Push with a ferrule

Just like they said

it is a foul, although it has been done in gambling for longer than I can remember for sets under $100 a set.

Another reason why to state out loud what rules you are playing by before you start playing, then everything defaults to the written rules, and there is no question then. This should absolutely be done for every match with a stranger.
 
I would definitely say its unsportsmanlike but can't say I would call a foul.

I can see why he would do it though. A person would do this if they only wanted to move the ball a few inches. It's MUCH easier to nudge the CB with the side of the shaft (the ferrule) than shooting it straight on with the weight of the cue behind it. You'd likely push it beyond your intended position if you swung the cue at it.

BTW, it was very common to take a foul by tapping the top of the CB in the golf game at my hometown pool hall.
 
It's a foul.... but I wouldn't care...

The only people that call that are people who are too stuck-up or people who are just to stuck.... In any other part of the game it's a foul, for the push I could care less... if he tries to play a safe, when the OB is near the rail and the CB is VERY close to it, by using his ferrule then I'm picking whitey up, no questions.
 
longhair said:
... In a twenty dollar set, is there anyone who would have made an issue of this with a stranger in a new poolroom?
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Not me. Even trying to inform him that what he just did is technically a foul is probably inappropriate, unless you find a really tactful way to do it.

Push-outs with the side of the stick used to be accepted in nine ball, maybe even in tournaments. Knocking balls off the table was not a foul either. Some players don't keep up.
 
when i played in stockton in the mid 80's it wasnt a foul, we awalys played that way,

i dont do it if i'm in a new spot playing people i dont know.
 
Bob Jewett said:
Not me. Even trying to inform him that what he just did is technically a foul is probably inappropriate, unless you find a really tactful way to do it.

Push-outs with the side of the stick used to be accepted in nine ball, maybe even in tournaments. Knocking balls off the table was not a foul either. Some players don't keep up.
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Like was said, "in the old days", one never thought anything about it. We even did this when playing "2 shot roll-out".

Most of the time it occurred just because the guy was too lazy to walk around to face the shot.

I wouldn't call it on anyone. Tournament or otherwise.
 
I have seen this move alot in one pocket when one player puts the other one in the stack and the incoming player just taps the CB with his ferrule so that he doesnt sell out a shot. If it were a tourney, I would probably call a foul. If it were gambling, I would probably let it go since I had the choice of shooting it or letting him shoot it. JMO.

Southpaw
 
About illegal tapping of balls I asked a similar question here:
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=57315

Note these posts by Bob Jewett:
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=655483&postcount=10
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=656252&postcount=23

As for push-out, I remember it is required by the rules that a player uses legal shot for it. I.e. not with a bumper, ferrule or whatever.
With gambling it is another story probably, though I would expect from my opponent to play by the rules of the game.
 
Vahmurka said:
... As for push-out, I remember it is required by the rules that a player uses legal shot for it. I.e. not with a bumper, ferrule or whatever. ...
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I'm not sure if it has been mentioned before, but the only two rules that are suspended for a push-out are the "bad hit" and "no rail" fouls. All other foul rules are still in effect. Since the "bad hit" rule is out, the cue ball can hit any ball first. With the "no rail" rule out, you don't have to hit any ball at all, and nothing has to touch a rail either before or after the cue ball may or may not hit a ball.

You are permitted to strike and even sink the one ball on a push-out at nine ball, since there is no rule against it. It's possible to come up with a scenario where you might want to do that.
 
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