Putting a Predator or OB-1 Shaft on custom?

[BPG24]

you are right on about pros playing with them.the champions can play with almost anything.i am buying you a Viking next Christmas and you have to play with it for year.

LOL

I compliment you on your cue making ability in front of thousands of people and all I can get is a Viking?
We need to renegotiate our deal...

Maybe you can talk Adam into giving me a SW from his collection. I know, I know slim and none...

 

[masonh]

he might,he gave me one last year.at least gave it to me for a great price.you should call him,he has all kinds of stuff and is very fair.

 

[ribdoner]

LOL

I compliment you on your cue making ability in front of thousands of people and all I can get is a Viking?
We need to renegotiate our deal...

Maybe you can talk Adam into giving me a SW from his collection. I know, I know slim and none...

If I give you one I have NO problem with you putting an after market shaft on it of your choice ............as long as it's not made in a country run by COMMIES.

Adam======>doesn't like the fact that a HUGE % of their GNP can be used in an attempt to wipe us off the face of the earth when our collective cunsumptive economys have depleted the planets resources and it's on the road to being uninhabitable as a by product of resultant efluent.

The thought of this scenario caused me to convulse and I hit my head on my keyboard...........good thing I was wearing my bullshit deflecter/crash helmet

 

[masonh]

he's smart too.

 

[BPG24]

If I give you one I have NO problem with you putting an after market shaft on it of your choice ............as long as it's not made in a country run by COMMIES.

Adam======>doesn't like the fact that a HUGE % of their GNP can be used in an attempt to wipe us off the face of the earth when our collective cunsumptive economys have depleted the planets resources and it's on the road to being uninhabitable as a by product of resultant efluent.

The thought of this scenario caused me to convulse and I hit my head on my keyboard...........good thing I was wearing my bullshit deflecter/crash helmet

LOL

SW = no need for after market anything

I have been to Russia though not during communist reign. Nice place if you like bad food and the worlds craziest taxi drivers

You could always take apart several OB-1's and wrap the foam around your keyboard, eliminating at least half of the need for that helmet

 

[icem3n]

I got Nothing to proof..

The argument is about some people stating opinions claiming that something that has been proven is not correct... And not one of them has proven their opinions to be true.

Whom proven what? Did I not prove anything yet on thread #27.
Have you already tried what I ask?

Like any other new technology there is an adjustment period and you have to be dedicated to giving it an honest try

Have you gave your 100% effort to non high tech Shaft? Or is there some knowledge you still lacking?

Anyone with proof that Predators or other low deflection shafts are not more accurate please do share with us...
Or if you have proof that the Platinum Billiards tests are wrong or rigged than please speak up...
Otherwise there is no argument

Low deflection shaft Accurate??

Playing with Low deflection shaft only
If you are above height, say above 5'10", please Do this with low deflection shaft:

Placed two balls, one object ball and one c/b in straight line 5 feet apart or more. Play stop ball with English. Try stop c/b dead on the spot and the c/b must be spining for 2 second or more. How did you perform?

Playing with Low deflection shaft only
Get a shorter person like Alex Pagulayan or someone that has the same style of play like Bustamante, to play the same shot. What do you find? Anything different? Maybe... very likely he perform better..

I don't know what kinda test they done, I guess it only deflection test. Accuracy test? Are you sure?? No doubt they are the lowest deflection shaft on the market and some may benefit from it. But in a wrong player hand and different style of play it may not be beneficial him.

How many cuemaker that you come across will tell you:
1. Hey that's not the right cue for you.
2. You playing with a wrong cue weight.
3. You should be playing with a heavier cue or vice-versa.
4. The butt too light for you.
5. Your grip is not good and what a bridge!!, try getting a heavier shaft.
6. You should be playing with this type of cue length.
7. You should try playing with a low deflection shaft or vice-versa..
8. Your over run your position, I think you need a stiffer cue and so on.
9. and (too many to continue)....

When you become knowlegable in the future... You will look back and laugh at all that has been posted here.

Psychologist would say 33.3% Skill + 33.3% Physical + 33.3% Mental would get you performing better. Won't you agree?

I would agree if he told me that the 1st time. Am I sure he didn't leave anything out?

A Marketing team will always sell the good side of their product.
Now, Are you he didn't leave anything out (bad)?

I 4 1 m still learning. Peace Bro

 

[BPG24]

Whom proven what? Did I not prove anything yet on thread #27.
Have you already tried what I ask?


Have you gave your 100% effort to non high tech Shaft? Or is there some knowledge you still lacking?


Low deflection shaft Accurate??

Playing with Low deflection shaft only
If you are above height, say above 5'10", please Do this with low deflection shaft:

Placed two balls, one object ball and one c/b in straight line 5 feet apart or more. Play stop ball with English. Try stop c/b dead on the spot and the c/b must be spining for 2 second or more. How did you perform?

Playing with Low deflection shaft only
Get a shorter person like Alex Pagulayan or someone that has the same style of play like Bustamante, to play the same shot. What do you find? Anything different? Maybe... very likely he perform better..

