You are correct, 1000%.
A 700 Fargo will bank better on any table with a stick off the wall than almost anybody in the poolroom.
Why?
Simple.
They know how to bank.
The stick or the tip doesn't have a clue on how to bank.
Purchased a different Shaft and tip to play on a Diamond Table vs. Brunswick Gold Crown
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A 700 Fargo will bank better on any table with a stick off the wall than almost anybody in the poolroom.
Why?
Simple.
They know how to bank.
The stick or the tip doesn't have a clue on how to bank.
Diamond tables seem to have a reputation for banking "short" according to several posts that I have read on AZ Billiards forum. However, I have an "early" Diamond Red Label 9 foot Diamond Professional table which I purchased from Diamond in 1995 and it actually banks correctly or "long" if anything. I think the reason is the rubber cushions that were used in my table. I had the table renovated with all new cushions and cloth (Simonis 860) in 2011 due to some cushions becoming dead or somewhat dead and the installer, Dave Christie from D&L Billiards in RI, who is very experienced, asked me if I wanted Artemis cushions or the same brand that came with the table (he said modern Diamonds used Artemis cushions). I told him that I preferred the original brand (Diamond I think) because of the slow rebound action and the banking accuracy. Besides that - they were less expensive than Artemis. The table still plays like new now.
Lots of folks out here are happy you discovered this, especially those that make money on equipment.
You'll soon discover that if you shoot on either a Diamond or Gold Crown, if it's within 10' of the
shithouse or the front door, you'll need a completely different setup.
Same as if you play early mornings vs nights, completely different needs. Long time before I realized it, and at one time about 6 or 7 years ago I had 25 cues all at once.
I've come to my senses and narrowed it down to 5 cues and 7 shafts now. I recently sold my Schmelke true sneaky only to replace it with a Dzuricky Fancy sneaky I bought from a member here. My long term hopes are to haul around my 3x5 case with my Rick Howard, Pechauer Naked Black Ice Break, (ain't needed to use it yet), and newly acquired DZ cue.
The game we all love so much needs more folks like you and I to realize this and start getting the right equipment for changing conditions.
We each only truly need 3 cues with a pair of shafts each for play and maybe a couple extra cues for collecting. IMO
PS ~ of course chalk, tips, ferrules and scuffers is another topic for another day. Play well and cheers doc !!!
IIRC the real early Pro's used Championship rubber. And most of the Red label tables did/do bank short. Not as much as some carry on about but its real. They changed the sub-rail angle in 2010 when the Blues came out.
Ummm, no. Dave is not wasting his time on such nonsense. you are way overthinking this and that's the problem. Just go shoot pool. I mean, I played in a league 3 nights a week. One night on Valley, one night on Diamond bar box, and one night on 9 foot GC. It just didn't matter. Unless you really can't remember you're on a Valley versus a GC, then you would have other problems to worry about.
he should have a different tip and shaft combo per each type of shot while hes at it.
stop shot shaft
draw shaft
follow shaft
all with a different tip and hardness
had a team mate forget which ball to shoot first in 9 ball twice in the same rack,
i stopped playing apa 9ball this week btw lmao
Dam* Black Balled, you my man.
newer players need to experiment to find out things and to see what works for them. thats learning.
hats off to him for bringing this here. i hope he finds that the stick or tip do nothing to change those things. but it gives him confidence and thats what you need to improve. when he does he will find his way.
and to the op good luck and watch what you see on here. one top player believes the earth is flat.
others have these weird useless systems to aim. but work for them.
most think changing to newer type cues make them play better. nope just gives them more confidence and that makes them play better.
hats off to him for bringing this here. i hope he finds that the stick or tip do nothing to change those things. but it gives him confidence and thats what you need to improve. when he does he will find his way.
and to the op good luck and watch what you see on here. one top player believes the earth is flat.
others have these weird useless systems to aim. but work for them.
most think changing to newer type cues make them play better. nope just gives them more confidence and that makes them play better.
I once got so hyped up almost completing a run out to win a set that I lined up behind the 9 ball and fired the cue Ball in the pocket. It was a tough shot too!
Diamond tables do tend to kick and bank shorter than most other brands in similar condition, especially the Red-label and 7' Diamonds. For more info, see:
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