Q? about buying a second cue...
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hang-the-nine, I might have seemed like I've done more talking than listening, but all the while I have at least been doing quite a bit of reading...at least several hours worth here on the forum and a bit else where. It seems pretty simple that A LOT hinges on that little word "worth," which you've (and others) naturally used, and to ME, that word "worth" means approximately this:
"What will the que sell for (approximately)" PROVIDED it sells in the next month or two?
To me, for sake of argument, that seems roughly = the word "worth," i.e., for practical purposes.
Craigslist (used to?) have a 45 day policy for their ads, and it seems, to me (and maybe to a heck of alot of folks involved in craigslist?) that a month or two might be a "normal" or "fairly average amount" of time for someone sincerely wanting to make an average sale. So hang-the-9, I appreciate your feedback, and I'm ASSUMING you're saying something roughly like, "IF the cue sells - fairly soon - it might get around $250?" I'm surely not trying to twist anything around, just trying to get a handle on what one means, literally. I wouldn't be surprised (or shocked or whatever) if you're in the ballpark. Who - this month/year in Kansas City - has $600 (I think that was the asking price) to plunk down on a pool shooting implement?? Possible answer: the man who "appreciates artwork" isn't a rude statement methinks - and rather a fair one? Alternatively, if the seller sells it on Ebay, and can afford to WAIT 6-months or even a-year-or-two, is it a little more fair to say he might get MAYBE $100 or $200 more than that $250 (from a Joss fanatic or something)?
Here's an IMPORTANT QUESTION (in my mind) as well: what about the warranty? How much does a spotless, pretty darn new, craigslist cue (like this) LOOSE because a buyer gets no warranty? I mean couldn't (I guess) it LOOSES at least 10 or 20%? Maybe more?
Yes, the seller is shrewd, and maybe to a slight fault. ... I put another item yesterday or before up in the threads - which he had for sale - in my "Pool IN KC" tread I think it was called, and he seemed slightly reluctant to allow us to go back downstairs (where he has a really beautiful 8' table w/ inlays) and photograph the cue. Of course, I'd give anybody the benefit of the doubt, and maybe he wasn't reluctant at all, just pre-occupied, and it was my imagination, but I did have to ask twice, and politely, and my gut got an uneasy feeling for a spit second that I felt like I was nearly "begging" to simply photograph a Schon production cue. The seller, BTW is a very nice guy and I think he's probably offering several "somewhat fair buys" on several of his cues. ... He lost one of his best pool shooting buddies to cancer last year and has had some real difficulties with a slipshod contractor doing (one aspect only I think) a lousy job on an aspect of the remodel(s) on his home. So in fairness maybe he "won't get all he's asking out of these ques RIGHT AWAY." ... And he's suffered some "significant losses" recently, so maybe he'll come down - a smidgen - on the prices when the dust finally settles.
However, after that long expose' (sorry for my long-windedness) doesn't mean I wouldn't like to learn a bit more (about the pricing) on this cue and the other one I took photos of in my other thread!!! I'm appreciative of all that's been said from everybody here on the forum ... I'm grateful 100% for what seems, so far, like good ideas. ... I'm not wealthy and probably not going to spend more than around $250-300 - this year or even next - on a cue, and I probably prefer to KEEP any cue I purchase. ... I'm not at all opposed to a fancy, inlaid/decorative cue, but it must be worth "more as a shooter" than "as a looker" ... or else I'll regret it unless it had immediate re-sale value. ... Obviously I'm not a professional pool player, much less a hack looking to squeeze somebody, but I am looking for a -truly- "pretty durn good bargain" and I can wait a month or two or maybe even three or more if absolutely need be. Of course I'm slightly uncomfortable using a house cue (as I must at present) but may not ever shoot more than once a week 'till I find a "keeper" of a stick. Though it seems AzBilliards is a great forum, I'd prefer spend more time shooting pool (even if just scoping out better players than me!!) than at a keyboard on the internet ... "but it is-what-it-is" for the time being. ... Hope everybody's planning a Happy New Year ... I saw some advertising here at Side Pockets in Lenexa about a "New Years Party." I don't drink much at all so I'm reluctant - if half of everybody is totally stoned.
