Putting a Predator or OB-1 Shaft on custom?
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sharpq said:Lisa,
In regards to your first point, if ANY custom cuemaker thought that his shaft was superior in deflection to either one of the shafts in question, he would certainly advertise that fact, (what a great marketing tool that would be). You don't see them counterdicting any of the test, so I would be lead to believe that the ob-1 and pred must be superior.
To your second point, again, the original poster wanted to know about shafts only, that is why I said what I said.SHARPQ
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Ronnie says his shafts are lower deflection than predators. i own a qp and i've played with predators and i'd take Ronnies shaft ofer theres
BPG24 said:
I believe that the point that Sheldon is trying to make is that while the Predator shaft may well be the 'most accurate' shaft for you, there have been many, many others here who tend to feel that that may well not be the case for them, for whatever reason.
My point is that while the Predator shaft may be the most accurate shaft for you, I happen to feel that my slightly brown solid hard maple Tucker shaft is the most accurate for me...after that, it is purely one's ability to stroke the CB well.
It really is a matter of preference and choice, as far as one's equipment goes. The equipment can only take one but so far, even in the accuracy department...beyond that, it really is up to the player to develop the best skills that they possibly can...and with that comes better accuracy overall.
Let me explain it this way: The shaft on my playing cue puts the CB exactly where I tell it to...if my aim or stroke is off, it is still going exactly where I told it to go. The adage "crap in, crap out" comes to mind.
I can simplify this even further: it really is the Indian, and not the Arrow!
Seriously tho'...you are trying very hard to convince us here that the Predator is the 'magic' shaft...the be all and end all of all shafts. What the Predator, or any shaft, for that matter, cannot do is overcome things such as the condition of the table surface, cloth wear, rails, and balls. The only thing that has a snowball's chance of overcoming the above factors is the ability of the player to make the necessary adjustments.
Lisa
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ridewiththewind said:I believe that the point that Sheldon is trying to make is that while the Predator shaft may well be the 'most accurate' shaft for you, there have been many, many others here who tend to feel that that may well not be the case for them, for whatever reason.
My point is that while the Predator shaft may be the most accurate shaft for you, I happen to feel that my slightly brown solid hard maple Tucker shaft is the most accurate for me...after that, it is purely one's ability to stroke the CB well.
It really is a matter of preference and choice, as far as one's equipment goes. The equipment can only take one but so far, even in the accuracy department...beyond that, it really is up to the player to develop the best skills that they possibly can...and with that comes better accuracy overall.
Let me explain it this way: The shaft on my playing cue puts the CB exactly where I tell it to...if my aim or stroke is off, it is still going exactly where I told it to go. The adage "crap in, crap out" comes to mind.
I can simplify this even further: it really is the Indian, and not the Arrow!
Seriously tho'...you are trying very hard to convince us here that the Predator is the 'magic' shaft...the be all and end all of all shafts. What the Predator, or any shaft, for that matter, cannot do is overcome things such as the condition of the table surface, cloth wear, rails, and balls. The only thing that has a snowball's chance of overcoming the above factors is the ability of the player to make the necessary adjustments.
Lisa
No you couldn't be more wrong about what I am trying to do... I never said predator was magic. How are you getting that from what i am saying???????? Did you read all of my posts and the ones before them that I am responding too?
I have no interest in discussing opinions as I have stated 500 times
I just want one person to disprove the test that Platinum Billiards conducted... No one will even try.
All of you people who say that the test is BS or that is has nothing to do with accuracy when using spin please show the world
BPG24 said:
Has it occurred to you that their results may well be just a matter of opinion as well? That their results may actually be a bit askew to fulfill their agenda to sell more Predator (and other aftermarket) shafts? Let's face it, they're not exactly an inexpensive upgrade.
When you can show me that they have had the results of their testing independently verified by a lab, such as maybe MIT, then I might be more inclined to trust the results. I happen to find the results of tests performed by a vendor, who primary goal is to make as much money possible, a bit suspect. I do not understand why you can not see this, or at least, ponder the possibility.
Lisa
ridewiththewind said:
Right on the money as usual Lisa. Rep points for you.
Good Cuemaking,
ridewiththewind said:
Hey Lisa,
I can tell you why...Ignorance is bliss and actually having to come up with something more than the typical, knee jerk response is too much for some people to handle.
"Ah, read what I wrote, you're dumb, NIT, etc..."
