Push out after opponent scratch on break?
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yup.
it was even more common before express rules, when you only got ball behind the line after a scratch.
I've had someone in a ring game make me shoot again after a scratch, giving me BIH. I had to attempt a bank because of how the balls were laid out.
it was even more common before express rules, when you only got ball behind the line after a scratch.
I've had someone in a ring game make me shoot again after a scratch, giving me BIH. I had to attempt a bank because of how the balls were laid out.
No.Sprite said:
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The incoming player after the break may push out whenever it is his turn, no matter what happened the turn before.
It seems this was discussed in a thread about a month ago...
(Time permitting - Might have to include a link to that thread)
From my recollection, they said that a push out could not be performed after a break foul. The basic line of thought was, what's the point of pushing out?
Which makes some sense... Although, personally I'd prefer to provide the power of choice to the fouling player's opponent. With the line of thought that, if it's an unwise choice, then you don't ever have to utilize it.
Considering the bigger picture for a moment: If player A fouls on the break. Even if player B wants to push out (but is not permitted by rule), then player B should still be able to commit an intentional foul and still have the chance to benefit by the 3 foul rule (if in effect).
(Time permitting - Might have to include a link to that thread)
From my recollection, they said that a push out could not be performed after a break foul. The basic line of thought was, what's the point of pushing out?
Which makes some sense... Although, personally I'd prefer to provide the power of choice to the fouling player's opponent. With the line of thought that, if it's an unwise choice, then you don't ever have to utilize it.
Considering the bigger picture for a moment: If player A fouls on the break. Even if player B wants to push out (but is not permitted by rule), then player B should still be able to commit an intentional foul and still have the chance to benefit by the 3 foul rule (if in effect).
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Choose your rules
Choose the rules you like :
BCA
5.6 PUSH OUT
The player who shoots the shot immediately after a legal break may play a push out in an attempt to move the cue ball into a better position for the option that follows. On a push out, the cue ball is not required to con-tact any object ball nor any rail, but all other foul rules still apply. The player must announce the intention of playing a push out before the shot, or the shot is considered to be a normal shot. Any ball pocketed on a push out does not count and remains pocketed except the 9-ball. Following a legal push out, the incoming player is permitted to shoot from that position or to pass the shot back to the player who pushed out. A push out is not considered to be a foul as long as no rule (except rules 5.8 and 5.9) is violated. An illegal push out is penalized according to the type of foul committed. After a player scratches on the break shot, the incoming player cannot play a push out.
VNEA:
D2. If the cue ball is pocketed or driven off the table, or the requirements of the
opening break are not met, it is a foul, and the incoming player has cue ball
in hand anywhere on the table.
F. PUSH OUT. The player who shoots the shot immediately after a legal breakmay play a push out in an attempt to move the cue ball into a better position for
the option that follows. On a push out, the cue ball is not required to contact any
object ball nor any rail, but all other foul rules still apply. The player must
announce his intention of playing a push out before the shot, or the shot is considered
to be a normal shot. Any ball pocketed on a push out does not count and
remains pocketed, except for the nine ball. Following a legal push out, the incoming
player is permitted to shoot from that position or to pass the shot back to the
player who pushed out. A push out is not considered to be a foul as long as no
rule is violated. An illegal push out is penalized according to the type of foul
committed.
APA : Push outs are apparently not allowed (That's what I read... never played by those rules before)
And of course the rules Patrick posted.
Seems to be an overwhelming no.
Choose the rules you like :
BCA
5.6 PUSH OUT
The player who shoots the shot immediately after a legal break may play a push out in an attempt to move the cue ball into a better position for the option that follows. On a push out, the cue ball is not required to con-tact any object ball nor any rail, but all other foul rules still apply. The player must announce the intention of playing a push out before the shot, or the shot is considered to be a normal shot. Any ball pocketed on a push out does not count and remains pocketed except the 9-ball. Following a legal push out, the incoming player is permitted to shoot from that position or to pass the shot back to the player who pushed out. A push out is not considered to be a foul as long as no rule (except rules 5.8 and 5.9) is violated. An illegal push out is penalized according to the type of foul committed. After a player scratches on the break shot, the incoming player cannot play a push out.
VNEA:
D2. If the cue ball is pocketed or driven off the table, or the requirements of the
opening break are not met, it is a foul, and the incoming player has cue ball
in hand anywhere on the table.
F. PUSH OUT. The player who shoots the shot immediately after a legal breakmay play a push out in an attempt to move the cue ball into a better position for
the option that follows. On a push out, the cue ball is not required to contact any
object ball nor any rail, but all other foul rules still apply. The player must
announce his intention of playing a push out before the shot, or the shot is considered
to be a normal shot. Any ball pocketed on a push out does not count and
remains pocketed, except for the nine ball. Following a legal push out, the incoming
player is permitted to shoot from that position or to pass the shot back to the
player who pushed out. A push out is not considered to be a foul as long as no
rule is violated. An illegal push out is penalized according to the type of foul
committed.
APA : Push outs are apparently not allowed (That's what I read... never played by those rules before)
And of course the rules Patrick posted.
Seems to be an overwhelming no.
Herkybird said:Choose the rules you like :
BCA
5.6 PUSH OUT
The player who shoots the shot immediately after a legal break may play a push out in an attempt to move the cue ball into a better position for the option that follows. On a push out, the cue ball is not required to con-tact any object ball nor any rail, but all other foul rules still apply. The player must announce the intention of playing a push out before the shot, or the shot is considered to be a normal shot. Any ball pocketed on a push out does not count and remains pocketed except the 9-ball. Following a legal push out, the incoming player is permitted to shoot from that position or to pass the shot back to the player who pushed out. A push out is not considered to be a foul as long as no rule (except rules 5.8 and 5.9) is violated. An illegal push out is penalized according to the type of foul committed. After a player scratches on the break shot, the incoming player cannot play a push out.
VNEA:
D2. If the cue ball is pocketed or driven off the table, or the requirements of the
opening break are not met, it is a foul, and the incoming player has cue ball
in hand anywhere on the table.
F. PUSH OUT. The player who shoots the shot immediately after a legal breakmay play a push out in an attempt to move the cue ball into a better position for
the option that follows. On a push out, the cue ball is not required to contact any
object ball nor any rail, but all other foul rules still apply. The player must
announce his intention of playing a push out before the shot, or the shot is considered
to be a normal shot. Any ball pocketed on a push out does not count and
remains pocketed, except for the nine ball. Following a legal push out, the incoming
player is permitted to shoot from that position or to pass the shot back to the
player who pushed out. A push out is not considered to be a foul as long as no
rule is violated. An illegal push out is penalized according to the type of foul
committed.
APA : Push outs are apparently not allowed (That's what I read... never played by those rules before)
And of course the rules Patrick posted.
Seems to be an overwhelming no.
Well, it looks like you are right. You can't push out after a scratch on the break, which further makes 9ball the luckiest game on the planet. What if the 1 and 2 are frozen, making the shot and safety nearly impossible?
Where else are you rewarded for fouling, except for 9ball? One more reason for everyone to play 8ball, 14:1, or 1 pocket.
Take an intentional foul. Your opponent is on the first foul.the420trooper said:
I've yet to see anyone try a "push out" with BIH. I ask the same question, WHY?