On another note: I was bored Sat night and looked at the Az forum, and it looked like some gal was "challenging" the gal that goes by "the black widow" (I think) to a $1000 match in Vegas for live video streaming (I think) ... and if that's really what was going on, it really was mesmerizing for me to "watch" (sort of?) --- a professional-calibur "mystery woman" challenging another (known) pro/woman --- as it was going down so-to-speak. I've yet to see anything like that crop up on an internet forum before now, and it was entertaining ... the "uniqueness" of two (pretty darn femininely it seems) pros "mildly going at it - in the build up to the so-called challenge" so to speak, and doing so "electronically" so to speak, or actually "Live, i.e., on the Internet as it unfolded." It was just something really entertaining (by COMPARISON I mean) and something I hadn't expected to see. You know, if pros did more of that (and I'm ignorant of 99.9% of professional pool) I can't help but wonder if it would "garner some significant interest." What I mean is: I'm a halfway decent recreational pool player, even though I could probably never enter a pro tourney no matter how much I practiced/learned, but that type of "hype" or "advertising" (if it's fair to call it that) seems actually pretty flippin' entertaining (to me - a total rookie/novice) because of the "TRUE spontaneity of 'natural-born-gamblers' who are 'callin' each other out'" just has a very high level of intrigue ... about 10,000X's as much as Duck Dynasty or whatever crap I might be payin' attention to, in the "universe of radio airwaves," which now technically applies to the internet as well, I suppose. I can't express how fascinating that was to see here on Az, and if it's "happening" here/elsewhere then I'd like to be clued in, so-to-speak. ... OTOH, if I'd been forewarned maybe the spontaneity-factor wouldn't exist. Hell, I dunno, maybe the whole thing was a ruse LOL?!
Best,
Paul
"What will the que sell for (approximately)" PROVIDED it sells in the next month or two?
To me, for sake of argument, that seems roughly = the word "worth," i.e., for practical purposes.
Craigslist (used to?) have a 45 day policy for their ads, and it seems, to me (and maybe to a heck of alot of folks involved in craigslist?) that a month or two might be a "normal" or "fairly average amount" of time for someone sincerely wanting to make an average sale. So hang-the-9, I appreciate your feedback, and I'm ASSUMING you're saying something roughly like, "IF the cue sells - fairly soon - it might get around $250?" I'm surely not trying to twist anything around, just trying to get a handle on what one means, literally. I wouldn't be surprised (or shocked or whatever) if you're in the ballpark. Who - this month/year in Kansas City - has $600 (I think that was the asking price) to plunk down on a pool shooting implement?? Possible answer: the man who "appreciates artwork" isn't a rude statement methinks - and rather a fair one? Alternatively, if the seller sells it on Ebay, and can afford to WAIT 6-months or even a-year-or-two, is it a little more fair to say he might get MAYBE $100 or $200 more than that $250 (from a Joss fanatic or something)?
Here's an IMPORTANT QUESTION (in my mind) as well: what about the warranty? How much does a spotless, pretty darn new, craigslist cue (like this) LOOSE because a buyer gets no warranty? I mean couldn't (I guess) it LOOSES at least 10 or 20%? Maybe more?
Yes, the seller is shrewd, and maybe to a slight fault. ... I put another item yesterday or before up in the threads - which he had for sale - in my "Pool IN KC" tread I think it was called, and he seemed slightly reluctant to allow us to go back downstairs (where he has a really beautiful 8' table w/ inlays) and photograph the cue. Of course, I'd give anybody the benefit of the doubt, and maybe he wasn't reluctant at all, just pre-occupied, and it was my imagination, but I did have to ask twice, and politely, and my gut got an uneasy feeling for a spit second that I felt like I was nearly "begging" to simply photograph a Schon production cue. The seller, BTW is a very nice guy and I think he's probably offering several "somewhat fair buys" on several of his cues. ... He lost one of his best pool shooting buddies to cancer last year and has had some real difficulties with a slipshod contractor doing (one aspect only I think) a lousy job on an aspect of the remodel(s) on his home. So in fairness maybe he "won't get all he's asking out of these ques RIGHT AWAY." ... And he's suffered some "significant losses" recently, so maybe he'll come down - a smidgen - on the prices when the dust finally settles.
