Putting a Predator or OB-1 Shaft on custom?
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ridewiththewind said:Nope, RD, not a moderator...wouldn't want that job, it is pretty thankless.
However, with that said...I have been around here long enough to know what is acceptable behavior, and what is not. I'm guessing that "Why do you idiots have to reply to me?" is probably not.
I do not understand why there cannot be an exchange of differing opinions without it resorting to name-calling and insults.
Lisa
Lisa you have failed to respond to a few a my responses to you. Which shows that you haven't offered any facts to back up your claims. Offering only an opinion about the subject doesn't change anything and for some reason you don't get that.
I do not like people who can't understand what they are reading constantly accusing me of bashing cue makers and telling me that I don't understand something that I clearly do. Also accusing me of being a liar just because they can't understand what they read. It is annoying, and if you can't understand that than I can't help the way you feel about it. Calling him an idiot was the wrong choice of words, I should have called him ignorant. Somehow I feel like you would have had a problem with that too. Even though it would have been correct.
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I'll tell you what rubs me the worst way.......
Snobbish, elitist attitudes that leave no room for an opinion other than theirs.
Either you like a product or not...use one or not....neither is wrong.
The wrong begins when some people feel the need to look down on someone else and make criticism and ad hominem that don't improve any situation.
I prefer my playing cues shaft, a Huebler that I have been playing with for 25 years.
Different stroke guys........
Snobbish, elitist attitudes that leave no room for an opinion other than theirs.
Either you like a product or not...use one or not....neither is wrong.
The wrong begins when some people feel the need to look down on someone else and make criticism and ad hominem that don't improve any situation.
I prefer my playing cues shaft, a Huebler that I have been playing with for 25 years.
Different stroke guys........
Really?BPG24 said:
Most people that I know who don't like laminated, never put the time in to see the benefits. Some of them decided that they wouldn't change before they ever even hit a ball with it.
Is that a fact? MOST PEOPLE who do not like laminated shafts never put the time to see the benifits? What benefits are there?
As for the feel argument, if you have the Predator ferrule replaced with the type of ferrule that you like, they play jam up
Really? Wouldn't the added weight ( and if tenoned, even more weight ) negate what Pred's low end-mass design?
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JoeyInCali said:
Yes Joey that is a fact. Maybe you should read it carefully.
"Most people that I know"
Do I need to explain what "most people that I know" means?
You can call Dennis Searing and ask him for yourself what he did to those Gen 1 314's...
Joey you still haven't answered my last question to you from when you quoted me and asked a question that had nothing to do with my post you quoted
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Why would I answer that?BPG24 said:
You didn't answer my question there.
You can call Dennis Searing and ask him for yourself what he did to those Gen 1 314's
I don't need to. I can change the ferrule myself. Threaded if you want.
But, when you say they play jam up with the ferrule "you like" that is subject to debate. The shaft will have a better feel/feedback but will have more squirt.
I have one and do not need a robot to test it.
And since I need to call Dennis Searing to get an answer, I guess we're done on that subject.
Dennis has no time answering phone calls.
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JoeyInCali said:
I was responding to someone who said that they didn't like the way Predators feel. I merely suggested that changing out the ferrule does improve this, and I still saw the same aiming and deflection advantages as the stock 314's. The path of the cue ball when using side spin is effected by deflection.
As far as Gen 1 314's go, I do not believe that they feel dead. Now some laminated shafts do feel dead to me. Almost all of the flat laminated shafts that i have tried have felt dead. That is just an opinion.
You don't think Predator would use a hard threaded melamine guaranteed for a lifetime if it still resulted in SAME AIMING AND DEFLECTION ADVANTAGES as the stock 314's?BPG24 said:
Low-end mass shafts ( nothing to do with lamination ) deflect MORE off the cueball ( and faster ) than heavier end-mass shafts thus resulting in less cueball squirt. That is Pred's discovery.
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JoeyInCali said:
After hearing several people complain about Predator's customer service and the fact that they won't replace shafts that have been defective, i am sure they are looking for something that they can guarantee. If they are not, it would be a huge mistake on their part, and they will undoubtedly lose customers
I have not owned any Predator product that has fallen apart or been defective in any way. I also take good care of my cues, so that could factor in as well.
As I have stated many times already in this thread, it would be great to have someone make a shaft that gives us the best of both worlds. Low Deflection and quality wood/design of ferrule
There is.BPG24 said:
No ferrule shaft. Just a pad and tip.
Any maker can. LOW END-MASS.BPG24 said:
Bob Jewitt uses one.
I made for myself too. A different backer and 12MM tip.
If you have a 1MM taper in about a foot, it'll medium to stiff.BPG24 said:
JoeyInCali said:
I had already decided that I was through responding on this subject but now a couple of new things have been thrown into the pot to comment on. As far as the use of or lack of ferrules are concerned: any reduction in end mass reduces deflection. The smaller the end of the shaft, the less weight. I don't know what the new ferrules on the 314-2s are made of or what they weigh but the soft ones on the original 314 actually weighed less than the same amount of maple. That is why they were used even with all of their other drawbacks. By putting on a different ferrule or partially filling the front of the void in a Predator you may very well improve it's hit but will be diminishing the some of the shafts low deflection ability all though it would still be better than a shaft with more end mass. A 12 mm shaft with no ferrule has less end mass than a 13 mm shaft with or without a ferrule. Also, a 11mm shaft would have less than the 12mm. For years, when I was younger, I used an 11mm shaft and played jam up pool. I always used tons of english and had never heard of deflection or squirt. The 11mm shaft just greatly reduced it. People often wondered how I could get so much juice on a ball, the length of the table, and still make the shot.
Shaft material and design plays an extremely important role in the stiffness of a shaft. A 10mm European taper Snooker shaft is usually stiffer than a 13mm maple pro taper shaft. By European taper is more like a triangle instead of being straight so it resists bending much better. This is the reason that a 11.75mm Z shaft is stiffer than the 12.75 314. The Snooker shafts also usually use a brass ferrule. Although brass is much heavier than other ferrule materials, in this case it is lighter as if you've ever changed or installed one you know how short in length and more importantly, how thin they are making them very light and strong.
Dick
i played with a solid maple shaft. i said i would never use a predator(didnt like the feel)/laminated shaft. Tried an ob1 and that is all i will use. then i read somewhere that A GREAT pool player said if you cant get shape without using english 98% of the time,than you shouldnt be playing.(maybe it was 90%)anyways i started using less english with my ob1 and i found out he(BTW it was willie mosconi)was right.I also switch back to my maple shafts and i play just as good (not using english).English just makes it eaiser to get around the table,but if you cant get around the table with out it then you shouldnt be playing. IMHO
THANKS john
THANKS john
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Hard to argue with Willie Mosconi, but....................
Most players would scratch alot if they used no english, plus todays equipment has changed the game dramatically versus what he was using. This subject is very similar to the debate on whether to try to hit a golf ball straight or shape every shot. Jack Nicklaus claims that he never tried to hit a ball straight, it was just too hard to do... I think it may be different for everyone
Some of the current instructors on this board have talked about that very subject and how that 'old school" mentality is outdated...
Maybe one of those instructors will chime in and explain better than I can
Most players would scratch alot if they used no english, plus todays equipment has changed the game dramatically versus what he was using. This subject is very similar to the debate on whether to try to hit a golf ball straight or shape every shot. Jack Nicklaus claims that he never tried to hit a ball straight, it was just too hard to do... I think it may be different for everyone
Some of the current instructors on this board have talked about that very subject and how that 'old school" mentality is outdated...
Maybe one of those instructors will chime in and explain better than I can
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