Putting a Predator or OB-1 Shaft on custom?

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dave sutton said:
agreed however...

if you take 3 top cuemakers cues and you dont play with a predator

put the qball on the spot and the object ball on the siderail inline with the other spot. hit the qball high inside and follow 3 rails around.
that pred will not go where you think it will

there is deff an adjustment to be made. no question
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Dave you bring up a good point or rather I think you made your point for predator. If their shafts hit the same they couldn't sell many. To be fair you would have to rotate each custom shaft at least 90 degrees and take the shot three or four times. Let us know if you get the same results that way. Of course I couldn't hit the broad side of the barn let alone the same spot after one rail.

jimbo.
 
Mason,

Again, I never said anything about how the butt of a cue is going to play. The original poster asked about shafts only. Of course, the butt construction will make a difference in how the cue feels and hits, but the original poster asked of SHAFTS.

To your point about "my broad generalization" about shafts , your right. I was talking "in general". If you take 15 pred, 15 ob-1, and 15 custom, the ob-1 and pred will have less deflection over the customs.(in general). There might be the needle in haystack custom that has less deflection, if you hit it in the same position every time, and find the sweet spot spine of the shaft and mark it. :)

To your statement of "were only talking of thousandths of an inch". No, actually, on a 5 foot shot or more, were talking about half an inch, which would change the direction of the object ball, considerbly. This is based on testing done by Platinum Billiards and Predator Products, so take it for what it's worth. I can only assume their advertising results are legit.
 
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that chart compares the Prdator to a few other low deflection shafts and then a bunch of j/b break cues and then some $100 production cues.i didn't see SW,Searing or Szamboti on the list.bjump break cues are naturally going to be much stiffer and most have more deflection.that chart is a list of bad comparasons at best.also don't believe for a minute that those charts are guranteed accurate and couldn't be skewed in more ways than one.when a top 20 cuemaker makes a chart like that and compares Predator shafts to 20 of the worlds best cues then you might have a chart,but then you still have to prove that less than .10" per foot of distance deflection will make someone a better pool player.it won't.the key is that with any cue there will be some defleciton and the player will always have to adjust to that deflection.so why is it easier to adjust to 1" of deflection than 1.1" of deflection on a foot long shot or 1" to 1.5" on a length of the table shot.it is still whatever you are used to.

you also clearly stated that the joint doesn't matter and to put a Predator shaft on any butt that is beautiful to you and call it a day.you said the joint area has nothing to do with it wether it is SS,flat-face,ivory,Lambros,etc.you were saying that the butt doesn't matter.no big deal,but i feel the butt does matter.
 
Mason,
I don't see any custom cuemakers putting out the challenge to compare the Pred or ob-1 to their shaft!

And again,
My comment to put a Pred or OB-1 on a butt you like and "call it a day", was simply implying that putting one of these shafts on your chosen butt will make it more of an accurate aiming tool, (except for that needle-in-a-haystack custom shaft). :) I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING ON HOW BUTT CONSTRUCTION COMES INTO PLAY. Please quit bringing up that, i agree with you!!!!! lol
 
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sharpq said:
All testing has proved that the pred 314-2 is superior, but only marginally to the ob-1. Both shafts are superior to any "custom maker" shaft. This is why no "custom" cue maker will argue this fact about shafts. The only arguement is, is the less deflection substantial enough to make a noticeable difference. My humble answer is "give me the most accurate shaft, period"! The game is hard enough!! :) The best answer is, " Put a 314-2 on a butt that is beautiful to you and call it a day". Forgot to say that the Predator Z2 is even more accurate, but you would have to get used to that skinny tip, which most hate :) Just my 2 cents! thanks SHARPQ
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I call bullsh*t on that. Unless you are speaking only for yourself.
Not everyone likes the way OB1 and Predator shafts hit.
I'll admit that some think so, and that's fine. I have built a lot of cues that got Predator and OB1 shafts on them, I actually like doing them that way. But claiming they are superior is a matter of opinion, and anyone claiming to have "proven" this is blowing smoke up your ***.
 
Sheldon said:
I call bullsh*t on that. Unless you are speaking only for yourself.
Not everyone likes the way OB1 and Predator shafts hit.
I'll admit that some think so, and that's fine. I have built a lot of cues that got Predator and OB1 shafts on them, I actually like doing them that way. But claiming they are superior is a matter of opinion, and anyone claiming to have "proven" this is blowing smoke up your ***.
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So am I correct in saying that you are calling Platinum Billiards liars? Also saying that there tests are complete BS? I would love to know how they feel about that.
 