I don't know what kinda test they done, I guess it only deflection test. Accuracy test? Are you sure?? No doubt they are the lowest deflection shaft on the market and some may benefit from it. But in a wrong player hand and different style of play it may not be beneficial him.

How many cuemaker that you come across will tell you:
1. Hey that's not the right cue for you.
2. You playing with a wrong cue weight.
3. You should be playing with a heavier cue or vice-versa.
4. The butt too light for you.
5. Your grip is not good and what a bridge!!, try getting a heavier shaft.
6. You should be playing with this type of cue length.
7. You should try playing with a low deflection shaft or vice-versa..
8. Your over run your position, I think you need a stiffer cue and so on.
9. and (too many to continue)....

When you become knowlegable in the future... You will look back and laugh at all that has been posted here.

Psychologist would say 33.3% Skill + 33.3% Physical + 33.3% Mental would get you performing better. Won't you agree?

I would agree if he told me that the 1st time. Am I sure he didn't leave anything out?

A Marketing team will always sell the good side of their product.
Now, Are you he didn't leave anything out (bad)?

I 4 1 m still learning. Peace Bro

LOL

If you think I am lacking so much knowledge come give me the breaks and 3 free balls to swing at... that's what any great and knowledgeable player like you would give an idiot like me right??? Hell i probably can't run 3 balls in a row right?

I have used standard maple shafts alot more than than I have Predators/OB-1's etc.. I completely understand the difference. You did not show me any proof that the Platinum billiards test is wrong and until someone does i will consider this argument over... You're opinion or my opinion of which one plays better means nothing.


Looks like you didn't read some of my posts...

Prove the facts wrong and get back to me...

 

[icem3n]

LOL

If you think I am lacking so much knowledge come give me the breaks and 3 free balls to swing at... that's what any great and knowledgeable player like you would give an idiot like me right??? Hell i probably can't run 3 balls in a row right?

I have used standard maple shafts alot more than than I have Predators/OB-1's etc.. I completely understand the difference. You did not show me any proof that the Platinum billiards test is wrong and until someone does i will consider this argument over... You're opinion or my opinion of which one plays better means nothing.


Looks like you didn't read some of my posts...

Prove the facts wrong and get back to me...

Just like I have said, I got nothing to proof.

All you need to proof is to test it for youself.

You just need to place two ball 5 feet apart.

Play stop ball with the c/b spinning with english. Let me repeat that stop the ball with English, spininnnng.....

If you can perform that, You can say your low deflection shaft is definitely the best.

If you can't perform that shot, can you say the test it true? Don't ask me. ask whatever place that perform the test say accuracy is the best.

Like i said, was it a deflection test or was it an accuracy test taken place at what ever place you call that..

Again peace bro...

 

[BPG24]

Just like I have said, I got nothing to proof.

All you need to proof is to test it for youself.

You just need to place two ball 5 feet apart.

Play stop ball with the c/b spinning with english. Let me repeat that stop the ball with English, spininnnng.....

If you can perform that, You can say your low deflection shaft is definitely the best.

If you can't perform that shot, can you say the test it true? Don't ask me. ask whatever place that perform the test say accuracy is the best.

Like i said, was it a deflection test or was it an accuracy test taken place at what ever place you call that..

Again peace bro...

I have done many drills with both kinds of shafts. You need to look at the test. Accuracy is improved by decreasing deflection or squirt.
I wouldn't use any spin if I was playing a stop shot. Anyone who follows straight through doesn't need any english to stop the cue ball.

Besides, what game are you playing where you get straight in shapes?
Maybe it's just me but I never get straight in on purpose

By the way, aren't you the guy that hasn't played with a Predator that has had the cheap plastic taken out and a real ferrule put on?

 

[icem3n]

Anybody out there like to perform this simply test? anybody huh? huh?

 

[BPG24]

Anybody out there like to perform this simply test? anybody huh? huh?

That shot could never come up in any pool game I have ever heard of, so the results don't matter

When is the cueball spinning in any pool game, that you wouldn't wait for it to stop before you shoot it

 

[icem3n]

I have done many drills with both kinds of shafts. You need to look at the test. Accuracy is improved by decreasing deflection or squirt.
I wouldn't use any spin if I was playing a stop shot. Anyone who follows straight through doesn't need any english to stop the cue ball.

Besides, what game are you playing where you get straight in shapes?
Maybe it's just me but I never get straight in on purpose

By the way, aren't you the guy that hasn't played with a Predator that has had the cheap plastic taken out and a real ferrule put on?

My friend, all this is just for learning, we are learning. Im just showing what i know.

No harm to try, you got nothing to lose. Pool has no limit. Like i say, every now and then Im still learning. I have no loss, I have offered ..
If you say they is limit you should see Semih (3c) play.


Won't you take 10 second to try it out. Would that proof you the truth about accuracy?

Why won't you get straight on purpose. I would like to get straight on the 9... especially if it is less than 2 feet away. I love that.
but then again why do I want to stop a ball to spining a ball.
Common my friend, don't ask me? Think...