However, after that long expose' (sorry for my long-windedness) doesn't mean I wouldn't like to learn a bit more (about the pricing) on this cue and the other one I took photos of in my other thread!!! I'm appreciative of all that's been said from everybody here on the forum ... I'm grateful 100% for what seems, so far, like good ideas. ... I'm not wealthy and probably not going to spend more than around $250-300 - this year or even next - on a cue, and I probably prefer to KEEP any cue I purchase. ... I'm not at all opposed to a fancy, inlaid/decorative cue, but it must be worth "more as a shooter" than "as a looker" ... or else I'll regret it unless it had immediate re-sale value. ... Obviously I'm not a professional pool player, much less a hack looking to squeeze somebody, but I am looking for a -truly- "pretty durn good bargain" and I can wait a month or two or maybe even three or more if absolutely need be. Of course I'm slightly uncomfortable using a house cue (as I must at present) but may not ever shoot more than once a week 'till I find a "keeper" of a stick. Though it seems AzBilliards is a great forum, I'd prefer spend more time shooting pool (even if just scoping out better players than me!!) than at a keyboard on the internet ... "but it is-what-it-is" for the time being. ... Hope everybody's planning a Happy New Year ... I saw some advertising here at Side Pockets in Lenexa about a "New Years Party." I don't drink much at all so I'm reluctant - if half of everybody is totally stoned.
On another note: I was bored Sat night and looked at the Az forum, and it looked like some gal was "challenging" the gal that goes by "the black widow" (I think) to a $1000 match in Vegas for live video streaming (I think) ... and if that's really what was going on, it really was mesmerizing for me to "watch" (sort of?) --- a professional-calibur "mystery woman" challenging another (known) pro/woman --- as it was going down so-to-speak. I've yet to see anything like that crop up on an internet forum before now, and it was entertaining ... the "uniqueness" of two (pretty darn femininely it seems) pros "mildly going at it - in the build up to the so-called challenge" so to speak, and doing so "electronically" so to speak, or actually "Live, i.e., on the Internet as it unfolded." It was just something really entertaining (by COMPARISON I mean) and something I hadn't expected to see. You know, if pros did more of that (and I'm ignorant of 99.9% of professional pool) I can't help but wonder if it would "garner some significant interest." What I mean is: I'm a halfway decent recreational pool player, even though I could probably never enter a pro tourney no matter how much I practiced/learned, but that type of "hype" or "advertising" (if it's fair to call it that) seems actually pretty flippin' entertaining (to me - a total rookie/novice) because of the "TRUE spontaneity of 'natural-born-gamblers' who are 'callin' each other out'" just has a very high level of intrigue ... about 10,000X's as much as Duck Dynasty or whatever crap I might be payin' attention to, in the "universe of radio airwaves," which now technically applies to the internet as well, I suppose. I can't express how fascinating that was to see here on Az, and if it's "happening" here/elsewhere then I'd like to be clued in, so-to-speak. ... OTOH, if I'd been forewarned maybe the spontaneity-factor wouldn't exist. Hell, I dunno, maybe the whole thing was a ruse LOL?!
Best,
Paul
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Oh, OK.
I obviously wasn't totally aware of who was challenging who. Rats. I was sort of thinking it was involving really tip top pros. The odds of "Jenny Lee, not Jennette Lee" are pretty slight I spse so it's actually kinda funny that I read maybe more than was there.
But I AM still curious - it's kind of fascinating to see (or want to see in my case) the ideas behind ins-and-outs of big-time gamblers in a hand-eye sport - outside the confines of sanctioned tournaments I mean.