Just do what I do and ignore
Regards and keep me posted on any new cues coming your way
Years ago at a BCA Trade show in Vegas Predator had Iron Willie set up showing how english imparts deflection of the cue-ball and the affect it has to the object ball. I watched for a total of probably 5 hours over the days that I was there. The cue ball was set on a predetermined spot and the object ball on another spot in-line about a foot away. At the end of the table was a board that had NCR paper on it. NCR paper is two pieces of paper that act like carbon paper. When something contacts one piece the mark is printed onto the other. What they did was let iron Willie shoot a ball with no English, making a mark on the paper and then they would do it again using left english and then right english. When the three shots were done you had three marks showing just where the object ball hit the paper after being influenced by the deflected cue ball. Anyone who wanted their shaft tested just had to give it to them and they would put it into Iron Willies grasp. I watched dozens and dozens of such tests and the Predator was never beat as having the three marks the closest together.
I believe that the laminated sections are no more than snake oil as far as to making the shaft play the same no matter how oriented but it is just plain physics as far as end mas of the shaft affecting the deflection of the cue ball.
It's true that all shafts will deflect the cue ball when english is imparted, even the Predators but it is easier for your subconscious to judge a 1/16 of an inch than it is to judge a inch and a 1/16. If it didn't make any difference then hunters on the plains would be shooting Prairie dogs at 600 yards with a 30-30 instead of a 22-250.
Dick
I believe that the laminated sections are no more than snake oil as far as to making the shaft play the same no matter how oriented but it is just plain physics as far as end mas of the shaft affecting the deflection of the cue ball.
It's true that all shafts will deflect the cue ball when english is imparted, even the Predators but it is easier for your subconscious to judge a 1/16 of an inch than it is to judge a inch and a 1/16. If it didn't make any difference then hunters on the plains would be shooting Prairie dogs at 600 yards with a 30-30 instead of a 22-250.
Dick
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rhncue said:
i saw one at valley forge inlike 2002 but i think meucci or steve lomax has something to do with it.
i like steve but i didnt pay much attention bc it was meucci
hope they werent compairing the red dot shaft
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ps i just put an ivory ferrule and new everest and pad on my 314 2. well see tomorrow
by the way there was no foam in this shaft like the original 314
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dave sutton
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this thread is out of control.
argueing this is like argueing what plays better 18 oz or 21 oz
all matter of opinion. who cares about tests. what was the reason behind the test? could it be bias?
who cares form your own opinion
yes... maybe 7 out 0f 10 play with a predator. give or take
is it bc they are the best? or is it bc predator gives it to them along with a break cue???? bc they do!
allison and earl play with cuetec. do you think thats the best cue for them. hell no. its the $
argueing this is like argueing what plays better 18 oz or 21 oz
all matter of opinion. who cares about tests. what was the reason behind the test? could it be bias?
who cares form your own opinion
yes... maybe 7 out 0f 10 play with a predator. give or take
is it bc they are the best? or is it bc predator gives it to them along with a break cue???? bc they do!
allison and earl play with cuetec. do you think thats the best cue for them. hell no. its the $
i can't see the logic in the Praire dog story.that is completely moving the goal post.a more likely variance in accuracy would be 1/16 of an inch and 3/16 of an inch.if you like aiming off 3/16" then Rock Maple shafts are better.if you like aiming 1/16" off then Predators are better.less is not necessarily better.that is why hunters when hunters shoot wild boars at close range they use a .30-.30 instead of a .22-.250.
masonh said:
I used that about the guns to sort of show what is easier to do. Use a 22-250 which is very flat shooting so that at 600 yards you only have to aim within 3 or 4 inches to hit dead center or a 30-30 where you have to judge a hold over of around 6 feet. Which would you think is easier to judge?
This same year, at the BCA, Jim Buss was there and he said he did some experimenting with a heavier shaft to see it's affect. He said he put a brass bar in the end of a shaft to add, instead of removing, weight. He said that when he used english with this shaft he would miss the object ball entirely by 6 inches. Would you like compensating for that on a thin cut?
Dick
rhncue said:
What's a 30-30?
i actually owned a cue once that had a flat laminated shaft and if you hit the cue ball hard with lots of inside,it would miss the entire ball on a long shot.i won't say who made it.i have to agree it would be tough to shoot even a barn at 600 yrds with a .30-.30
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Koop said:Hey Lisa,
I can tell you why...Ignorance is bliss and actually having to come up with something more than the typical, knee jerk response is too much for some people to handle.
"Ah, read what I wrote, you're dumb, NIT, etc..."
Just do what I do and ignore
Regards and keep me posted on any new cues coming your way
Koop you have no room to talk about anyone... You have proven that you like to stir up trouble already not to mention being a liar among other things...
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