My retired Predator that I played exclusively for 7 years or more, is still the way it is. everthing intact as it is, no modification of any sort.

Do try out. Don't deny it. We are learning everday.

 

[BPG24]

I will ask you one more time...

What game in pool are you playing where the cueball is spinning and you shoot it before it stops? Speed Pool??????

This could never come up in any game that I play, in fact it would be a foul

 

[icem3n]

That shot could never come up in any pool game I have ever heard of, so the results don't matter

When is the cueball spinning in any pool game, that you wouldn't wait for it to stop before you shoot it

It does matter. It show you how accurate it is. Don't you think so.

Low deflection is all about english. If it can't perform this, what's the use?

Look back at Robert Byrne video. Do you think he going to teach us everything?

It is good that he show us a short clip of that part. I wonder how many player ever ask why he did that? Are you sure it is of no use? Let me repeat that. Are you sure??

Like many cuemaker that have many trade secret which they won't share. i believe that here many are simply keeping their mouth shut.

You just need to do more research. I believe one day you will have the answer.

 

[BPG24]

It does matter. It show you how accurate it is. Don't you think so.

Low deflection is all about english. If it can't perform this, what's the use?

Look back at Robert Byrne video. Do you think he going to teach us everything?

It is good that he show us a short clip of that part. I wonder how many player ever ask why he did that? Are you sure it is of no use? Let me repeat that. Are you sure??

Like many cuemaker that have many trade secret which they won't share. i believe that here many are simply keeping their mouth shut.

You just need to do more research. I believe one day you will have the answer.

OK since you refuse to answer me, I will just put you on ignore... I don't care to play silly childish games.



Send me a PM if you ever decide to disprove the tests.

 

[icem3n]

I will ask you one more time...

What game in pool are you playing where the cueball is spinning and you shoot it before it stops? Speed Pool??????

This could never come up in any game that I play, in fact it would be a foul

I come in peace. no war.

Why are your getting so fustrated?

I never say i shoot the c/b before it stop spinning.

LEt me repeat this again, if you do not understand.

I told you to place two balls in a straight line for accuracy test using english.

I bet you can play a stop shot on a straight line with no problem.
Accuracy, you must be very accurate on this.

How about you play a stop shot with english?
I think you know what I mean by now.
You hit it dead straight you will have the c/b spining horizontally
after it stop vertically. I think you understand now. Maybe you can try it.

I got something here for you .

FEAR OF FAILURE by Sven-Goran Eriksson.

"It stops players from being creative, taking chances in the game, and gaining satisfaction from the process of competing rather than simply from the outcome (i.e. result). Instead of emphasizing winning, coaches should encourage self-improvement. If a players are afraid to make mistakes, their learning and development may slowed down."

 

[masonh]

i think others have said this already,but the key to this whole debate is Predators mgiht reduce "deflection" but that does not improve accuracy.the argumant that they are more accurate is a fallacy.you might want to try saying they are of lower deflection than some customs.low deflection does not=more accuracy.

 

[BPG24]

i think others have said this already,but the key to this whole debate is Predators mgiht reduce "deflection" but that does not improve accuracy.the argumant that they are more accurate is a fallacy.you might want to try saying they are of lower deflection than some customs.low deflection does not=more accuracy.

It does according to the test... Did you read it? I mean, I know you thought that there were only J/B's and trash on the list, that wasn't true... maybe you should read the test...

Deflection and Accuracy are related especially when using spin, which in most games is necessary on almost every shot

 

[BPG24]

Come on Mason... Make us all a shaft...

You have already proven to the world you have talent. I bet you can make a bad azz spliced shaft if you put your mind to it. take some of that quality wood you have and design a shaft that will give us the best of both worlds... Feel, accuracy, and quality of build

 

[icem3n]

I gained nothing here but more enemy I guess, so I hope this will be my last post here. I just check up the site you mention. It didn’t mention anything about accuracy. It just says deflection rating.

I think you owe a lot of cue-makers an apology. You made them look bad and cheap by comparing their shafts with low deflection shaft.

What I have mentioned so far in the previous thread all connects to the site you mention. All about the physical size of players and style of player connects to the chart mentioned.
I don’t know if you can see that.

No doubt low deflection shafts are good, but that is if it matches the physical size and style of play of a person, like the two top players I mentioned before this. Then again, they are few other downside of this type of shafts (which I do not want to disclose, not wanting trouble with Mr. S.T.).

There is a section in the site you mentioned that holds the key to understanding everything. If you know that, playing low deflection shaft or solid maple shaft makes no different. The latter is far superior -imo. The knowledge on how to use these two different shafts is important. Without the knowledge, to play a tech or non tech shaft, and to gain the 100% potential will be impossible.

Just to let you know, for me I need high deflection shaft to play my game. You can call me crazy.

I should have kept my big mouth shut in the first place so I don’t need to do this. I apologize in advance, if what I said here has affected any cue-maker sales and will cause any lost to them, which I have no intention to.