so you don't end up with a hole... It doesn't take but a tiny dab to secure the frayed threads so less is more in this instance......
 
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It appears to be a shooters wound.
As stated in other posts it can be caused several ways.
The weave of simonis is very strong.
Call simonis if needed.

Chit happens'
 

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I have the same cloth and recently replaced also. These marks didn't just magically appear,,,they are from a mis hit cue ball. (Could be called a mis-cue.)

I noticed 1 mark,,EXACTLY like your photo,,on my table. This was a month after I had the cloth installed. I couldn't figure out how it happened at the time.

Then last week ,,I mis-cued,,,and wha la,,,there was a 2nd mark/tear in the cloth. Had I not seen it with my own eyes I wouldn't have believed it. I can tell you 100% that a mis-cue can cause this to happen.
 
Just a couple of schools for thought.
First off I cringe every time that I see someone flipping a coin on a table to decide who breaks. The Simonis cloth is stretched very tight on the table and the edge of a coin as it hits the cloth can slightly break the grain on the cloth... particularly quarters which are the most common. As time goes on any slight break in the weave will exaggerate itself because the cloth is pulled so tightly. I'm not say this is the case here mind you and I know that you are just using a dime as an example here for size.

Also be guarded of anyone wearing any jewelry beyond a simple smooth wedding band. A watchband or bracelet can pick a cloth a lot easier than you can imagine.

That being said, I am also quite OCD about how I clean and care for my cloth. No jumps or masse here either and I even use a break cloth because even using the best balls in the world you'll get burns from a power break. After only 3 weeks of use on your table, I feel your pain. You do need to seal it now so it doesn't get any worse... just make sure that however it is done that it is the right way and not the wrong way. Hopefully Simonis will have a quick solution... let us all know what they say.

I might would suspect a "pryck" caused by the installer that is now just starting to show itself, I've never seen an 860 cloth come out of the box with a single flaw. AZB won't let me use the word "*****".
 
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with 860 and its about 5 years old. i have some markes like that, i don't care how careful you are, if you drive your new perfect mercedes on the highway it will at some time get a small rock chips in the paint, if you takreyour new perfect rifle into the woods hunting ,it will at sometime get a small scratch in the finish. i just accept it as a part of life. it is almost impossible to keep anything new if it is being used.
 
I've called Simonis with issues like this, they suggest clipping the excess fibers with a convexed-shaped finger nail clippers. Don't clip into the cloth just the fibers sticking up. I have seen super glue repairs go wrong, very careful if you go this route the cloth tends to wick the glue.
 
I've seen cue tips that were not bevel cut slightly from the ferrule to the crown do this. If the Total outside of the tip is inline with the shaft, this leather area needs proper finish work. The sharp edge can cause cuts. Do you wear a ring?
 
For what it's worth, I have seen this type of damage happen in some of my slow motion videos. Miscues, jumps, and masse shots can all cause this exact type of damage, if the cue tip touches the cloth. I've never seen it without some part of the cue (usually the tip) touching the cloth. I have doubts about coin flipping causing anything like this but I can't be sure.
 
Thanks for the insight, everyone. I do wear a wedding band, which I'd have to cut to get off, and occasionally a watch. I'll stop wearing the watch. The coin was just for scale, and I'll make sure to never flip a coin on the cloth. I'll wait to hear from Simonis before I do anything, and will let you know what they say.
 
My Simonis 860 is just celebrating its first birthday. I have 4 or 5 spots that look like yours, probably from my miscues/draw shots. What surprises me even more is that amount of burn marks I have, maybe they show up more on tournament green cloth? I break from a piece of paper, I have Centennials same age as cloth and a brand new set of Aramith Tournament balls, and I vacuum and wipe cloth down frequently, and when not in use thew table is always covered, with multiple covers, new Brunswick pleather cover, old Brunswick clear cover, and a sheet of plastic over that. I am fine with replacing the felt in another year if need be but I think I will try the 860HR next time to hopefully reduce the burn marks.
 
SloMoHolic said:
For what it's worth, I have seen this type of damage happen in some of my slow motion videos. Miscues, jumps, and masse shots can all cause this exact type of damage, if the cue tip touches the cloth. I've never seen it without some part of the cue (usually the tip) touching the cloth. I have doubts about coin flipping causing anything like this but I can't be sure.
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Interesting. I took a look at the photos above (and re-read the thread title) and realized that these aren't holes like I originally thought, but are pulls in the fabric. I went down and gave the ones on my table a closer look and realized they weren't holes either, but small pulls as well. My wife just got home from work early because of the storm, so I told her what I had discovered. She said she already told me they were pulls and not holes. She should know, she used to manage a fabric store. But who listens to what wives have to say, really?

I can now see how a miscue could grab a thread and pull it up through the weave. After playing around a bit I found out that one of mine is pulled up enough to change the roll of a slow moving ball, so I want to do something about it. I already tried to massage the thread back into the weave with my fingernail like I've seen my wife do before with snags. Don't try this. It just made another one next to the one I was trying to fix. I'm gonna wait until more info from Simonis comes in before I end up with them all over the table.
 
Its gonna happen and you can't really stop it either.

I like the idea of the super glue and a match stick to hold it down.
 
Here's the response I received from Simonis.

"Hi Dave,
This looks like a snag, or a cut caused by jewelry, a sharp cue tip or Farrell. The tear will not “run”. Just carefully trim the fibers that are sticking up. Do not add anything such as a filler or glue into the hole.

It looks like you really care for your cloth well for the amount of play…

Please feel free to call me if you have any more questions."
 
I have found Simonis quality to be extremely inconsistent.
All the way from bad to superb.
Unfortunately you can't tell until after a few months of playing because they always look great when new.
 
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