Probably why the Cincinnati Kid - a movie I really enjoyed - is popular but The Hustler (original film) was even more so? Honestly, I liked the Kid probably better, but only because the "drama" and "production" (and perhaps screenplay?) seemed really incredibly realistic? McQueen apparently actually DID the stunt where he jumps the tracks at the roundhouse which is pretty spectacular when you think about it. Great film and no special effects required. Maybe no surprise there?
Because I just have never "followed" pro pool whatsoever, but I can only imagine John McEnroe "challenging" Jimmy Connors (to name older tennis greats for instance) for $100,000 winner take all and loser looses his rump. To be honest, I think I might rather PREFER to see that than Us Open or Wimbledon or what not. I mean that takes some intestinal fortitude that a shared purse might not? If I'm makin' money on shoe deals (and basketball or whatever IS different since it's not nearly "gambling friendly for the teams anyway) then where's the ... well ... drama or cliffhanger or what not? I just mean that for somebody like me the world of pro (gambling) pool The Hustler is about as close as I'll get to seeing the real thing, and that makes me feel slightly "jipped" or whatever. I just find the (what extremely little I've read about) whole thing incredibly fascinating. But at least I've never been shot. So maybe it's a fair trade? But I saw the "Earl Strickland My Story" (I think it's called) and he offers a few insights, and those few (pretty skimpy) parts of the film tended to have me riveted (and surely I'm not the only one?) Pro boxing, is like that, "gambling/winner take all" even for the CONTESTANTS to a pretty big degree. And I suppose if I had a window into pro pool (gambling) I'd be likely to caught looking into that window (maybe?) more than tournaments. Hard to say. There ARE some very gifted athletes who have little or no interest in watching - from a perspective of "fan" or spectator - even their OWN sport. I have a good friend who was drafted (6'6" lefty pitcher) by Angles and Dodgers right out of high school. Hurt his back, bad, but an unbelievably talented basketball and baseball player. He almost never watches any sports at all, unless it's a championship game of our Alma matter (Rock Chalk Jayhawk hoops.) I mean he won't give a 5 minute look at even most championship games. "Who's playing?" is generally where the conversation starts/ends. But he loves to hunt buck (bow and rifle). For him, "doing" is pretty much always better than "watching." But he's good (almost phenomenal in many respects) at doing whatever he does, or simply won't do it, and furthermore, probably won't watch it. Me, and alot of folks it seems, like to watch (to a considerable extent) those top-flight guys "doing their thing" in sports we're pretty decent at. But not everybody apparently.
Best,
Paul
I obviously wasn't totally aware of who was challenging who. Rats. I was sort of thinking it was involving really tip top pros. The odds of "Jenny Lee, not Jennette Lee" are pretty slight I spse so it's actually kinda funny that I read maybe more than was there.
But I AM still curious - it's kind of fascinating to see (or want to see in my case) the ideas behind ins-and-outs of big-time gamblers in a hand-eye sport - outside the confines of sanctioned tournaments I mean.
Probably why the Cincinnati Kid - a movie I really enjoyed - is popular but The Hustler (original film) was even more so? Honestly, I liked the Kid probably better, but only because the "drama" and "production" (and perhaps screenplay?) seemed really incredibly realistic? McQueen apparently actually DID the stunt where he jumps the tracks at the roundhouse which is pretty spectacular when you think about it. Great film and no special effects required. Maybe no surprise there?