It's not amatter of opinion, it's a matter of TESTING. If your calling these test bogus, then you have an arguement, if not, then you don't! But, if your saying the test are bogus, what is your basis, opinion?
Any facts to counterdict their results?
 
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Sheldon,
I'm not saying, you like the feel. I am saying these shafts are more accurate! SHARPQ
 
Anyone with proof that Predators or other low deflection shafts are not more accurate please do share with us...

Or if you have proof that the Platinum Billiards tests are wrong or rigged than please speak up...

Otherwise there is no argument
 
I sell predators, ob1 and universal shafts and build custom cues. I do not like predators I do like ob1 and actually to my suprise i think universal hits as well if not better than a predator. Its all personal opinion. I think they all three are accurate. I use a custom shaft an like the feel and play better than with all the other three. However thats me. I do not think there is anything wrong with any of the three shafts.
 
Nothing like low squirt shafts thread.
Next to aiming systems, this topic has been discussed to death here and elsewhere.
Can of worms.
 
Joey you are right...

And until someone can prove that the tests are wrong than there is really no argument
 
BPG24 said:
Joey you are right...

And until someone can prove that the tests are wrong than there is really no argument
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Didn't Bob Meucci prove his red dot shafts had lower squirt than Preds?
 
Not to my knowledge... :)

How long has it been since Bob actually had anything to do with making a Meucci?
 
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Hopefully those who claim that the Platinum Billiards tests are rigged can provide some proof.

Calling Predator/OB-1/Tiger etc Liars without specific proof is rediculous.

One of you guys that KNOW SO MUCH about it please step up and provide us with facts that prove these things you claim
 
Unless you can find a shaft with zero deflection, there will always be adjustment. Also, deflection is not the only factor to consider, some even use it to their advantage. I don't know many player with a robot arm, but if I ever meet one, I'm going to recommend a meucci for them, for sure. :D
 
masonh said:
that chart compares the Prdator to a few other low deflection shafts and then a bunch of j/b break cues and then some $100 production cues.i didn't see SW,Searing or Szamboti on the list.bjump break cues are naturally going to be much stiffer and most have more deflection.that chart is a list of bad comparasons at best.also don't believe for a minute that those charts are guranteed accurate and couldn't be skewed in more ways than one.when a top 20 cuemaker makes a chart like that and compares Predator shafts to 20 of the worlds best cues then you might have a chart,but then you still have to prove that less than .10" per foot of distance deflection will make someone a better pool player.it won't.the key is that with any cue there will be some defleciton and the player will always have to adjust to that deflection.so why is it easier to adjust to 1" of deflection than 1.1" of deflection on a foot long shot or 1" to 1.5" on a length of the table shot.it is still whatever you are used to.

you also clearly stated that the joint doesn't matter and to put a Predator shaft on any butt that is beautiful to you and call it a day.you said the joint area has nothing to do with it wether it is SS,flat-face,ivory,Lambros,etc.you were saying that the butt doesn't matter.no big deal,but i feel the butt does matter.
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Tap Tap Tap!

I asked this same question in another thread, Did not go over to well:eek: , then again I was arguing with people that thought all wood was the same:confused: :confused: . I would like to see Shafts from High End cuemakers like SW, Searing, Szam and Black Boar put to the test against the Lamininated shafts and see the results. It shure would put this debate to rest, but they haven't. I don't know why.
 
I don't care what kinda 'pixie dust' is sprinkled on any given shaft...whether it be an aftermarket laminated, or a cuemaker's custom shaft...it is only going to be as accurate as the person stroking it!

While I have nothing against an aftermarket laminated shaft, I just really prefer a very stiff playing shaft, and so, seek out those makers who have a reputation for making such. A stiff shaft will tell you pretty immediately if you are having a stroking issue or not...they are not very forgiving, in that respect. I feel my game has improved greatly as a result of this philosophy.

It really comes down to a matter of preference. I prefer a nice ol' fashioned solid wood shaft made for my cue. Let's face it, after a certain point, it is no longer the cue (butt or shaft), but the person's ability, or lack thereof, to put it to it's best use.

Lisa
 
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