Push out?

[brokenarrowjbe]

Someone explain push out to me. Today I was playing, the player broke. Had a shot at the 1, but called push out and shot the 9 ball in, as it was hanging in the corner pocket and they could not have run to it. WTF, I still won but I thought a push required no rail, no ball contact. I have not been playing long since I started back up. And they apparently told the tournament director(director may be overstating running the 12 man tournament) and not me, so I thought it was ball in hand. I understood I was to be informed before a push was played. So, what are the requirements? ANd the local rules seem to change with who is running the tournament. Thx, JOhn

 

[DogsPlayingPool]

From the WPA rules:

2.4 Second Shot of the Rack – Push Out
If no foul is committed on the break shot, the shooter may choose to play a “push out” as his shot. He must make his intention known to the referee, and then rules 6.2 Wrong Ball First and 6.3 No Rail after Contact are suspended for the shot. If no foul is committed on a push out, the other player chooses who will shoot next.

Essentially a push out is allowed only on the shot immediately following the break. It is most often used if the player has no shot or good safety to play but a player is always allowed to call a push-out if he chooses.

The shot he took was legal, you can use a push out to sink a ball or tie balls up.

In a push out you do not HAVE to contact a rail or another ball, but you can.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Someone explain push out to me. Today I was playing, the player broke. Had a shot at the 1, but called push out and shot the 9 ball in, as it was hanging in the corner pocket and they could not have run to it. WTF, I still won but I thought a push required no rail, no ball contact. I have not been playing long since I started back up. And they apparently told the tournament director(director may be overstating running the 12 man tournament) and not me, so I thought it was ball in hand. I understood I was to be informed before a push was played. So, what are the requirements? ANd the local rules seem to change with who is running the tournament. Thx, JOhn

DogsPlayingPool has it right. To put it another way: the only requirements for a pushout are:

1. Only the shot right after the break shot.
2. You have to call it (tell your opponent or the ref you're pushing out).
3. You must use a legal stroke on the cue ball (hit it normally with the tip).
4. The cue ball can't go into a pocket or otherwise leave the table.
5. Normal "cue ball only" or "all balls" interference rules apply.
6. If the money ball is pocketed it's spotted.

Anything else that happens is legal.

pj



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[Mr. Wiggles]

Push out

Someone explain push out to me. Today I was playing, the player broke. Had a shot at the 1, but called push out and shot the 9 ball in, as it was hanging in the corner pocket and they could not have run to it. WTF, I still won but I thought a push required no rail, no ball contact. I have not been playing long since I started back up. And they apparently told the tournament director(director may be overstating running the 12 man tournament) and not me, so I thought it was ball in hand. I understood I was to be informed before a push was played. So, what are the requirements? ANd the local rules seem to change with who is running the tournament. Thx, JOhn

You may also push if your opp breaks dry and you are hooked or not hooked. Anything can be done on a push, make a ball, remove hanging nine which will be spotted. No rail or contacts required. Of course they can choose to not shoot and return it to you. That is the skill in pushing. Give them a reasonable but not impossible shot or they will return it to you. Some people push into a jump shot knowing you will return it and of course they jump very well. It's a good thing. Keeps you from losing a game quickly when a nine is hanging. When playing nine ball always ask opp are we pushing? Also try to accomplish something with your push like breaking or causing clusters! Pushing requires much thought. Many people believe the pusher is at a disadvantage because the shot can be returned to him. Probably true.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

rules 6.2 Wrong Ball First and 6.3 No Rail after Contact are suspended for the shot.

I haven't checked Rule 6.2, but I think this should read "6.2 Wrong Ball First / No Ball Contacted and 6.3..."

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[Patrick Johnson]

Mr. Wiggles:
Many people believe the pusher is at a disadvantage because the shot can be returned to him. Probably true.

I think this is true - the player with the choice has the advantage by definition. The pusher is trying to improve his chances from underdog to even. That's why they say you should choose a pushout that makes your opponent uncertain what to do - then you know he doesn't have a clear advantage by either taking the shot or giving it back to you.

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[brokenarrowjbe]

Just another of the many changes. In 8 ball, you get ball in hand in the kitchen where I played. Now it is ball in hand anywhere. I guess for TV it makes the game faster. Still seems cheesy. John

 

[dabarbr]

Am I misunderstanding what happened? Why would someone call pushout and combo the nine in with the one ball? Never mind. I just reread it and he said he had a shot on the one but passed on it. Legal shot the way I see it.

 

[Pushout]

Am I misunderstanding what happened? Why would someone call pushout and combo the nine in with the one ball? Never mind. I just reread it and he said he had a shot on the one but passed on it. Legal shot the way I see it.

That's the way I see it, too.