Because I just have never "followed" pro pool whatsoever, but I can only imagine John McEnroe "challenging" Jimmy Connors (to name older tennis greats for instance) for $100,000 winner take all and loser looses his rump. To be honest, I think I might rather PREFER to see that than Us Open or Wimbledon or what not. I mean that takes some intestinal fortitude that a shared purse might not? If I'm makin' money on shoe deals (and basketball or whatever IS different since it's not nearly "gambling friendly for the teams anyway) then where's the ... well ... drama or cliffhanger or what not? I just mean that for somebody like me the world of pro (gambling) pool The Hustler is about as close as I'll get to seeing the real thing, and that makes me feel slightly "jipped" or whatever. I just find the (what extremely little I've read about) whole thing incredibly fascinating. But at least I've never been shot. So maybe it's a fair trade? But I saw the "Earl Strickland My Story" (I think it's called) and he offers a few insights, and those few (pretty skimpy) parts of the film tended to have me riveted (and surely I'm not the only one?) Pro boxing, is like that, "gambling/winner take all" even for the CONTESTANTS to a pretty big degree. And I suppose if I had a window into pro pool (gambling) I'd be likely to caught looking into that window (maybe?) more than tournaments. Hard to say. There ARE some very gifted athletes who have little or no interest in watching - from a perspective of "fan" or spectator - even their OWN sport. I have a good friend who was drafted (6'6" lefty pitcher) by Angles and Dodgers right out of high school. Hurt his back, bad, but an unbelievably talented basketball and baseball player. He almost never watches any sports at all, unless it's a championship game of our Alma matter (Rock Chalk Jayhawk hoops.) I mean he won't give a 5 minute look at even most championship games. "Who's playing?" is generally where the conversation starts/ends. But he loves to hunt buck (bow and rifle). For him, "doing" is pretty much always better than "watching." But he's good (almost phenomenal in many respects) at doing whatever he does, or simply won't do it, and furthermore, probably won't watch it. Me, and alot of folks it seems, like to watch (to a considerable extent) those top-flight guys "doing their thing" in sports we're pretty decent at. But not everybody apparently.
Best,
Paul
One other small thing: my aunt & uncle are pretty heavy intellectuals and really nice gentle people. But they're kinda "down" on the fact that sometimes bigtime sports "drag" on the economy ($$$ stadiums) of SOME cities. But I feel this way (even though they're probably right in many deep ways): sports keeps people and communities together. God forbid some of these really aggressive and supremely skilled and talented males took their aggressions out in some "other" way. ... (Some do and the results are horrible and sad). And in the United States, 'cause that's where I'm at, I think that sport is really fantastic for race relations at least within and in analogous way outside the sports. I think it provides a chance for men (and women of course) to develop across the board respect they might not otherwise (at least as quickly) develop and offers personal bonds & friendships for folks that "look different" that otherwise might not crop up. IOW I think the "good" probably outweighs the "bad" if the bad is monies "wasted" somehow. I'm not heavily in favor of extravagance, and I don't even pretend to have any hard/fast answers to these deeper economic/societal questions, but the athletes themselves do seem to lead lives that are (perhaps?) more "beneficial" than might otherwise be. I know there are probably social arguments otherwise, but most pros do tend to SPEND money (in the community) on "stuff," and lots make BIG charitable contributions, true? I really don't have ANY answers, except "sport seems good."
Hey Paul,
Welcome to the forum. I'm not sure how this thread went from a question about buying an old Huebler to Jeanette Lee, and "The Hustler". If you need advice on buying a cue, there are plenty of people here to help out. I hope this doesn't come across in the wrong way, but you may find keeping your thread on topic will help you reach your end goal.
I hope you find what you are looking for on this forum. Whether it be general conversation, information on cues, or actually making a purchase, I'm sure you'll find what you want here. Have a great New Year!
Best of luck, Ian
Welcome to the forum. I'm not sure how this thread went from a question about buying an old Huebler to Jeanette Lee, and "The Hustler". If you need advice on buying a cue, there are plenty of people here to help out. I hope this doesn't come across in the wrong way, but you may find keeping your thread on topic will help you reach your end goal.
I hope you find what you are looking for on this forum. Whether it be general conversation, information on cues, or actually making a purchase, I'm sure you'll find what you want here. Have a great New Year!
Best of luck, Ian
Yes, I know that. W/o being too blunt, it adds, or detracts, about as much your comment(s). Doubly divine. I'm about as far from expert on these topics as a human being could be. If I kept it to some highly technical ... if I kept it as straight and narrow... to quote Wm Blake (roughly?): "Narrow roads lead to improvement, crooked ones to the palace of wisdom." If I'm mistaken in that, and you're recollection is more precise, then please advise. The advice I give anyone willing to listen: "Best to allow others the dignity of their own mistakes. Then maybe they'll thank you later. Odds are, they've probably recognized it before you." Generally, I prefer to correct others in person. Then they tend to grasp the exact gist (or the thrust if you will) of my own motivations, and can judge for themselves. Thus far, I've reads hundreds (if not thousands) of posts here, and could sharply criticize many a one, in some manner, given the time/inclination. The forum said "main" I think, and all in all I tried to stay in the main, and if I've strayed, then I trust I've strayed in good company. If my "observations" are "unworthy" of advice/consent, then I hope & trust that any expert on life and web forum commentary can judge for himself and quickly with the push of a button stray elsewhere him/or/herself. Would I put much faith in him or her anyhow? Hopefully, that comes across as rhetorical, and you'll get my drift.
Likewise, good luck to you, Ian.
If you are in the Kansas City area, go see Chuck Starkey. He has cues you can hit with, buy on the spot, or he will make you one.
It's your thread, do as you please...
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=342669&highlight=huebler
Here's a nice huebler that's been sold. IMO, Paul made nice stuff and his cues usually looked great.
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=342669&highlight=huebler
Here's a nice huebler that's been sold. IMO, Paul made nice stuff and his cues usually looked great.
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Seems fit...no eloquence escapes...not like I own the mo fo er sumpin bat still...
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Per Mr. Starky: where does one generally find him or look him up or what not?
You've yet to proffer any opinion on the two I've posted. An allegiance to Starky? Or just no opinion? Other? I don't guess much unless I'm guessin' I guess. ... said PM's were no offense. Then all the sudden Starky crops up. Hard to say. Not yet ready to dive in 'er get caught w/ pants down. I do appreciate the lead on Mr. Starky of course. One gentleman suggested the Joss was maybe double the asking price or better. Another said the Schon was quite a weapon. But I'm lean on comments on those two, and swear to jesus not prankin' around, and honest to God don't know how to value cues, esp. used. Honestly would be helpful for a couple other opinions on the two thus far, but I'm pretty patient beings the bankroll isn't too thick these days. No less, any help is better than none and most everything I'm hearin' thus far more or less makes decent sense. Man there's alot to learn an' I'd be the first to admit I've done some ramblin'.
Best,
Paul
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you should let PDX handle it
PDX is a pretty straight shooter on knowing his cues.
You should do exactly what he said or even see is he would help you.
You should give him full trust and just tell him what weight of cue you want,
post a thread in the for sale section and make everyone who offeres you a cue to only post the pictures public so PDX can view them and help you decide.
The only thought is some one may offer a cue and someone else may say they want it before you make up your mind.
I got 20 bucks says he will do You right.
MMike
PDX is a pretty straight shooter on knowing his cues.
You should do exactly what he said or even see is he would help you.
You should give him full trust and just tell him what weight of cue you want,
post a thread in the for sale section and make everyone who offeres you a cue to only post the pictures public so PDX can view them and help you decide.
The only thought is some one may offer a cue and someone else may say they want it before you make up your mind.
I got 20 bucks says he will do You right.
MMike
Almost forgot to mention I'd shot mainly with borrowed Hueblers (two I think) but newer than the sold one you've posted, and one of the two a very long while back. And somebody here in KC (if you saw my other thread) had posted a C-list Hueby that was pretty much like new but was asking $200 on a cue/case that maybe sold new for just barely that probably. My impression is that they may hit a little soft, but I might not notice it beings I'm not quite at that level. Way back when I had a Viking and it SEEMS that maybe it was firmer (maybe even in deflection?) but that's ancient history. I'm pretty much starting from scratch 'cause haven't owned a stick in years but I'm repeating myself maybe.
Thanks again for the heads up.
Thanks again for the heads up.
My apologies, I missed who Mr. PDX is? Or how I might approach him, although I'm kinda thinking PDX is maybe his handle here on the Az forum? Mike, you got my interest up, for sure, so I really might want to follow up. Heck, why wouldn't I spot you $20 on a game of 8-ball if you ARE right? ... MMike, it's good to hear from you, and might I mention your name if I figure out how, and get a chance to visit for a minute or two, with PDX?
Best,
Paul